Octavia / Yeti wheel spacing.

[Jock]

I've just ordered an Octavia Scout (150 PS).

 

Previously I've owned a couple of Yeti's and was wondering if anyone here can tell me if my winter wheels off the Yeti will fit the Scout?

 

They're 45mm offset but 16" so I know speed indication will probably be out.

[Grumpy Finn]

The Scout has 7,0J x 17" rims (ET 45) with 225/50 R17 tyres, diameter 658 mm. Yeti has 7,0J x 16" ;rims (ET 45) with 215/60 R16 tyres, diameter 664 mm.

Some here in Finland are using the Yeti size tyres in the rough road package Octys, it has 155 higher suspension as standard, Scout has 33 mm higher.

 

The Yeti wheels should suit for the Scout. The winter tyres has lower speed limit, we have R (170 km/h). 

You can check the tyre sizes here: http://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp

Edited 8 June, 2015 by Grumpy Finn

[Jock]

Thank you, Grumpy Finn.

[vegit8]

There is little difference in the 16's and 17's in terms of speed indicated. The 16's will slightly over indicate. Which is better than under reading. Don't forget the S and SE, have 16's as standard with similar drive trains.

I currently own a Yeti 4x4 Elegance that was supplied ex factory with 16" wheels, on my request.

Interestingly in the latest catalogue there is a statistic that refers to the impact of wheel size on emissions, 18" rims appear to produce worse emission readings and higher fuel consumption figures.

I can see another tax in the offing for people with larger wheels!

The govt must be losing a fortune with all these 0 and £30 a year rated vehicles.

[drum]

I've gone from a 140 yeti tdi 4x4 to an octavia estate 150 4x4 and can confirm that there is no problem in swapping the wheels. ( I use 16" steels for my winter tyres).

[domhnall]

The Scout has 7,0J x 17" rims (ET 45) with 225/50 R17 tyres, diameter 658 mm. Yeti has 7,0J x 16" ;rims (ET 45) with 215/60 R16 tyres, diameter 664 mm.

Some here in Finland are using the Yeti size tyres in the rough road package Octys, it has 155 higher suspension as standard, Scout has 33 mm higher.

 

The Yeti wheels should suit for the Scout. The winter tyres has lower speed limit, we have R (170 km/h). 

You can check the tyre sizes here: http://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp

 

 

will they fit a standard Octavia III (ie a non Scout/rough road package?)  I've got this size on my yeti but am going back to an Octavia soon

[vegit8]

will they fit a standard Octavia III (ie a non Scout/rough road package?)  I've got this size on my yeti but am going back to an Octavia soon

 

Yes - absolutely

[domhnall]

excellent, no need to sell then! :-)

 

funny as nowere are 215/60/r16 listed as fitting the Octavia.  I knew my old Octavia tyres fitted the yeti but the wheel arches looked empty so I went for the higher profile. Good to know they will still fit.

[Andy P]

Over winter I was running my octavia on my old 16 inch yeti steel wheels with winter tyres no problem.

[domhnall]

Over winter I was running my octavia on my old 16 inch yeti steel wheels with winter tyres no problem.

 

yeah but what size are they? 215/60/R16?

[vegit8]

Hmm - the wheels will fit - but I am concerned that the tyre size (and I am in this situation too) will be outside the permitted deviation figures.

I think you will need to get a specialist to comment on this - the problem is that insurance companies will definitely kick up a fuss if you have an accident.

 

The 215/60's are 10mm wider than the the 205/55's and are larger in diameter, by 17mm, not a huge amount - but I have read that a 1% difference is the most that is suitable, and this figure is greater than that.

 

I have a feeling I'll be purchasing some new winter rubber this year   

[domhnall]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking the more I look into it.

[fatzy]

Hmm - the wheels will fit - but I am concerned that the tyre size (and I am in this situation too) will be outside the permitted deviation figures.

I think you will need to get a specialist to comment on this - the problem is that insurance companies will definitely kick up a fuss if you have an accident.

 

The 215/60's are 10mm wider than the the 205/55's and are larger in diameter, by 17mm, not a huge amount - but I have read that a 1% difference is the most that is suitable, and this figure is greater than that.

OMG!

I'm glad I don't live in England. If the insurance companies operates like that it is time for consumer protests. Their hunt for excuses for not paying out has gone far too extreme if 1% is the "legal" limit. It means a tiddelysquat, they just use their company power towards more or less defenseless consumers. How can an insurance company prove that an accident was caused by this or that? What if the 1% was in the positive direction, and an accident still happened? A bigger diameter of the tyre will as an example brake better...!

[andyvee]

It is nothing to do with the 1%, the fact is that the car has been 'modified' as it is running a tyre size not specified by the manufacturer for the model.

 

Some insurance companies won't be bothered (as long as you tell them), others will refuse to insure you if you fit the larger tyres.

 

Only one way of finding out, ask the insurance company for their stance.

[vegit8]

A bigger diameter of the tyre will as an example brake better...!

 

Not strictly true, the larger circumference will apply more torque to the discs and pads and actually increase the effort required to stop the vehicle.

[fatzy]

The difference between the Scout's 225/50R17 and the Yeti's 215/60R16 is 6 mm more in diameter. That means that the wheel will be 3 mm closer to the well, hardly noticeable (half worn it will be the same as a new original size). The speedometer will be 0.8% more acurate. In my country it is allowed with +/-5% from original, and to my knowledge no insurance companies has ever cared about changes as long as they are within the given limits. Even if the manufacturer don't list some tyre/rim variants doesn't mean that it isn't possible. Manufacturers have even margins for snow socks and chains and other local variants..... Octavia is made for world wide use in a big variety of conditions, Iceland is very different from Egypt.

[Ootohere]

The numbers on the tyre walls still do not tell the tale.

you can have a 205/ 40 R 17 from one brand or treaded type stood next to a 215/40 R 17 and the 205 being physically bigger 

total diameter / rolling circumference.

 

http://kouki.co.uk/utilities/visual-tyre-size-calculator

 

Lots of misinformation keeps being trotted out about type approval / EU Construction and use, Speed & Load Ratings 

and Insurance Companies in the UK.

Thankfully sense is now coming to the fore and the correct tyres for the seasons and use is recognised than better than 

Summer Tyres on the OEM Alloy rims as shown in a UK Brochure or Owners Manual.

We are in the EU and the Safe Tyres and wheels come as tested for the EU and other World Regions.

 

Declare your wheels and tyres and if silly obstructions are put there by a Broker or Underwriter then take your business where they understand vehicles.

Legal Wheels and tyres are well understood by Accident Investigators and Insurance Loss Adjusters,

so drive legal and no Winter or all Season tyre of the correct size and rating is an issue, or going to invalidate the insurance.

Edited 14 June, 2015 by goneoffSKi

[andyvee]

Well said, 3 or 4 years ago some insurers in the UK were refusing to insure cars that changed summer alloys to winter steels with winter tyres, even though they were the approved size by the manufacturer. The ABI & AA got involved, and thankfully the majority of the insurance industry started to see sense and not see winter tyres and wheels as a 'modification'. Some still insist on being notified, and some will only cover you if you fit winter tyres to your wide boy alloys!

 

The ABI has a table of insurance companies here and their respective stance here.

 

You will see that some of them state that they cannot be larger than the original tyres.

[fatzy]

Maybe UK insurance companies could seek information about proper equipment from "winter countries". Bigger diameters are in fact better in some cases. And "careful driving" is a must, but it is not a substitute for winter tyres.