Hi, I took some time to compare like-for-like prices from several countries for a Skoda Rapid Spaceback SE Tech 1.6CR 90bhp in metallic silver, with Greentec, climate control, cruise control, full sized spare, various storage packs and a bunch of other options. Prices are after subtracting local taxes and adding UK ones, i.e. for a personal import car (I have done it before).

 

Ireland:   £15563

Belgium: £15120

Poland:  £14496

UK:         £19225, or 28% higher

 

When I say like for like, I mean equally specced cars, every car I specced abroad had same paint/upholstery, same options, same drivetrain/brakes/wheels as the UK one.

For cars abroad, I also added a Rough Road Package (sadly not available in the UK). You can verify prices, just remember to adjust them for Irish and Belgian car tax that is not paid for exported cars, and higher Irish and , Polish price has only VAT on top so all you need after configuration is to convert currency at 5.25/pound.

 

You can clearly see that SUK is ripping us off, the salesman's margin on the Spaceback is in excess of 40% (in other countries there is at least 12% margin on a new car list price). It would be interesting to compare other cars in skoda Range on this, but I suspect Rapid/Spaceback suffers most.

 

Why do we have to suffer this ripoff Britain attitude? And why do we have to suffer the limited options list (almost full pick and mix in other countries)?    :wonder:

Edited 7 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

Well you've been banging on about the pricing of the Rapid over here and how it compares tothe continental pricing since its launch. If Skoda haven't got your message by now then I guess they aren't going to reconsider the models rrp's! I'm guessing that if you bought in the Poland then ou wouldn't get a £4,000 discount which is currently achievable over here - which to me, means the discussion is a non issue.

Where is this £4000 discount available? Please name dealership?

Because last time I went and discussed private cash purchase pricing, the discounts on offer were in 10% range.

 

Also, given the tone of your post, how about full disclosure? I am a prospective private cash new Skoda car buyer (bought 3 new Skodas to date), and you are? A company car owner, or a dealership salesman perhaps?

 

Other forum users and prospective UK Rapid Spaceback buyers have the right to know how much they are about to be ripped off when discussing prices. We are not all sheep ready for slaughter you know.

Edited 7 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

Would agree the price for Skoda's in the UK has gone up considerably over the last few years, probably way ahead of inflation. Plus the lack of access to all the available options is very poor compared to other EU countries; a Spaceback with RRP would have been ideal for me but SUK obviously have no idea what it's like to live in the proper countryside.

 

What happened to this supposed 'common market', obviously SUK doesn't believe it applies to cars  :wonder: 

 

Anyway you can get the price down by shopping around, or catching a dealer at the right moment who's looking to shift 'older' showroom stock; got a very good deal on mine, paying only a couple of hundred more than the forecourt price of the ex demo diesel I originally went to look at.

 

 

TP

Steady now fella - me, a dealer?!   :no:    No, Im just an average punter with a decent knowledge of the marketplace. Despite your inference above, there is no cloak and dagger mystery to the pricing, just look at any UK broker for decent discounts - its really not rocket science.

 

I only mentioned that you'd been banging on about Rapid pricing in the UK compared to the continent for ages as.... you've been banging on about Rapid pricing in the UK compared to the continent for ages.   Your post seemed to suggest it was a new discovery for you. Rapid pricing and fuel tank range, there's plenty of previous examples of you mentioning this pricing 'issue' and doing the cost comparisons.

 

April 2013 - dieselV6 "What I find quite amazing is that allegedly Skoda car buyers are repeatedly posting on how high prices are justified. Are you paying for your cars? I do, and the extortionate SUK pricing against the background of other countries is to me another classic example of ripoff Britain. Do you really enjoy spending more money than needed? Wouldn't it be better to get the same car at a lower price and give the difference to a charity of your choice?

J400uk, as I explained earlier, try looking at the new Roomster, not old one when comparing platforms, the differences Roomster to Rapid are half a version (not even one version) of new Polo in front, so a quarter version in total . VW Golf has long been known as an example of the biggest ripoff in UK VW car range, though I think Rapid topped that. As a prospective Skoda customer, you should be interested in not being ripped off, shouldn't you?

