Where did the info come from that the ultimate problem turned out to be a relay, and which relay to what part of the car

It came from the unfortunate owner in posts #125 and #140 in the full thread below. The photo which he posted of the relay is no longer available to view. VAGTECH found the fault.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=193416

Where did the info come from that the ultimate problem turned out to be a relay, and which relay to what part of the car

If it was in no way engine related, I still take the view that Seat are the ones who have jumped the gun, and it's them who want stuffing, notwithstanding how stupid the OP was in having the car mapped, especially in the pig-headed fashion in which they dealt with it

Well the guys opening post says that the car 'died this morning and wont start at all'. Lighting up like a christmas tree etc etc.

So the relay must of been somehow engine related...

Well the guys opening post says that the car 'died this morning and wont start at all'. Lighting up like a christmas tree etc etc.

So the relay must of been somehow engine related...

 

And Seat weren't prepared to play ball to find that a £50 relay swap could have cured it all

 

Instead of that the guy got well and truly shafted

 

Excellent customer care

Why should they ? They took one look at a car that had been extensively modified they have no idea who has messed with what

Why should they ? They took one look at a car that had been extensively modified they have no idea who has messed with what

They insist he puts it all back to standard and pays the balance in full, as may or might not be a term of the contract (I presume no-one has actually seen the terms of the Seat owner's contract), so they get full payment, much sooner than they would have done otherwise

They get car back, presumably don't write off an 8 month old car, do some checks, which if they are decent techs will find the same £50 relay issue, which was probably notified to them by the firm which found the cure, then sling the car back out on the forecourt as a nearly new car

Seems to be a win-win for Seat

If, as someone had before, the guy had gone to the firm which cured it first, he'd have had a fully working car, Seat would have been none the wiser, and all would have been fine

The terms of the Seat Contract is almost identical to the Volkswagen, Skoda & Audi Contracts.

 Lease, Finance & Manufacturers Warranties, and many will have Signed them and should maybe have Read them,

but they are likely to have copies and can maybe read them now if they have not.

You can't even fit a personalised plate without permission which is something I didn't think about with my Fabia.

People forget with pcp you are essentially 'renting' the car it's not your property to do with as you wish

And Seat weren't prepared to play ball to find that a £50 relay swap could have cured it all

Instead of that the guy got well and truly shafted

Excellent customer care

I dont blame them.

Shouldnt of done what he did with a car that isnt even his.

Its like me borrowing your car, tuning it up, then saying 'here you go, fix it for me'

lol.

I dont blame them.

Shouldnt of done what he did with a car that isnt even his.

Its like me borrowing your car, tuning it up, then saying 'here you go, fix it for me'

lol.

I wouldn't let you borrow my car :P

Like Hiring a Morning Suit & making alterations, taking the trouser bottoms up and changing the buttons,

then returning it with the alterations still made or the creases still there where you let the bottoms back down and the Original Buttons badly sewn back on.

 

You reduced the value of that Hire Suit and you will be having to pay for it, and if they do not notice the alterations 

before the next hirer gets it because they are not diligent or professional, then they likely will when the complain.

 

If you want something special, different from off the rack or something you can alter,

buy it yourself and do what you want with it.

Same with cars IMO but just maybe more expensive.

Edited 29 April, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

One big reason why i would prefer to take cars out on a bank loan, as usually my bank can match the finance rates and i can modify to my hearts content, ofcourse warranty could be a problem still in this situation, BUT at least the car is YOURS.

I wouldn't let you borrow my car :P

Dont worry, i wouldnt really want to

Ooooh haha.

Dont worry, i wouldnt really want to

Ooooh haha.

Perfect

One big reason why i would prefer to take cars out on a bank loan, as usually my bank can match the finance rates and i can modify to my hearts content, ofcourse warranty could be a problem still in this situation, BUT at least the car is YOURS.

Yeah yeah. To an extent.

My car and bikes mine, no loans or anything, but i still wouldnt mod like that ibiza owner, take it back and expect the warranty to pay when/if something goes wrong.

