Can i ask seriously.

If you were to floor it and take it to twice the UK Motorway National Speed limit, if there some lag or flat spot that you think 

needs doing away with?

Is it lacking when climbing or the likes?

Can i ask seriously.

If you were to floor it and take it to twice the UK Motorway National Speed limit, if there some lag or flat spot that you think

needs doing away with?

Is it lacking when climbing or the likes?

I know where you're coming from

But a nice smooth progressive torque curve is lovely, isnt it.

Not practical having it all come in one lump?

Can i ask seriously.

If you were to floor it and take it to twice the UK Motorway National Speed limit, if there some lag or flat spot that you think

needs doing away with?

Is it lacking when climbing or the likes?

George, you can always improve something, no matter how small. Being able to accelerate just that bit quicker is part of that definition for many car enthusiasts, providing you're not greedy and take a hacksaw to the finessed dynamic balance, after all quick isn't always fun. It's how you get there, not where you get to.

So the question is,  have you yet been able to use more than half the potential performance of your new car,?

because i know without any effort they get to double the UK NSL, and the pace within the NSL's accelerating can take your breath away.

 

Modifying is all good fun and manys hobby and interest, 

but in all truth in the UK for Daily Drivers vehicles with 150 bhp /tonne or greater are pretty quick.

& as we know 

100 bhp per tonne or less can still provide fun.

So the question is, have you yet been able to use more than half the potential performance of your new car,?

because i know without any effort they get to double the UK NSL, and the pace within the NSL's accelerating can take your breath away.

Modifying is all good fun and manys hobby and interest,

but in all truth in the UK for Daily Drivers vehicles with 150 bhp /tonne or greater are pretty quick.

& as we know

100 bhp per tonne or less can still provide fun.

Its a myth that you cant reach a cars potential on the road

Of a 280 PS car within the 70 or 60 mph speed limits in the UK?

 

I know you can reach or pass the Handling and Traction potential, but exploit the Engines Potential?

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Of a 280 PS car within the 70 or 60 mph speed limits in the UK?

I know you can reach or pass the Handling and Traction potential, but exploit the Engines Potential?

Its all about the acceleration, for me. I'm not too interested in going absolutely flat out.

However. How can i put this. I've seen speed limits being disobeyed on local, quiet roads.

Wee rascals and cheeky monkeys!!

So the question is,  have you yet been able to use more than half the potential performance of your new car,?

because i know without any effort they get to double the UK NSL, and the pace within the NSL's accelerating can take your breath away.

 

Modifying is all good fun and manys hobby and interest, 

but in all truth in the UK for Daily Drivers vehicles with 150 bhp /tonne or greater are pretty quick.

& as we know 

100 bhp per tonne or less can still provide fun.

Well, here's the thing. More torque means greater acceleration, and since my commute to North Yorks takes me up along the coast of west wales then across the middle to the M56, there's a lot of A road with attendant elderly / trucks etc preventing one from making good progress (and no I don't mean silly speeds, most of the time 60, maybe occasionally slightly higher, but whilst I'm not a member anymore I've done the IAM course so stupidity is off the menu). Greater accelerations means being able to pass said moving road blocks more quickly and more safely and more frequently. Result is I get home earlier and less stressed. Yes, it's quick, but hell it's not THAT quick George!

 

WRT to its potential, Vmax is a fairly insignificant criteria anyway. There are more interesting boundaries to be explored.

You should have maybe tried a 1390 cc Petrol Twincharger with only 180ps,  

about the same weight as the Leon and an overtaking champion.

 

I did find the Cupra 280 to be about as quick for overtakes.

 

Maybe once your car is run in then.

You should have maybe tried a 1390 cc Petrol Twincharger with only 180ps,

about the same weight as the Leon and an overtaking champion.

I did find the Cupra 280 to be about as quick for overtakes.

Maybe once your car is run in then.

Really?

The 180ps vrs is as quick as a 280ps leon for overtakes?

Woulda thought the leon would blow it out the water?

Yes,  30 - 60,   30 - 70.  maybe to 80.  they actually are possibly quicker on the road,

that is the benefit of a Supercharger & Turbo Charger below 3,500 rpm 

and Turbo only from 3,500 rpm & a 7 Speed DSG.

 

Pretty much the same overtaking speeds with the 1.4 Twincharger as with a VW Golf MK5 GTI Edition 30 DSG.

Quicker 50-70 in the tiddler.

(just happens with no dramas,  well apart from cr4p standard fit brakes & tyres, and not the best of engine braking, if you need to get slowed quickly.)

 

I have been looking at getting a Leon 280 since they were available, 

and driven a few, and it would be rude not to see how they actually go.

But New / Low mileage cars & Dealers putting 95 Ron from Asda in does not help them.

Or them setting the tyres at odd pressures.

