Fabia II VRS

 

So I've been checking my oil, there is a checkerboard on the dipstick, does each square/line equate to a certain amount of oil?  I've read 3.6 litres is the total capacity and am wondering how much I'd need to top it up by and whether the marks on the dipstick each equal 100ml or something....

 

Dipstick checked 10 minutes after switch off following decent drive which brings the oil to 90+ degrees.

 

Does anyone know the amount of oil used once the warning light comes on....

 

Just trying to gauge how much oil it's used and how much I'll need to fill it up.

 

Thanks in advance for the info and sorry if its been asked before but a search yielded nothing.

 

Barefoot 'n' kickin'

 

 

 

It's about 650ml from top to bottom of the "B" cross-hatched [or "checkerboard"] section.

Edited 4 July, 201510 yr by OzFabia

Have a look at the top thread in this section "vRS Mk. II 1.4 litre twincharger oil consumption issues", it doesn't mention the 650 ml figure but I suspect you can take that as Gospel (thanks OzFabia )

 

In general terms, you should probably check your oil level fairly often until you know how fast it is used up.

Try to avoid ever seeing the oil warning light - especially in this weather!

It seems that oil will be used up faster if you do lots of short journeys.

 

DON'T PANIC!

DO NOT OVERFILL.

Put oil in when you are checking cold.

 

A member has just posted in the last 2 days that he had no warning Low Oil or Message until he required 2 + litres to take the oil back up to the correct level.

(see the pinnedthread at the top of the page.)

 

Many report as much as 1.5 litres low and no 'Low Oil' Light or message or 'Low Oil Pressure' Red Light.

the oil can be 1.3 litres low and show on the bottom of the dipstick.

 

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Is this the new Engine?

How many miles has it done since being replaced, and has it had an Oil & Filter Service Since?

??

Where is your oil when dipped cold?

* It should be above the Cross Hatched Area & below the Top Orange Marker.

& with a 'Hot Dip after 5 minutes about the top of the Cross Hatch Area**

(Read the Oil Squirters thread from Yesterday, it describes in a post by me how to do a Jabazuma test.*

 

The dipstick does not give any accuracy.

Dip the Oil cold to get a more accurate idea of where the OIl level is, oil in the sump.

If dipping hot, do not wait 10 minutes,

The Owners Manual says 'A few minutes',  A few is less than a handful not '10 minutes' or thay could say '10 minutes' 

they suggest checking when filling up, 

Putting petrol in  does not take 10 minutes.

5 minutes is long enough to wait 'A few'.

 

* Do not listen to advice from people that have never dipped one hot or cold, and have not a clue on the dip stick other than what they have read.'*

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/356305-new-fabia-vrs-14tsi-owner

 

This is just 1 of about 8 threads in the past 5 years on Low Oil Warnings, 

Dipping etc.

All done by people that had cars and knew how much Oil they might use.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/230124-low-oil-warning

Edited 4 July, 201510 yr by goneoffSKi

2010 Fabia Mk2 Owners Manual. page 167.

 

'Checking oil level'

Ensure the vehicle is positioned on a level surface.

Switch the engine off.

Open the bonnet .........etc

Wait a few minutes and pull the oil dip stick.

Wipe off the dipstick with a clean cloth and insert again fully.

Withdraw again the dipstick and read off the oil level.'

 

Page 168

"one should therefore check the oil level at regular intervals, preferably every time after the fuel tank 

is filled or after driving for long stretches."

 

"Caution,

Always check the oil level cold on vehicles 1.2 ltr/44kw when the engine is cold,

on other vehicles when the engine is warm. Otherwise the measuring result is incorrect

and oil could be incorrectly replenished-risk of damage."

 

....................................

'THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.  & ignore as you wish.

Until you know what your engine uses. or requires in the way of Topping up.

Carry spare oil, the correct oil.

& Better to check oil before starting off on a Long or even short journey and see there is enough oil,

and put any in, than do as Skoda / VW suggest go away get a car up to heat then have to find oil, 

maybe stop because there is a Warning Light, 

Dip a very hot engine etc.

Remember, when you open the Bonnet, 

then after a few minutes, close the bonnet, the Warning Light goes out, 

Even if you put no Oil in.

It will come on again, but not immediately.  The level might still be over 50 % below the correct Capacity.

 

...........................

VOLKSWAGEN HAVE DESIGNED AND BUILT AND SUPPLIED TO SKODA , SEAT & AUDI 

ENGINES WITH A LOW OIL WARNING THAT STILL DOES NOT SHOW WHEN THE ENGINE HAS LESS THAN 
50% OF THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF OIL IN.

