Ok guys, I have a remapped VRS TSI DSG MK3 on about 25k miles. Car has been faultless and the map is proving capable and strong.

 

Map developed by Superchips.

 

The question is, for the money what's better, an APR intake or VWR R600 intake and do they really make that much difference as the stock one seems to be doing ok.

 

Honest feedback please, after all it'll be a £300/£400 upgrade,...

Had a lot of conversations witH VWR when we were seeing which system would fit the Yeti. In the end we decided against as the gains for a diesel a negligible but on the petrol they were great. You should have a chat with Richard or Lee who have both taken their 1.8tsi Yeti's over 300bhp and both have the VWR intake kit.

Had a lot of conversations witH VWR when we were seeing which system would fit the Yeti. In the end we decided against as the gains for a diesel a negligible but on the petrol they were great. You should have a chat with Richard or Lee who have both taken their 1.8tsi Yeti's over 300bhp and both have the VWR intake kit.

Cheers, will do, however might also chat direct with VWR and APR.

 

Be keen to hear anyone that's taken the plunge with a mk3 though??

No worries, it's Scott Saunders you want to,talk to at VWR, I'll pm his contact details.

No worries, it's Scott Saunders you want to,talk to at VWR, I'll pm his contact details.

Much appreciated.

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

Worth a read before putting aftermarket filters on a car if you plan to keep it for a long tjme as they let a lot more dirt into the engine and block quicker for not much flow advantage.

I can't comment on how much restriction the pipework itself makes but that's probably the best place for improvement over the stock system not the filter itself?

Although looking at pictures the airbox looks the same on the golf r (can anyone confirm if they are the same or different) so should be good easily for over 300hp?

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

Worth a read before putting aftermarket filters on a car if you plan to keep it for a long tjme as they let a lot more dirt into the engine and block quicker for not much flow advantage.

I can't comment on how much restriction the pipework itself makes but that's probably the best place for improvement over the stock system not the filter itself?

Although looking at pictures the airbox looks the same on the golf r (can anyone confirm if they are the same or different) so should be good easily for over 300hp?

The VWR set up is a replacment air box with improved flow, combined with the filter. These systems are not the old 'cone in the wheel arch' jobs.

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

Worth a read before putting aftermarket filters on a car if you plan to keep it for a long tjme as they let a lot more dirt into the engine and block quicker for not much flow advantage.

I can't comment on how much restriction the pipework itself makes but that's probably the best place for improvement over the stock system not the filter itself?

Although looking at pictures the airbox looks the same on the golf r (can anyone confirm if they are the same or different) so should be good easily for over 300hp?

I am hoping to keep car for a good few years and average 25k miles a year, thanks for the heads up, have emailed Scott @ VWR and asked for opinions both positive and negative to include long term durability.

 

Stock ones not that bad to be fair.

The VWR set up is a replacment air box with improved flow, combined with the filter. These systems are not the old 'cone in the wheel arch' jobs.

I'm not knocking the design of the VWR one more the unknown filter in it which will most likely flow better but at what expense? I know the VW engineers had to deal with noise limits not just performance so there is always some room for improvement in that sense and it looks like a nicely put together item

Any idea how many extra hps this VWR brings to 2.0TSI?

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

Interesting reading that. Always used to put a K&N filter on my cars back in the day. Looks like I may have wasted my money!

Interesting reading that. Always used to put a K&N filter on my cars back in the day. Looks like I may have wasted my money!

Interesting yes but by no means the only thing worth reading on the subject , a drop in performance filter often adds performance on some cars , not all and results vary

A lot of rubbish on the net about k&n filters and a lot of myths repeated by the less informed

Mighty Car Mods did an interested test on intakes which proved very little (if any) improvement.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCi2yo4UqPI

Telboy5, its a balancing act, getting more air in is great in principle but, you've gotta be able to get more exhaust out too which is the downfall of a lot of induction kits.  I'd like to see some airflow figures to be convinced by any of these systems but, if you simple increase the volume of air intake without increasing the exhaust capabilities you won't see a great deal of difference and hence, without a sports exhaust the intake will be limited.