Not that id mod the car anyway. Its too comfy for that haha.

I love playing devil's advocate

I wonder how many of the persons who have posted in this thread refer to dealers as 'stealers', for example

I love playing devil's advocate

I wonder how many of the persons who have posted in this thread refer to dealers as 'stealers', for example

Sometimes.

But sometimes common sense comes into play when doing things to a car, especially when its essentially borrowed.

You wouldnt actually do that and wonder why the dealers (okay, stealers) are abit ****ty with you for doing it, would you?

Surely you could see it coming a mile off, and it would of crossed your mind before doing all those mods IMO.

Sometimes.

But sometimes common sense comes into play when doing things to a car, especially when its essentially borrowed.

You wouldnt actually do that and wonder why the dealers (okay, stealers) are abit ****ty with you for doing it, would you?

Surely you could see it coming a mile off, and it would of crossed your mind before doing all those mods IMO.

I must admit he did have a huge list, so my sympathy level is reduced, had it just been the remap I believe there could have been a workaround somewhere along the line

I must admit he did have a huge list, so my sympathy level is reduced, had it just been the remap I believe there could have been a workaround somewhere along the line

Yeah i agree with that.

The dealer just thought he was taking the **** when he strolled in with that car, said its broke n chucked em the keys lol

One big reason why i would prefer to take cars out on a bank loan, as usually my bank can match the finance rates and i can modify to my hearts content, ofcourse warranty could be a problem still in this situation, BUT at least the car is the banks .

Corrected for you

Corrected for you

 

Ha   Ha  

My finance provider was happy to pay for my Bluefin & several other performance related mods - Happy Days.

 

I can't quite understand the "taking the car back" bit.  If the payments are up to date then what's the issue?  Sure SEAT can refuse warranty on a modified component but I don't understand the repossesion.

 

VAG group have become quite active in flagging tunes on MQB platform vehicles which voids the drive train warranty immediately.  Even if you remove the tune the drivetrain warranty is still void.  I guess if you want to play you have to pay.

And Seat weren't prepared to play ball to find that a £50 relay swap could have cured it all

 

Instead of that the guy got well and truly shafted

 

Excellent customer care

 

Why should Seat pay?

The car was not his to modify.

The T & C's of his agreement with them didn't allow it.

He didn't have their permission to modify it.

 

He is totally at fault and it is his responsibility to return the car to standard.

 

Probably another example of someone who hasn't bothered to read the T & C's of the agreement IN FULL before he signed.

My finance provider was happy to pay for my Bluefin & several other performance related mods - Happy Days.

I can't quite understand the "taking the car back" bit. If the payments are up to date then what's the issue? Sure SEAT can refuse warranty on a modified component but I don't understand the repossesion.

VAG group have become quite active in flagging tunes on MQB platform vehicles which voids the drive train warranty immediately. Even if you remove the tune the drivetrain warranty is still void. I guess if you want to play you have to pay.

Its a breach of the contract i guess, so its void. They arent lending him the car for what hes doinh with it.

Ibiza isnt MQB, its PQ25 at the moment and i think PQ24 when that thread was in 2008

My major point here is them wanting him to put the car back to standard, and then returning it and paying back in full immediately

As brad said above, if payments were up to date, car back to standard, relay repaired, car is back within the terms of the contract

Why would Seat want a previously modified car back in those circumstances except to resell, and you could bet your life that they wouldn't declare all of this to a prospective buyer

Cake and eating it springs to mind

My major point here is them wanting him to put the car back to standard, and then returning it and paying back in full immediately

As brad said above, if payments were up to date, car back to standard, relay repaired, car is back within the terms of the contract

Why would Seat want a previously modified car back in those circumstances except to resell, and you could bet your life that they wouldn't declare all of this to a prospective buyer

Cake and eating it springs to mind

Entirely up to the dealer though.

The owner left himself open.

He'll no doubt of gone somewhere else n financed something else, but maybe thought twice about doing the mods.