The real rules are here guvnor' 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-registration-numbers-and-number-plates

Whose name should appear on the plate is still not crystal clear in that document...guvnor'

As you rightly say DVLA INF104 is not crystal clear either way whose name should be on the plate.  So in my case, the plates on my car generally carry my own name and postcode!  When I can be bothered to change them. Then I carry a copy of INF104 in the car in case of challenge.  Not been challenged at all, so far, in 6 years using that plan.

 

Conclusion: does anybody really care so long at the plate can be ANPR read, tracked and are camera legible?    

 

P.S. "guvnor" was a joke about www.gov.uk being less than clear about its own rules, having worked for many years with a cockney who referred to absolutely everyone as "guvnor".

Para 6 makes interesting reading, and I wonder how the internet suppliers issue plates without the required proof of identity and entitlement?

 

This might help on the naming issue:

http://www.newreg.co.uk/services/dvla_number_plates/acrylic_plate_designs

 

From here:

http://www.newreg.co.uk/services/dvla_number_plates

 

And the full Government legislation:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2001/561/contents/made

 

 

 

And no fish to fry, but we have got 2 nice pieces of local salmon for dinner tonight, together with some nice local new spuds!

I have just returned from Halfords (collecting a childs seat). Their LEGAL plates have nothing other than the BS code and the plate manufacturer in small text to the right lower. The manufacturer name was not Halfords so they must have licenced it out to another company. Unless it was the material/hardware supplier.

 

Who wants NewReg on the plate and the gov leg is again not clear on who's names.

 

My interpretation above is clearer.

Edited 7 June, 201412 yr by DonjSZ5

I am thinking these guys http://www.platesforcars.co.uk/designer.php#numberplates

Now having had a chance to look at what this outlet actually does, I'd agree - they appear to be compliant with both the letter (pun intended  ) and the spirit of the law (apart from the proof of entitlement bit - see below), for minimal replacement plates, not supplied by a car dealer.   Tiny lettering in lower right corner with just the plate maker's name, location and BS AU 145d. They're "Legal Guidelines" are also the most clear I've seen, including looking at DVLA and BS AU 145d itself. Trust the Irish to come up with a better explanation of English!

 

Still haven't found anything definitive, that says whether a honeycomb pattern in the overall reflective background is or is not legal? And have read a 2001 version of BS AU 145d itself. Can anyone update that?

Edited 7 June, 201412 yr by FlintstoneR1

Para 6 makes interesting reading, and I wonder how the internet suppliers issue plates without the required proof of identity and entitlement?

 

And no fish to fry, but we have got 2 nice pieces of local salmon for dinner tonight, together with some nice local new spuds!

With difficulty?   I think some get around it by saying they are supplying "Show Plates", albeit while providing options that allow you to create a plate otherwise identical in virtually every respect to a road-legal plate. Or by being based in Dublin and therefore outside the jurisdiction of UK legislation for the proof of identity and entitlement?  Perhaps?

 

Enjoy!  Nothing beats a chunk of fresh caught local salmon (in season of course), especially poached, with a bit of butter melted on.  Except perhaps a chunk of local fillet steak?  Surf & Turf therefore the perfect combination.  Mmmmmm!  Salivating at the thought.....

Edited 7 June, 201412 yr by FlintstoneR1

Sorry, but you can't beat a piece of River Cobbler (Catfish) or its full name Mekong River Delta Basa (Pangasius bocourti) lovely jubbly

You've obviously never tried our fresh local salmon, Don.

Sorry, but you can't beat a piece of River Cobbler (Catfish) or its full name Mekong River Delta Basa (Pangasius bocourti) lovely jubbly

 

All that fish gave me some brain energy so I scrolled and read the legislation for a new car after 2001,

 

2001 No 561

Schedule 2, Part 1.

VEHICLES REGISTERED AND NEW REGISTRATION PLATES FITTED ON OR AFTER 1ST

SEPTEMBER 2001 (MANDATORY SPECIFICATION)

1. The plate must be made of retroreflecting material which, as regards its construction, colour and

other qualities, complies with the requirements of—

(a) the British Standard specification for retroreflecting number plates published on 15 January

1998 under number BS AU 145d(a), or

(any other relevant standard or specification recognised for use in an EEA State and which, when

in use, offers a performance equivalent to that offered by a plate complying with the British

Standard specification,

and which, in either case, is marked with the number (or such other information as is necessary to permit

identification) of that standard or specification.

2. Where the registration mark is displayed on the front of the vehicle, it must have black characters

on a white background.