 

That then brings you to £1k upwards for what another 30-40 BHP kinda expensive considering the "bang for buck" of a stage 1 remap !

Telboy5, its a balancing act, getting more air in is great in principle but, you've gotta be able to get more exhaust out too which is the downfall of a lot of induction kits.  I'd like to see some airflow figures to be convinced by any of these systems but, if you simple increase the volume of air intake without increasing the exhaust capabilities you won't see a great deal of difference and hence, without a sports exhaust the intake will be limited.

 

That then brings you to £1k upwards for what another 30-40 BHP kinda expensive considering the "bang for buck" of a stage 1 remap !

Yep, stage 2 requires a lot more buck for your bang!!

Interesting yes but by no means the only thing worth reading on the subject , a drop in performance filter often adds performance on some cars , not all and results vary

A lot of rubbish on the net about k&n filters and a lot of myths repeated by the less informed

I'm not denying aftermarket filters let more air through but at what cost to filtration? And do they really need less restriction in the first place. If you can remap a tsi to 300bhp without changing the filter it suggests that changing the filter will do bugger all on a standard car.

Playing with the intake is only worth looking at if your changing the full exhaust system and getting the car remapped? And then you need to pick the air filter very carefully if you want to keep the insides of the engine clean

I'm not denying aftermarket filters let more air through but at what cost to filtration? And do they really need less restriction in the first place. If you can remap a tsi to 300bhp without changing the filter it suggests that changing the filter will do bugger all on a standard car.

Playing with the intake is only worth looking at if your changing the full exhaust system and getting the car remapped? And then you need to pick the air filter very carefully if you want to keep the insides of the engine clean

As I said it depends on the car on some cars it can be an easy 10hp or more on others its pointless, there is not a cost to filtration and k&n filters dont mess up the internals of an engine but some people like to believe all sorts and you can find plenty of evidence for either side 

 

Its not just about airflow but its about HOW the air flows through the filter as smooth air is easier read by the maf and you get more accurate readings

 

The filtration point is discussed here

 

http://www.knfilters.com/faq.htm#21

 

I've used K&N's (and other aftermarket filters) for many years and many tens of thousands of miles without issue, all my cars have made good power on the dyno and all gained a little mpg after fitting, i clean mine every 10k as I think the factory frequency is too little especially with Skodas

 

I've been on many forums and seen this discussion played out a thousand times , its got quite heated on a 370z forum I frequent so in the end someone did a back to back dyno run

 

As I said not massive gains but why wouldnt you ?

 

If you`ve £400 burning a hole get some quality suspension instead, far better bang for your money that an air intake that I`m sure won`t make a jot of difference. I ride motorbikes as well and now I buy a quality suspension rebuild rather than a noisey exhaust if I`ve the itch to spend

IMO the biggest waste of cash in modifying most vehicles is air intakes, filters etc and exhausts.

I've seen too many tests showing the lower filtration of an oiled cotton filter. How else could you possibly increase airflow through a filter without increasing the size of the "holes" the air goes through. Unless you increase the surface area.

£400 would be far better spent on a remap if you want more power or on suspension.

I'm not denying a car can make more power with a k&n style filter. My wife's saxo vts was making good power at 80k with nothing but a K&N style inlet and a full stainless exhaust. Enough to pull a standing 1/4 mile at 15 seconds dead at santapod but would I put one on my VRS probably not as the intake on it looks like a family good clean design

£400 would be far better spent on a remap

 

The op already has this bit done

I have read somewhere (it must have been a link on Briskoda somewhere) about a G*lf GTI which had been stage 1 re-mapped by Midlands VW to 300bhp, which when fitted with the Wr air filter set-up (complete airbox assembly) picked up a further 15bhp, just because the filtration area was over twice the size of a standard GTI filter.

 

Now that's a good factory airbox!

The op already has this bit done

I know I was just pointing out on a standard car that £400 would be better on a remap than an intake.

Ok  

I have read that vwr600 filter falls apart there is many cases on the net.