Yes, it is clear more people will like Rapid shape, I would not mind it too given the right engine as I still think Mk1 Octy was the king of family cars, but Rapid is not worth 30% extra premium over Roomster and looking at the slow sales, I am not alone in thinking this. I made this point once in this thread, why not just accept it and stop writing factless posts full of personal hatred, then complain that the thread goes off topic.

Finally, all these suggestions to haggle, perhaps you are very successfull hagglers but as one or two other posters in this thread already mentioned, I find that salesmen are reluctant to offer 10%+ discounts to me on factory orders, and therefore prefer transparent pricing, or 0% VAT offer. Then I can simply pick the options and place the order without much haggling. As most people would prefer.

2.0CR 125bhp+ Rapid in either silver or the new blue (gorgeous) for me please, and I will happily pay even 15% over the Czech price, just not the 25%-43% theft  "

 

 

July 2013 - dieselV6

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List prices in Ireland have 23% VAT vs 20% VAT you pay in the UK, and another 25% car tax on top that you do not have to pay if you export the car to the UK.

 

So your "£18692" is actually £18692 * 1.2/(1.23*1.25)  = £14589 to be paid after UK VAT. The UK price is £16100 as you stated, so SUK overcharges by 10% on this particular option free model. Actually it is the Rapid options SUK tries to make the main killing on.

 

For 1.6CR Elegance Rapid kitted out with heated seats and other options I'd like to get at some point in future, the total Irish price incl. options (metallic paint, climate control, spare, heated seats and a few other gizmos) works out to £16315, while the UK price is £17850+£1490 in options = £19340.

 

£19340 / £16315 = 1.1854, so yes the SUK Rapid is very nearly 20% overpriced, even at current pathetic exchange rate.

 

You can check against other countries, it can work out to even larger difference, at some point it was 40% on some models when compared to source country. I very much prefer transparent pricing with reasonable margins and no third world haggling, if you'd rather be at the mercy of the stealers, it's your choice."

 

March 2013 - dieselV6

 

"I saw the Rapid in detail too, and while waaay overpriced in the UK, it can offer 90% of the Octavia experience for a lot less money if you import it at a 25%+ discount, and a diesel Rapid will have 30% more range on account of 55l stock/64l vented fuel tank and slightly lower weight than the Octavia. Less expensive to maintain too. Driver position not as comfortable as the Octy, but can be addressed just as with Mk1 Octy/Superb by tilting the front of the seat up (metal plate fabrication needed). Rear legroom is sufficient, I think thinner seats in the Rapid made it posssible to rival the Octavia 3 for legroom. It is narrower than the Octy 3, but I view it as a bonus (motorway roadworks, single lane traffic etc).
 

March 2013 - dieselV6 "I actually like the idea of the Rapid, a bit budget but simple to maintain, but at European prices (ie 20%-40% below UK levels). If they ever make one with 2.0CR engine (Rapid vRS?), I will be strongly looking into it.

But I'd never buy a Rapid on current UK list prices, even with £1500 off finance offers. It still works out 20% more expensive than the Roomster (and is of comparable quality/space). Plus when you price up the "full gadgets" version, you'll find that a similarly equipped Superb can be had for 15%-20% more... which tells you just to what extent SUK Rapid pricing is crazy."

 

"The problem is SUK put 40% higher price than Czech Republic pricing, Rapid does sell well in Czech Republic,

Even in Germany, the Rapid is 6% less expensive than in the UK, where typically all previous basic level Skodas were 10%+ more expensive than in the UK."

 

February 2013 - dieselV6 "Nothing strange, the Rapid could be a good budget "fit all purposes" car, if SUK got the pricing right and/or put the right engines into it. Abroad at least the pricing is right if not the engines."
 

Yes, I wrote all these, because I actually would like to go to a UK dealership and order a factory order at a normal price, not at a ripoff price. So do quite a few other private cash buyers. For a few months in 2012 (0% VAT option) it was possible for the Roomster and I bought it. So I'd say I put my money where my words are.

 

The sole reason for today's post is that I re-checked the pricing after a year, and it got worse for Rapid Spaceback, not better. 

 

Funny how many posts talk about these massive discounts, but when it comes to ordering factory new car (not on forecourt/already on order) with a long list of options, the only brokers offering good prices are the ones who import the cars from Europe. Not much different from private import then, other than the extra £400-£500 you leave at the broker.

