Just looking to update the software to 2006spec on my superb dx sat nav and was wondering if anyone knew if the dx unit supported tmc/itis,and if it was worth having?????My car is a 2004 model

Try asking these people www.satnavsystems.com

Take a look at the manual, I did on one in the showroom (since they couldn't power it up) and it had all of the TMC functions listed, but subject to the CD being enabled.

Did look at the manual but it also shows a diagram with an extra box for tmc/itis and dont know if it is original equipment or not?????

Yes the Skoda DX navigation unit does support TMC when it has a TMC box fitted and navigation disc with TMC codes. The later 2002 MY ish Superb uses the TMC box to pass steering radio contol signals to the naviagtiion unit and for radio/cd multidot display. So in answer to your question in my opinion your 2004 car will have the TMC box.

I have TMC and UK tmc disk the unit annouces delays and highlights on screen map slow moving or stationary traffic. In all my driving in UK and Europe it has not to my knowledge needed to re-route or divert. I have it so great but as to wether its worth it would depend how often you use a motorway network that is liable to have disruptions.

John

Yes the Skoda DX navigation unit does support TMC when it has a TMC box fitted and navigation disc with TMC codes. The later 2002 MY ish Superb uses the TMC box to pass steering radio contol signals to the naviagtiion unit and for radio/cd multidot display. So in answer to your question in my opinion your 2004 car will have the TMC box.

I have TMC and UK tmc disk the unit annouces delays and highlights on screen map slow moving or stationary traffic. In all my driving in UK and Europe it has not to my knowledge needed to re-route or divert. I have it so great but as to wether its worth it would depend how often you use a motorway network that is liable to have disruptions.

John

I have just bought a Superb and I have also just ordered a Sat Nav DX unit. The Skoda Dealer tells me that the correct model for my Skoda is the Sat Nav system that ends in part number 'A'.

I have that Sat Nav on order but by the sounds of it am I going to loose my steering wheel and in dash display by fitting this?

My Superb is an 02 plate but at the start of the year.

Can anyone suggest anything?

I have just bought a Superb and I have also just ordered a Sat Nav DX unit. The Skoda Dealer tells me that the correct model for my Skoda is the Sat Nav system that ends in part number 'A'.

I have that Sat Nav on order but by the sounds of it am I going to loose my steering wheel and in dash display by fitting this?

My Superb is an 02 plate but at the start of the year.

Can anyone suggest anything?

Sounds like the dealer is ordering the correct model so you dont lose your steering controls or multifunction display, the earlier nav models dont need the TMC box for these to work but the newer models with the up-dated software and speller function (bit like predictive text on your mobile) do need the TMC to communicate with steering controls and display. dealer should have ordered the correct one for your chassis number.

IMO if you dont need the TMC for the above reasons it isn't worth the bother - It still reports congestion well after it has cleared and tries diverting you around a perfectly clear motorway!! and it takes so long for information to reach the unit from wherever it comes from that you've normally been sitting in a traffic jam for half an hour before it decides to tell you about it, and you can be sure you will have missed your only opportunity to come off the motorway too!!

Also bear in mind the sound quality is nothing like as good as some of the standard fit head units! I've got a VW 'G' version of the skoda nav in my car, and while it does what its meant too, there are far better double din nav systems available especially if your paying dealer prices!! mines the latest version and in total cost me just under

Sounds like the dealer is ordering the correct model so you dont lose your steering controls or multifunction display, the earlier nav models dont need the TMC box for these to work but the newer models with the up-dated software and speller function (bit like predictive text on your mobile) do need the TMC to communicate with steering controls and display. dealer should have ordered the correct one for your chassis number.

IMO if you dont need the TMC for the above reasons it isn't worth the bother - It still reports congestion well after it has cleared and tries diverting you around a perfectly clear motorway!! and it takes so long for information to reach the unit from wherever it comes from that you've normally been sitting in a traffic jam for half an hour before it decides to tell you about it, and you can be sure you will have missed your only opportunity to come off the motorway too!!

Also bear in mind the sound quality is nothing like as good as some of the standard fit head units! I've got a VW 'G' version of the skoda nav in my car, and while it does what its meant too, there are far better double din nav systems available especially if your paying dealer prices!! mines the latest version and in total cost me just under

The sound quality isn't up to the Symphony but it isn't completely disasterous!