They have a Dipstick that get used in Engines with various oil Capacities, 3.2, 3.6, 3.9, 4.2 Litres 

& a Genetic Owners Manual, that covers 3 & 4 Cylinder Engines, Petrol & Diesel,

44 - 136 kw Output, and it is hardly surprising errors take place.

 

Volkswagen should have listened to Castrol & Quentin Wilson back in 2008.

Then they might not have made the Fundamental Engine Designs, Sensors &  with the Dip Stcks and Owners Manuals 

Instuctions.

Edited 4 July, 201510 yr by goneoffSKi

This is a VW UK Video.

(a diesel engine car, and not a 1.2 litre 44 kw which the OM says check cold,

"Others engines when warm" as in the Skoda Fabia OM. )

 

Funnily there is no mention of a 'Warm' Engine, or 'Operating Temperature' in this Video released by Volkswagen UK.

It does not tally with VW / Skoda / Seat / Audi Owners Manuals or Website advice, 

or Quentin Wilson doing a Video for Castrol, the Oil VW / Skoda / Seat / Audi Recommend.

Edited 4 July, 201510 yr by goneoffSKi

It's about 650ml from top to bottom of the "B" cross-hatched [or "checkerboard"] section.

Just what I needed, numbers, thanks Oz, so presumably half way down the dipstick crosshatched checkerboard B section means I've used about 325ml....assuming the dealer hadn't overfilled from the get go.

 

Shame, I was hoping it was more so I could have a new engine

 

As to goneoffski, lmao at those videos.  The 2nd one was ooh side boob...wait did she just say wipe the dipstick with kitchen towel??? ~Oh wait...more boobs....so i just wait until the engine warning light comes on....ok boob....i mean yea...

 

Ok, so I'll keep checking the oil and possibly checking it more accurately with the advice about hot and cold and how long to wait......

 

Going to re-read and read the threads posted.

 

The dipstick is down to halfway on the "B" section after 900 miles.

 

Still loving the car.  Traction control kicking in at 25mph on hard acceleration....oh boy do I need some decent tires.  Got the mudflaps yay! Standard Fabia II mudflaps, even though skoda says they dont fit VRS they do.

Edited 5 July, 201510 yr by Barefootkid

If you had a new engine, then Running in applies the same as with a new car.

Read the Owners manual on,  May use more oil in the first 5,000 km. (this can happen with any new engine.)

 

So do not overfill, no more than 0.5 litres at a time as Checking & Topping up.

 

Half down Section B might be fine if the car is doing short journeys and the oil is never getting heated up to operating temperature,

which can be over 5 miles, even in the summer.

 

& you need to know where the Oil was when Cold or Hot when it had the Oil put in to compare where it was and where it is now.

 

You have a Replacement Engine, 

& it either has the First Fill oil in or it has been Serviced and new oil.

Just do not let the oil go below Half Down Section B when you check the Oil Stone Cold.

 

* You  are safe dipping it cold, on the level and bringing the dipstick indication to the oil at the top of the Cross Hatch Area.

Run the car for a few hundred miles, and check again Cold on the Level and see if it is still there.

Top of Cross Hatch area.*  It can use oil a bit though and that is not an issue. A litre every 3 tanks of fuel is an issue.

If you think it drinks oil too quickly, then monitor how much oil and how often you need to add oil.

Maybe on longer trips no oil will be needed, on short town trips, some might be required every few tank fill ups of petrol.*

Edited 6 July, 201510 yr by goneoffSKi

It's about 650ml from top to bottom of the "B" cross-hatched [or "checkerboard"] section.

I am surprised that it is only 650 ml - 650 ml it is though.

I would have expected it to be nearer a liter although I have never filled it from bottom to top.

My oil usage has never been high but it definitely reduced after my first service.

I've just had a service and despite telling them my car takes 3.6L of oil they've put about 4L in. Got to drain some out now?!

Hold your horses.

 

Have you checked the level, like 'Where is the Oil on the dipstick, Hot, and Cold?

and is it the newest Silver VW / Audi filter that is fitted.?

 

Has the Technician admitted putting in 4 litres, or was that just what they charged for?

Yes, it is the newest filter. And I told them it took 3.6litres like I said and I supplied a 5L bottle of Mobil 1 5w-30 which had around 4 litres left (I'd used some to fill up a 1L top up bottle from empty)

I'd asked them to put the old spark plugs and remaining oil in the boot, and that was empty. And dipped when warm it was over the maximum mark.

What maximum mark?