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Yes, 30 - 60, 30 - 70. maybe to 80. they actually are possibly quicker on the road,

that is the benefit of a Supercharger & Turbo Charger below 3,500 rpm

and Turbo only from 3,500 rpm & a 7 Speed DSG.

Pretty much the same overtaking speeds with the 1.4 Twincharger as with a VW Golf MK5 GTI Edition 30 DSG.

Quicker 50-70 in the tiddler.

(just happens with no dramas, well apart from cr4p standard fit brakes & tyres, and not the best of engine braking, if you need to get slowed quickly.)

Golf gti edition 30 is 230bhp isnt it?

The leon still has another 50bhp over that.

I see what you're saying though .

Power delivery can make things seem slower than they actually are too IMO.

The golf R doesnt seem as fast as it is on paper IMO.

I'd not try overtaking at anything less than 4k. I doubt the twin charger would keep up tbh.

I feel a race coming on.. :p

Is it a Manual you have Stever ?,  

maybe not overtaking at nothing under 4,000 rpm is where you are finding it lacking.

(but then i never drive manuals.)

 

No need to doubt or think about it, just go try.

I did, and the Leon Cupra 280 DSG 5 Door could not keep up when being floored from 30 mph,

which is a good place to try and see the overtaking ability.

 

yes there might be 45 BHP more per tonne benefit with the 280,

but 30-80 is often the interesting indication of a cars performance.

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No mines DSG, but tbh it doesn't matter what speed you start at, get the gear selection right and it won't keep up. Unless it's an Atom or something equally radical, 180 (with its corresponding torque) won't keep up in a straight line with a marginally heavier 280ps / 350Nm. Torque to weight ratio George, that's the on paper comparator.

You've driven it. It's hardly sluggish between 2k and 3k, but 5 to 7 is bonkers. Golf R just the same. It's a fabulous 2 litre 4, I'd reckon right now VAG rules that particular world

I know 350 Nm vs 250 Nm

 

The 350 Nm is @ 1,750 -5,300 RPM.    

& the lowly 250 @ 2,000 - 4,300 rpm.   So no competition really is there, the tiddler is not even in the game!.

 

So the only 150 kg heavier car with near 100 more bhp & 100 Nm is faster.

  well maybe not at 4,000 rpm if you want to boot it from 30 mph.

 

On paper is great, but then i drove both against each other, so when you have,

let me know how quicker the Cupra 280 actually is 30-80 mph.  or 50-80.

Or maybe time your own car over those speeds.

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No mines DSG, but tbh it doesn't matter what speed you start at, get the gear selection right and it won't keep up. Unless it's an Atom or something equally radical, 180 (with its corresponding torque) won't keep up in a straight line with a marginally heavier 280ps / 350Nm. Torque to weight ratio George, that's the on paper comparator.

You've driven it. It's hardly sluggish between 2k and 3k, but 5 to 7 is bonkers. Golf R just the same. It's a fabulous 2 litre 4, I'd reckon right now VAG rules that particular world

Or a bike.

Jus sayin

Don't do bikes, unless self powered, but that's a different forum

I know 350 Nm vs 250 Nm

The 350 Nm is @ 1,750 -5,300 RPM.

& the lowly 250 @ 2,000 - 4,300 rpm. So no competition really is there, the tiddler is not even in the game!.

So the only 150 kg heavier car with near 100 more bhp & 100 Nm is faster.

well maybe not at 4,000 rpm if you want to boot it from 30 mph.

On paper is great, but then i drove both against each other, so when you have,

let me know how quicker the Cupra 280 actually is 30-80 mph. or 50-80.

Or maybe time your own car over those speeds.

I would George but it's not really important! I'm not even sure what car the tiddler is. All I know is that dynamically in so many ways the leon is a world away from my remapped octy, which had the best part of 250 bhp and probably more torque. It ran out of puff at 5.5, whereas this thing has just started. In my head? Maybe, but isn't that where it all really happens?

The tiddler would be the likes of a 1390cc 1.4 TSI Twincharger with official Skoda figures of 180 ps Minimum & only 250 Nm.

 

We obviously never race on roads, but if one is ever up your jacksy maybe floor yours and see how you get on and how far in front you are 3 seconds later.

Maybe best drop below 4,000 rpm when doing it though.

I bought my lady a 1.4tsi ibiza. It's nippy for sure, but not quick by any bum dyno measure

What did she get a 1.4 TSI 150 ps Twincharger, or a 1.4 TSI Turbo 122 bhp ?

 

EDIT,

I see now, a 1.4 TSI Turbo ACT 140ps.   (Active Cylinder Technology.)

Edited 16 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

What did she get a 1.4 TSI 150 ps Twincharger, or a 1.4 TSI Turbo 122 bhp ?

EDIT,

I see now, a 1.4 TSI Turbo ACT 140ps. (Active Cylinder Technology.)

Without being rude or causing trouble.

That compared to the 180ps twincharger is like a polo blue gt vs a polo GTI. Is it not?

Should of thought the gti would be quite abit different.