 

Irish cars, after adding options present in the UK, only require speedo in miles to conform to full UK spec and be registered as a new UK car. Import process cost me 3 phone calls and 1 day + ferry/fuel, well under £200 per 2 Skodas I imported from Ireland (Mk1 Octy and Superb).

 

Once again, would you care to point me to a dealer/broker that offers SUK ordered car at £15k-ish prices including at the very least all options I mentioned in the original post?

Edited 7 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

There is nothing to stop anyone in the UK going to Ireland/Poland or even Belgium and ordering a RHD UK spec car, a few years ago it was common place. My Audi originated from Continental cars in Malta, but was never registered there, its a UK spec car first registered and used in the UK.

No problems with having work carried out, its just had an Audi UK recall completed without any problem.

Well pricing up a Spaceback Elegance (yes I know it's discontinued) it's the nearest to what you want with the major options you say, greentech, cruise, climate, spare wheel and even bunging in a sat nav I can only get it to a tad over £16k OTR (not including the bunch of other options, I don't know what they are)  it's not bad and closer to the Irish car.

 

Where?

 

Carfile.net

 

Ok not a direct dealer purchase (well it is really) but have you tried them.

Most of the brokers will be dealing with dealers that can offer many thousands off the rrp - a greentech 1.6 SE comes in at £14.6k at the first one I tried - dtd but they all seem to discount the model fairly well. Take the price to a dealer for a price match if you are insistent on wanting to deal that way but either way it will be a uk car (as supplied by all the biggest UK car brokers nowadays) delivered to you by a Skoda dealer.

There is nothing to stop anyone in the UK going to Ireland/Poland or even Belgium and ordering a RHD UK spec car, a few years ago it was common place. My Audi originated from Continental cars in Malta, but was never registered there, its a UK spec car first registered and used in the UK.

No problems with having work carried out, its just had an Audi UK recall completed without any problem.

 

Agreed, hence my post, I also imported 2 Skodas from Ireland in the past (though for reasons of limited UK options list rather than price), but later on, at least one UK dealership's attitude to warranty work afterwards was shocking (door microswitch replacement on Mk1 Octy).

 

Getting the car for similar price as in Europe (I could stand up to £1k on top, just not £4k) from the dealer and without haggling would be preferred, especially in cases of serious warranty work (such as engine block replacement on my Roomster).

 

Well pricing up a Spaceback Elegance (yes I know it's discontinued) it's the nearest to what you want with the major options you say, greentech, cruise, climate, spare wheel and even bunging in a sat nav I can only get it to a tad over £16k OTR (not including the bunch of other options, I don't know what they are)  it's not bad and closer to the Irish car.

 

Where?

 

Carfile.net

 

Ok not a direct dealer purchase (well it is really) but have you tried them.

 

Most of the brokers will be dealing with dealers that can offer many thousands off the rrp - a greentech 1.6 SE comes in at £14.6k at the first one I tried - dtd but they all seem to discount the model fairly well. Take the price to a dealer for a price match if you are insistent on wanting to deal that way but either way it will be a uk car (as supplied by all the biggest UK car brokers nowadays) delivered to you by a Skoda dealer.

 

You are right in that it will be a car supplied by UK car broker, but many/most are imported from another country then registered in the UK, private import is better in my opinion, as you can add options not available in the UK (such as the extremely useful Rough Road Package). I agree a broker is a possible route, but the question still remains why the UK has to be different to rest of Europe in that SUK is taking liberties with list pricing. Or with the timing belt servicing for that matter. Life would be much easier if we could just go to UK dealer, specc up the car and pay £15k-£16k price on collection, with haggling limited to shape of alloys or extra boot carpet. 

 

By the way, carfile price for the spec I compared would be £17374.30 which is a 10% discount consistent with my experience in the UK.  I'd rather import the car myself when the time comes (if SUK keeps up insane pricing).