The Skoda DX 'A' version I believe is the equivalent of the earlier VW 'D' version so the sound quality will be the same as with your old 'G' unit.

I have a VW 'G' version in my Superb but I dont have steering controls or maxi dot so It was better for me to have this version with its newer software!

If I was doing it again I dont think i'd bother with the OE nav system, I'd rather pay more money and have a Kenwood double din system or similar, cos I like the 3D view really and the Skoda/VW nav doesn't do that, the only thing I like about them is they fit perfectly flush in the dash, no silly frame around them or anything! - always bugged me that, why are Jap cars headunit slots ever so slightly smaller than European cars? I hate that little frame that has to go round Kenwood/Alpine etc headunits, ruins the whole look!!

The sound quality isn't up to the Symphony but it isn't completely disasterous!

The Skoda DX 'A' version I believe is the equivalent of the earlier VW 'D' version so the sound quality will be the same as with your old 'G' unit.

I have a VW 'G' version in my Superb but I dont have steering controls or maxi dot so It was better for me to have this version with its newer software!

If I was doing it again I dont think i'd bother with the OE nav system' date=' I'd rather pay more money and have a Kenwood double din system or similar, cos I like the 3D view really and the Skoda/VW nav doesn't do that, the only thing I like about them is they fit perfectly flush in the dash, no silly frame around them or anything! - always bugged me that, why are Jap cars headunit slots ever so slightly smaller than European cars? I hate that little frame that has to go round Kenwood/Alpine etc headunits, ruins the whole look!![/quote']

I hear what your saying mate.

I think that the OEM unit is looking a little dated now but then that's exactly what it is OEM. The OEM units look at home in the dashboard and to be honest I was happy with mine that I had in the Bora.

Not expecting any differences between the Skoda and VW units just glad I have some clarification on the steering wheel and maxi dot display.

No time to post at moment as away from home but IMHO your a unit in your car will not display mulidot aor enable steering controls to remain functioning - you really need a b unit and OE TMC unit for easiset solution - will post more detail tommorrow when home

No time to post at moment as away from home but IMHO your a unit in your car will not display mulidot aor enable steering controls to remain functioning - you really need a b unit and OE TMC unit for easiset solution - will post more detail tommorrow when home

Be genuinely interested to hear your info:)

I personaly am led to believe you only need the TMC for the mentioned functions on the 'B' unit, as earlier versions do not need the TMC as they can communicate with the CAN-BUS directly. 'B' versions I believe need the TMC to communicate/translate info for CAN-BUS.

I could of course be totaly wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time:rolleyes: ) but I looked into this heavily when I purchased my unit.

I await your info with baited breath.

Be genuinely interested to hear your info:)

I personaly am led to believe you only need the TMC for the mentioned functions on the 'B' unit' date=' as earlier versions do not need the TMC as they can communicate with the CAN-BUS directly. 'B' versions I believe need the TMC to communicate/translate info for CAN-BUS.

I could of course be totaly wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time:rolleyes: ) but I looked into this heavily when I purchased my unit.

I await your info with baited breath. [/quote']

I am really worried now, am I going to have spent loads of money only needing to spend more?

I am hoping that johnjohnhealy is right here but I will have my unit hopefully this weekend so maybe I will know straight away through actually fitting the unit?

My bubble has been burst!!

Sorry only had a 15min voucher for internet access before...

Sorry but IMHO you WILL have problems with display and controls, the old radio in your Superb (SYMTHONY unit) uses can bus for its display and for steering controls currently.

The "a" navigation version unit uses a 3 lead bus (3LB) for display and a single lead "remote" for steering controls it cannot pass this information via the info Can bus.

Your current steering buttons control unit on your car will be a Can Bus type which is fitted when a SYMTHONY radio unit is fitted.

To get the A navigation working fully will be difficult expensive and may fail IMHO the steering control unit would need replacing to the single lead remote version and a wire running to one of the radio ISO plugs. The display on the A version uses a 3 lead bus and althoulth leads can be run to the appropriate dash socket connections it may need the dash recoding via VAG com assuming the code to convert from CAN to 3LB can be found to enable and even then may be impossible without an appropriate new dash panel.