3. Where the registration mark is displayed on the back of the vehicle, it must have black characters

on a yellow background.

end of Shedule

 

This is all plain and crystal clear.

There are 3 main requirements.

1. BS AU 145 d(a). There is no requirement for the makers name. I would think that proof of manufacturer could be a letter of conformity from the supplier.

2. Front Black on White

3. Rera Black on Yellow.

All other wording in the legislation relates to different years i.e. character font & size, materials, motor cycles, fixing, use of bolts, lighting and the plate size.

 

PS. My dealer has advised me that I may supply my own plates so long as they conform to the legal standard :clap: 

Edited 7 June, 201412 yr by DonjSZ5

Plates for Cars it is then?

 

Re. "I would think that proof of manufacturer could be a letter of conformity from the supplier." 

In six years running a BMW on internet supplied plates and 5 MOTs, no-one at all ever asked me to prove they were made to BS AU 145d.  The anoraks (like the three of us in this thread?  ) can mostly tell that just by looking at them (right colours, right fonts, right sizes, right messaging on base.

 

I'd look at it this way: if you were not buying new from a dealer, but second hand from a private seller (like me  ), then there would be no "supplying outlet" or dealer supplying the car. Therefore no need to have their name on the plate. Methinks that's why many dealers put their advertising name on the optional surround, rather than on the plate itself. That way they can get away with larger lettering and a wider message than BS AU 145d stipulates - like on the photo in #17

 

All that notwithstanding, I do feel that dealers advertising themselves on the base of number plates is less obtrusive than the practice that seems to be common in North America, of separate badge of their own on the boot (sorry "trunk") lid.

 

I recall a story a few years back, of one of the bigger UK-based truck operators (no not Stobarts) who wanted to charge the truck manufacturers an annual fee for carrying their brand name on the front of the trucks he'd bought from them. When they refused, he removed the badges and makers names off the relevant trucks, and replaced them with his own!  

 

I've still got the "supplying outlet" advertised on both the front & rear plates plus the rear window sticker of my Yeti mind, 'cos they were a reasonably good bunch of Independent Skoda specialists to deal with - and when it does come up to be replaced with another - I'll be wanting another good deal from them!  So everyone can currently see my Yeti came from "Brookroyd Garage".

 

Scandinavian meatballs and pasta for me tonight!  (I know how to live well!  )  Just as well then I had a very nice 3-course last night at my Lodge evening....   

Edited 7 June, 201412 yr by FlintstoneR1

I hate giving free adverts to car dealers via number plates. They never ask permission or offer a fee.  Now as a Yorkshireman, how does £?............sound!

The Specialist I got mine from DID ask permission for both the sticker and the plates as it happens......   He's from Harrogate.

Edited 7 June, 201412 yr by FlintstoneR1

Still haven't found anything definitive, that says whether a honeycomb pattern in the overall reflective background is or is not legal? And have read a 2001 version of BS AU 145d itself. Can anyone update that?

 

A honeycomb pattern is no longer legal on new plates or vehicles after a certain year.

My N reg motor bike has honeycomb plate that's been on from new but is still legal but I can't replace it.

Also the overall size of a plate only needs a top, bottom and side margins of 11mm. so if you have a plate that is just No 1 the plate size could be just 101mm high by 34mm wide.

Mini Survey,

 

Please can a few of you guys measure the plate screw centres in the front bumper and rear boot lid and tell me the pitch.

 

If I can get a few replies and some are the same, I can assume those to be the pre-drilled holes in the bumper and lid.

 

As an afterthought I watched the youtube production line video and the 'complete' car coming off the line appears not to have holes.

 

thanks

Edited 8 June, 201412 yr by DonjSZ5

Front 490mm

Rear 270mm

(centre to centre)

Mini Survey,

Please can a few of you guys measure the plate screw centres in the front bumper and rear boot lid and tell me the pitch.

If I can get a few replies and some are the same, I can assume those to be the pre-drilled holes in the bumper and lid.

As an afterthought I watched the youtube production line video and the 'complete' car coming off the line appears not to have holes.

thanks

My second Yeti pre f/L came off the transporter with pre drilled and sleeved holes so I assume these were factory fitted.

270 front & rear

Front 460mm - well towards the outer ends of the plate.

 

Rear 275mm - just to be different. I did double check this!  That's if the dome caps are central to the screw heads they cover? I guess 270 is a possibility if the caps are a touch offset? 

Front - 430mm

Rear - 273mm

This is on a F/L Elegance Outdoor.