The config I selected to get this price:

Skoda Rapid Spaceback Diesel Hatchback 1.6 TDI CR 90 GreenTech SE 5dr    On The Road Price £17374.30

Options:

Sunset glass from b-pillar back £178.00

Floor mats £66.75

Rear parking distance sensor £467.25

Body colour door mirrors No Cost

Body coloured side protection mouldings £66.75

Metallic paint £467.25

Front fog lights No Cost

Climate control air conditioning £267.00

Boot net £89.00

Driver's and passenger's door armrests No Cost

Rear centre armrest with 2 cupholders storage £155.75

Alarm pack B with uprated 95Ah battery - Transporter £66.75

Metallic - Brilliant silver £467.25

Heated front seats with heated nozzles £178.00

Height adjustable passenger seat £133.50

Third rear headrest £62.30

Cloth - Onyx No Cost

15" Carme alloy wheels No Cost

Space saver spare wheel £66.75

Edited 7 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

 

 

 

You are right in that it will be a car supplied by UK car broker, but many/most are imported from another country then registered in the UK

incorrect. The six biggest UK brokers only supply uk cars sourced via uk dealers.

Not the ones at prices anywhere close to the Continent prices. As the carfile example quote has shown, UK sourced car will not be discounted anywhere near the price difference UK-Europe. There are a few brokers who offer imports, but they charge £500 - £1500 for the privilege and limit option list to UK options only. IMHO if you do import, it is better to do it yourself as you can add things like Rough Road Package and factory xenons, Ireland being least risky and most convenient (just remember to specify speedo in miles).

Edited 7 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

incorrect. The six biggest UK brokers only supply uk cars sourced via uk dealers.

I'll just re quote my last post and leave this post there, as its correct and is relevant to the six bigget brokers based in the uk offering the largest discount on the vehicle that I've found in the last few months.

Yeti_Man, in as much as you try to disprove the facts I posted, please do show us a UK sourcing broker that can provide the configuration stated above for under £16k, still allowing for a decent profit to the dealer, just not allowing for excessive theft from private buyer's pocket. You mentioned huge discounts, we really want to take advantage of them, so where are they?

Here is another price for you, ukcarbroker.co.uk for £16928.91. nothing like £15k+-£500 in Europe incl Ireland.

What price do you get offered through carwow?

Total RRP £18,510, will post if I receive any emails with lower price, but I'm not holding my breath...

Edited 7 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

 

Agreed, hence my post, I also imported 2 Skodas from Ireland in the past (though for reasons of limited UK options list rather than price), but later on, at least one UK dealership's attitude to warranty work afterwards was shocking (door microswitch replacement on Mk1 Octy).

 

Getting the car for similar price as in Europe (I could stand up to £1k on top, just not £4k) from the dealer and without haggling would be preferred, especially in cases of serious warranty work (such as engine block replacement on my Roomster).

 

 

 

You are right in that it will be a car supplied by UK car broker, but many/most are imported from another country then registered in the UK, private import is better in my opinion, as you can add options not available in the UK (such as the extremely useful Rough Road Package). I agree a broker is a possible route, but the question still remains why the UK has to be different to rest of Europe in that SUK is taking liberties with list pricing. Or with the timing belt servicing for that matter. Life would be much easier if we could just go to UK dealer, specc up the car and pay £15k-£16k price on collection, with haggling limited to shape of alloys or extra boot carpet. 

 

By the way, carfile price for the spec I compared would be £17374.30 which is a 10% discount consistent with my experience in the UK.  I'd rather import the car myself when the time comes (if SUK keeps up insane pricing).

The config I selected to get this price:

Skoda Rapid Spaceback Diesel Hatchback 1.6 TDI CR 90 GreenTech SE 5dr    On The Road Price £17374.30

Options:

Sunset glass from b-pillar back £178.00

Floor mats £66.75

Rear parking distance sensor £467.25

Body colour door mirrors No Cost

Body coloured side protection mouldings £66.75

Metallic paint £467.25

Front fog lights No Cost

Climate control air conditioning £267.00

Boot net £89.00

Driver's and passenger's door armrests No Cost

Rear centre armrest with 2 cupholders storage £155.75

Alarm pack B with uprated 95Ah battery - Transporter £66.75

Metallic - Brilliant silver £467.25

Heated front seats with heated nozzles £178.00

Height adjustable passenger seat £133.50

Third rear headrest £62.30

Cloth - Onyx No Cost

15" Carme alloy wheels No Cost

Space saver spare wheel £66.75

 

 

Bit confused by this post, as you cannot factory order a UK Spaceback SE now due to it being superseded by the better equipped but same price SE Tech, plus some of the options listed are standard anyway :wonder:

 

 

TP

Bit confused by this post, as you cannot factory order a UK Spaceback SE now due to it being superseded by the better equipped but same price SE Tech, plus some of the options listed are standard anyway :wonder:

 

 

TP

Same conclusion I came to. I just wasn't going to waste any further time in teaching granny how to suck eggs.