The easiest option to get all functionality working is a b navigation unit and correct SKODA OE TMC unit (

Sorry only had a 15min voucher for internet access before...

Sorry but IMHO you WILL have problems with display and controls, the old radio in your Superb (SYMTHONY unit) uses can bus for its display and for steering controls currently.

The "a" navigation version unit uses a 3 lead bus (3LB) for display and a single lead "remote" for steering controls it cannot pass this information via the info Can bus.

Your current steering buttons control unit on your car will be a Can Bus type which is fitted when a SYMTHONY radio unit is fitted.

To get the A navigation working fully will be difficult expensive and may fail IMHO the steering control unit would need replacing to the single lead remote version and a wire running to one of the radio ISO plugs. The display on the A version uses a 3 lead bus and althoulth leads can be run to the appropriate dash socket connections it may need the dash recoding via VAG com assuming the code to convert from CAN to 3LB can be found to enable and even then may be impossible without an appropriate new dash panel.

The easiest option to get all functionality working is a b navigation unit and correct SKODA OE TMC unit (

In response to

1. "Are you saying that the worst will happen is that I don't get a display in the dash and the steering wheel controls won't work? "

YES navigation will work fine... you will be frustrated by a blank display not displaying radio channel/CD track info in top segment or navigation directions in the lower. mpg etc will still display.

2. "What does annoy me is that surely when Skoda decided to fit Sat Navs to cars then this 'A' unit must have been specified to work in the car? Or should my Superb never have Sat Nav fitted? Just seems a little silly to me!!"

The A version will and does work with the Superb if at manufacture it was specified the appropriate steering control module and dash panel/coding was fitted to match, and was fitted to early Superbs.

Navigation was not an available option initially on the first UK Superbs although it was was in other countries that used a different OE radio. It may have bacause the set up wiring etc on UK Superb was for info Can and they were waiting for launch of the B navigation unit before allowing it as an available option.

The issue comes because yours is a UK car with SYMTHONY radio IMHO uses CAN bus to be controlled and display in the multidot display. You could get your dealer to check the wiring diagram for a Symthony radio in a superb I bet you will not see a 3LB or single remote wire shown! with this option.

Check what steering module your car has fitted if it ends in "A" IIRC its a single remote lead version in ends in "B" its a 3LB version.

I hope your dealer with his access to diagrams, part nos and technical support has through this knowledge ordered the unit that will work with your cars build wiring configuration.

The sound WILL be fine in the Superb, it is in my Elegance (Not quite as good as the OE Synthony radio though), the sound in the my Octavia with the OE Navigation unit is noticably poorer than with the Symphony Radio.

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As a matter of interest how much is an OE Navigation unit from a Skoda dealer? From www.satnavsystems.com I think they are £599 ish

John

In response to

1. "Are you saying that the worst will happen is that I don't get a display in the dash and the steering wheel controls won't work? "

YES navigation will work fine... you will be frustrated by a blank display not displaying radio channel/CD track info in top segment or navigation directions in the lower. mpg etc will still display.

2. "What does annoy me is that surely when Skoda decided to fit Sat Navs to cars then this 'A' unit must have been specified to work in the car? Or should my Superb never have Sat Nav fitted? Just seems a little silly to me!!"

The A version will and does work with the Superb if at manufacture it was specified the appropriate steering control module and dash panel/coding was fitted to match' date=' and was fitted to early Superbs.

Navigation was not an available option initially on the first UK Superbs although it was was in other countries that used a different OE radio. It may have bacause the set up wiring etc on UK Superb was for info Can and they were waiting for launch of the B navigation unit before allowing it as an available option.

The issue comes because yours is a UK car with SYMTHONY radio IMHO uses CAN bus to be controlled and display in the multidot display. You could get your dealer to check the wiring diagram for a Symthony radio in a superb I bet you will not see a 3LB or single remote wire shown! with this option.

Check what steering module your car has fitted if it ends in "A" IIRC its a single remote lead version in ends in "B" its a 3LB version.