Do you mean half way between the top of the Cross hatch and the bottom of the orange marker.

 

or was it at the Bottom of the Orange Plastic when hot.

 

.................

I recently gave 'an apprentice' a 4 litre unopened container of Oil to put in a vRS, 

and when i checked the Oil was no place near full enough, and i needed to top up further.

No idea what he did, or where the oil was, it was not all over the engine, 

so no idea really.

 

.................

Lots of garages that have to guarantee their work will only use the customers oil from 

Unopened Containers, because then they can put some trust in what is being used in the engine.

Too often people have containers with decanted oil, or other fluids.

Edited 8 July, 201510 yr by goneoffSKi

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 09:35

""If you had a new engine, then Running in applies the same as with a new car.

Read the Owners manual on,  May use more oil in the first 5,000 km. (this can happen with any new engine.)

 

So do not overfill, no more than 0.5 litres at a time as Checking & Topping up.

 

Half down Section B might be fine if the car is doing short journeys and the oil is never getting heated up to operating temperature,

which can be over 5 miles, even in the summer.""

 

My "new" engine has done 10,000 mile since being installed, so no running in needed and was serviced by the Skoda dealer on purchase last month and all officially stamped, dated and mileage written down.  As many long runs as short, the car is used mostly for day trips which involve a nice long drive, pleasure drives which involve a lazy drive to heat the oil to around 90c to my favourite race track, albeit a public road, then some gunning down long straights, braking hard into twists and turns all whilst obeying the speed limits and what not, before a lazy drive home and the obvious necessary short trip to the shops and family visits.

 

Going to keep monitoring the oil levels, going to take out those pesky spark plugs just to have a looksee and never going to regret buying the car, skoda warranty and a new engine every 20,000 miles (if needed) until I get a good one sounds like a bargain to me

Edited 10 July, 201510 yr by Barefootkid

What maximum mark?

Do you mean half way between the top of the Cross hatch and the bottom of the orange marker.

or was it at the Bottom of the Orange Plastic when hot.

.................

I recently gave 'an apprentice' a 4 litre unopened container of Oil to put in a vRS,

and when i checked the Oil was no place near full enough, and i needed to top up further.

No idea what he did, or where the oil was, it was not all over the engine,

so no idea really.

.................

Lots of garages that have to guarantee their work will only use the customers oil from

Unopened Containers, because then they can put some trust in what is being used in the engine.

Too often people have containers with decanted oil, or other fluids.

It was above the orange plastic bit

Did they just suction some out then.   How much?

Did they just suction some out then. How much?

Free, as it was their mistake.

Sorry, i meant how much oil did they take out, i imagined it was 0.5 litres.

 

So what was the reason they gave for putting too much in?

<SNIP>

I'd asked them to put the old spark plugs and remaining oil in the boot, and that was empty. And dipped when warm it was over the maximum mark.

My apologies if you have already answered this, I couldn't find anything.

 

Did you ASK the Garage to change the plugs or did they say they were going to do so? If the former, any particular reason for getting the plugs changed?

 

What total mileage has your car done?

 

Incidentally, I ALWAYS ask Garages to put any replaced components in the passenger footwell, saying that if they aren't there I will not pay for new components. I write this on the work order before handing over the keys. They may well put someone else's plugs, filters, etc. there but it is better than nothing.

 

ps - your Garage sounds incredibly incompetent, are they a Skoda Authorised Garage?

My apologies if you have already answered this, I couldn't find anything.

Did you ASK the Garage to change the plugs or did they say they were going to do so? If the former, any particular reason for getting the plugs changed?

What total mileage has your car done?

Incidentally, I ALWAYS ask Garages to put any replaced components in the passenger footwell, saying that if they aren't there I will not pay for new components. I write this on the work order before handing over the keys. They may well put someone else's plugs, filters, etc. there but it is better than nothing.

ps - your Garage sounds incredibly incompetent, are they a Skoda Authorised Garage?

Normally they're a good garage. They've done lots of work for me before on a previous car and a little on this one. And no they're not an authorised Skoda garage, I thought seeing as it was just an oil change and they were cheaper than Skoda and I trusted them plus they were much closer to home, so I used them.

Yeah I always ask them to give me back my old bits. My car has done 47000 ish now and it was due an oil change and I like changing the plugs every 10,000miles. Although upon inspection of the old ones, they didn't really need changing. I had the Denso SKJ8-CR ones that George recommends in and they were fine. I normally change them myself but as they were doing the oil change I asked them just to swap them around too.

I stood around outside and watched/kept an eye on what they were doing most of the time.