This is printout from carfile site that MickA suggested following my original post, if you actually did make any effort at all into checking these prices, you would see that I was configuring SE Tech, and I certainly did select SE Tech on every car configurator website for the countries I listed. But do not trust me on this one, configure the car containing the above options yourself and report to us with the prices please. And yes, some of the options listed are standard in the UK, but not in other countries, that is why they are mentioned, rest assured I only compared the cars specced to contain all options listed above.

 

I still have not received any links from you pointing to £4000 discount on the Rapid spec I quoted, or even £3000 discount for that matter. How about staying on topic for once and proving that you indeed can provide other forum users with useful information rather than whitewash? Because it strongly seems that all you are doing is trying to discredit the numbers and/or the poster, ignoring the facts altogether.

 

You still have not clarified if you are paying for the cars you drive, or if these are company cars. I can assure you that 30% ripoff is felt much more when you are spending your own money. £4000 buys a lot of fuel and mods for the car.  Frankly, if you like paying £19k for a £15k car perhaps you should post in more appropriate forum, e.g. Audi, BMW or Mercedes.  Skodas are still about value for money, at least in most countries. In the UK however, it seems that anything goes. Ripoff Britain.

Edited 8 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

I did get some quotes from Carwow (proper Skoda dealers) when I was looking at a Spaceback and they all came back with some very good discounts (yes, in the region of £3-4k)

 

There does seem to be a lot of margin in the Rapid, which then enables dealers to discount heavily and/or Skoda UK to offer promotions.

 

That's just the way it is nowadays. Everyone does it; ie. DFS constant sales "ends today, new one starts tomorrow", all clothes shops I walk past seem to have sales banners in the windows permanently, most chain restaurants have money off coupons available online but the menu prices are pretty expensive. People like to feel they can negotiate a deal, it's all part of the game.

This is printout from carfile site that MickA suggested following my original post, if you actually did make any effort at all into checking these prices, you would see that I was configuring SE Tech, and I certainly did select SE Tech on every car configurator website for the countries I listed. But do not trust me on this one, configure the car containing the above options yourself and report to us with the prices please. And yes, some of the options listed are standard in the UK, but not in other countries, that is why they are mentioned, rest assured I only compared the cars specced to contain all options listed above.

 

I still have not received any links from you pointing to £4000 discount on the Rapid spec I quoted, or even £3000 discount for that matter. How about staying on topic for once and proving that you indeed can provide other forum users with useful information rather than whitewash? Because it strongly seems that all you are doing is trying to discredit the numbers and/or the poster, ignoring the facts altogether.

 

You still have not clarified if you are paying for the cars you drive, or if these are company cars. I can assure you that 30% ripoff is felt much more when you are spending your own money. £4000 buys a lot of fuel and mods for the car.  Frankly, if you like paying £19k for a £15k car perhaps you should post in more appropriate forum, e.g. Audi, BMW or Mercedes.  Skodas are still about value for money, at least in most countries. In the UK however, it seems that anything goes. Ripoff Britain.

If any of that is for my attention then I pointed you to Dtd over 10 posts ago... saving a good few thousand over the rrp prices you were quoting. Totally unsure of who gave you the right to demand to know peoples personal circumstances ie how I pay for my own cars - frankly, its none of your business but they are bought with my own hard earned cash! (IF you'd bothered to look at my posts signature you'd come to the conclusion that its not a company car pretty quickly!

 

At the end of the day, I just simply don't understand why, years later in fact, you are still going on about the same things. First it was that no new Skoda had a fuel tank big enough to make it through Europe on a single fill up....   then it was the UK pricing of the Rapid. Why keep bringing it up as if its new news?! There's half a dozen cars that I would like but are drastically cheaper in countries where friends and family reside but I realise I'm either going to have to stump up the funds here and purchase a UK spec/version or do something along the lines of importing. Simple as that. I don't continuously make statements in (sometimes) totally irrelevant threads (Octavia and Roomster ones for example) about the way we are getting ripped off over the cost of a Skoda Rapid and keep saying peoples posts are irrelevant and off topic (when they are very much discussing the very same thing you are talking about!). Get over it and move on. Life is far too short.