I hope your dealer with his access to diagrams, part nos and technical support has through this knowledge ordered the unit that will work with your cars build wiring configuration.

The sound WILL be fine in the Superb, it is in my Elegance (Not quite as good as the OE Synthony radio though), the sound in the my Octavia with the OE Navigation unit is noticably poorer than with the Symphony Radio.

John[/quote']

I think that I will either have to live without the display and the steering wheel controls then, I didn't have them in the Bora so I will have to live without them in the Skoda.

I assume that the Steering Wheel functions will still illuminate?

Maybe I will see how it goes and then sell the unit if I get no joy with it?

I haven't bought the unit from the dealer but before I ordered it from my supplier I checked with Skoda and they told me the 'A' unit. Do you think I should have a discussion with the dealer on how they intended for me to get an 'A' version to work fully?

You seem to be very knowledgable on this mate!!

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........I assume that the Steering Wheel functions will still illuminate?

Yes

........Maybe I will see how it goes and then sell the unit if I get no joy with it?

It wil be ideal to someone with an Octavia as they have no steering controls or multidot diplay. I understand the A unit doses not have the speller function when inputing streets towns etc i.e it shows all next available letters that form a valid steet town from the letters already input' date=' but thats no big deal.

.....I haven't bought the unit from the dealer but before I ordered it from my supplier I checked with Skoda and they told me the 'A' unit.

That would be correct for an early 2002, Your only hope is...and it may be worth checking the following...

You currently have a lead connected to the green muliplug on the radio on pin 11 (single lead remote)

and secondly leads on pins 8 9 and 10 of the same green connector that are for the 3Lead bus to the dash panel

If any of the above If not :(

......You seem to be very knowledgable on this mate!!

Done lots of frustrating research on the Subect a while ago!!!!/QUOTE']

Oh well at least it will look like the steering wheel functions will work!!

Selling to an Octavia owner sounds like an option and then maybe I can source a 'B' unit.

Something else I will loose then, not having the predictive street / postcode option, liked that on the Bora Sat Nav but hey, not too much of a problem.

So what they have quoted me is correct then as mine is an early 2002 model? But your saying that it still won't work?

I will have to check out what your saying when I get the unit and fit it.

Hmm, interesting.

I thought you were purchasing from your Skoda dealer in which case they would have supplied you with everything to get the unit working (inc TMC if neccesary) I believe the Skoda price is in excess of

Skoda dealer? Err, can't afford it from there!!

I sourced my VW unit from a guy in Poland and I have managed to get him to source me this Skoda unit as well. I checked the part number with Skoda against my chassis number and I didn't expect any problems.

The unit comes with everything you need, the antenna, the harness and the discs all in one package. The condition of the VW unit I bought off him was mint so I should have no worries with this one.

Like you say, I am sure I can clarify everything when the Sat Nav arrives.

Thanks for all your comments though.

Oh well at least it will look like the steering wheel functions will work!! -- lights only!!!!

So what they have quoted me is correct then as mine is an early 2002 model? But your saying that it still won't work? ---- yes thats exactly what I am saying - as I have tried to say if it was fitted at the factory to that chassis no - the build of the wiring' date=' steering control module - radio wiring and possibly the dash panel would have been different .

Sorry if I appear stupid mate, I am only trying to ensure that I have understood peoples posts correctly.

You haven't replied to this thread before so when have you told me about the factory fitment issue?

I thought that johnjohnhealy and stopan1j were answering all the questions?

Anyway, let me fit the unit and then I can confirm the results.

Sorry if I appear stupid mate' date=' I am only trying to ensure that I have understood peoples posts correctly.

You haven't replied to this thread before so when have you told me about the factory fitment issue?

I thought that johnjohnhealy and stopan1j were answering all the questions?

Anyway, let me fit the unit and then I can confirm the results.[/quote']

oops sorry someone else in my family with a Briskoda account had logged on since I posted and I replied on their id by mistake

heres the comment ...

The A version will and does work with the Superb if at manufacture it was specified the appropriate steering control module and dash panel/coding was fitted to match, and was fitted to early Superbs.

Just to keep you guys updated, I should have my unit today or tomorrow and will fit it on Sunday so I will post up some information on Sunday for those that may be interested.