 

edit - ps I wont see your future posts from now on but I wish you the best of luck with securing that Czech matched price from the local dealer.

Looks like Yeti Man decided to quit the thread with another off-topic post, evidently being unable to provide any factual information on pricing, rather than gossip/whitewash. Shame, because I could use a long-term source of reasonable Skoda car prices. I agree that life is too short, so I'd rather spend the £3k-£4k price differential e.g. on my family's holiday than on some SUK's salesman's / manager's holiday.

 

I agree with your comment RapidRonnie, however us private car buyers would all be better off if there was transparency to the car business in the UK.

You do not ask for discounts buying bread at a supermarket, the price you see on the label is the price you pay. Just because "everyone does it", does not mean that putting up ridiculous list prices is the right thing to do. Ford does the same, does not make it right.

 

I received 1 quote from carwow so far, but while quoting 16.2k, it missed the spare (tyre inflation kit), so it's actually £16275. Still over £16k and still 5% over the no discount, immediate order Irish export price for the same car, and of course without the Rough Road Package (come on SUK, have your pricing managers driven in the countryside recently? ).  It is also from a nearby dealership that broke my Mk1 Octavia's engine 8 years ago, and hasn't had any better reviews since. 

 

Frankly, I could live with this kind of price if the UK options list was aligned to the rest of countries in Europe, or at the very least with Irish options list. Irish cars are RHD with just speedo dial in km instead of miles, these are pretty much same cars as in the UK, so why deny the Rough Road Package in the UK, for example?

Edited 8 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

So you *are* getting big discounts from CarWow as suggested. Wait and see what else you get offered and report back.

Because of differences in taxation and local economies you can't just make a like for like comparison with an overseas car, and even if you do get one slightly cheaper you'll likely lose that at resale time unless you plan on running it in to the ground.

 

Anyway, surely the more important comparison for whether the Rapid is overpriced isn't with foreign countries, but with whatever else you can buy from a UK dealer.
How does the realistically discounted Rapid compare to other mid-range cars from different manufacturers?

 

I have now received an offer through carwow that is in line with European prices, actually pretty good at £14500 (though missing spare again). So thanks Dr Zoidberg for the link. When I need it in the future, I will use it, and rest assured if I get anything like that quote, the next Skoda I buy is very likely to be UK sourced, either a Rapid Spaceback, or a Mk3 Superb (if it comes in the shape and with the engines currently reported, for a sensible price comparable to abroad). I still disagree with the sales model based on ripping off people who do not haggle, very 3rd world attitude. Transparent pricing works best for the society, though probably far worse for selected members of society.

 

It still leaves some questions open: why can we not have the full options list in the UK, i.e. at the very least same options as in Ireland (Europe also throws in factory xenons onto the list)? It took 6-8 years for SUK to offer Rough Road Package on any model (Octavia Scout initially), and it still is available on very selected  models. It has been a EUR200ish option elsewhere for many, many years, and it mostly means a bunch of toughened underbody covers nowadays. The option is widely offered across Europe, so clearly not upsetting VW/Audi, parts are available on SUK ordering system, so why not offer Rough Road Package as an option on all Skodas in the UK?

 

And finally, why is the SUK's Rapid RRP list pure fiction, even when compared to other Skoda cars in UK range? Surely it must be turning off prospective buyers (it certainly made me look abroad)? Or are the high Rapid prices there to make Mk3 Octavia's price look good to company car buyers? Or is it to make Fabia look less expensive? Quite a mystery, as the list prices for rest of the range are not as much inflated compared to Europe.

Edited 8 September, 201411 yr by dieselV6

I have now received an offer through carwow that is in line with European prices, actually pretty good at £14500 (though missing spare again).

And finally, why is the SUK's Rapid RRP list pure fiction, even when compared to other Skoda cars in UK range? Surely it must be turning off prospective buyers (it certainly made me look abroad)?

 

a] thought you might, and b] because for a lot of customers, an £18k car with £3.5k discount sounds like a much better buy than a £14.5k car.