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Stopped for a paper this morning, as I do every day on the way to work! Got back in car and started it up and get the oil can on the dash light up and check oil message.Surely not?! I've had the car@ 3 months, done hardly any miles and @19000 altogether.Brought from main dealer with FSH.Must be sensor issue! No!! Checked the oil and it's on minimum! Gutted.Topped up the oil and took to local independent VW/Skoda garage for check after work.No leaks and nothing obvious wrong! Anyone got any ideas please?!

Cars can use some Oil,

so unless you checked it previously you can not be sure some Technician in a garage had the oil at the correct level.

 

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Had you checked it when you collected the car, or in the 3 months since.?

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No I didn't check it when I brought it or since, as I thought after so few miles and so say having a service before I picked it up it would be okay! I check the oil in my Morris 1000 but that's 50 years old not a low mileage "newish" car but maybe I am a bit naive as I thought by paying more from a main dealer they might have checked the oil level.Makes me wonder what else is not right......

I have seen dealers fill cars upto the bare minimum. This way it saves them a few quid on every oil change by not filling upto happy level.

I'd top the oil up myself that way you know what level it's at.

Then just keep an eye on how much it's used in a month or so.

Once you have the Oil Level correct then you will have something to go by.

 

Since getting the car did you set your own tyre pressures, reset the TPMS,  maybe even check the wheel bolt tightness so that you know you could change a wheel if required.?

 

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK.

In God we trust, in car dealers / technicians we check things ourself.

 

PS

It is seldom a Dealer that does the  Oil & Filter change on a used car, 

it will be an Employee usually,

and if ever one acts as post # 4 suggests and they would try to save on 0.5-1 litre of oil, 

then you are really dealing with some Cr4p Establishment.

 

Often it is a Technician / Fitter that does not know if the level should be checked Hot (operating Temp)

or Cold.

& yet that is their Full Time Job.

Though do note that there is a known issue with the 1.8 and 2.0 TSI engines having out of spec/poorly designed piston rings. (See hoohaa regarding oil consumption in Audis and VWs using the same engines, as it is more widely reported). They all use oil, but some are particularly bad and require replacement pistons and rings to be fitted.

 

You should be under warranty due to main dealer purchase, so don't panic just yet. Make sure you get an accurate level top up to maximum level and then measure consumption to the best of your ability. Note that this engine sump is very sensitive to uneven ground, so find somewhere nice and flat and try to recheck in the same place each time. Min to max mark on the dipstick is around 1 litre. Skoda will allow it to use upto 0.5litres of oil per 621 miles before accepting that ihere is a problem. If you think it is using more than this then take it to Skoda and report it as excessive consumption fault. They will need to perform an official test and, if it does exceed the limit, then will replace pistons & rings at a minimum.

You need to keep an eye on this. As mentioned above the 1.8 TSi has a reputation for drinking oil.

 

There is every chance that the oil level was right when you collected the car.

 

If it is on the MAX mark now keep an eye on the levels.

Some use oil, some don't.  Depends how it was run-in, where you drive, the brand / type of oil and mostly (on VW product) good luck.

 

Top it up and monitor.  I used to check mine every 2 weeks until I got a feel for how much oil it uses.  Now it's every 3 months.

i used to check the TFSI at least once a fortnight if not weekly. VAG engines have a habit of gulping oil and not always at a steady pace.

Mine would use no oil for 4 months then burn off half a litre in two weeks. Did it from new and never seemed to be a problem but you do have to keep an eye on it.

Yep check it regularly if it's a TSI/TFSI - mines not too bad at all but I check every couple of weeks. The 1L bottle I bought when I was serviced 3 months ago is still 1/4 full so think I'm really lucky. But don't rely on the oil warning light!

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Is it best to steer clear of all the TSI engines? or is it just the older cars not the latest cars, as the performance from the latest 1.4 TSI is very impressive!

Is it best to steer clear of all the TSI engines? or is it just the older cars not the latest cars, as the performance from the latest 1.4 TSI is very impressive!

I have a BZB series 1.8tsi.  It's been brilliant.

 

A mate has a 1.2tsi in his Polo.  The engine has been faultless except for coil issues (eventually) fixed under warranty.  The DSG7 is a piece of rubbish though.

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So to get this right, would the latest TSI Octavia be a better buy than the older one? If mine turns out to be a lemon I am not sure what to do! I really like the car but this oil consumption business has really knocked me back.

So to get this right, would the latest TSI Octavia be a better buy than the older one? If mine turns out to be a lemon I am not sure what to do! I really like the car but this oil consumption business has really knocked me back.

I wouldn't worry too much until you know you have an issue.  

 

If it likes a drink you can always swap to 502.00 spec 5w-40 on fixed service intervals.  That usually helps.

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As has been suggested I've been monitoring the oil as best as I can, although I have found it difficult to get an accurate reading on the dipstick( that's probably me though!).From my rough readings I've done @300 miles on just under a litre of oil.I think I am going to book the car into the garage just for peace of mind if anything! There's definitely something wrong and I want to know what it is.

As has been suggested I've been monitoring the oil as best as I can, although I have found it difficult to get an accurate reading on the dipstick( that's probably me though!).From my rough readings I've done @300 miles on just under a litre of oil.I think I am going to book the car into the garage just for peace of mind if anything! There's definitely something wrong and I want to know what it is.

300miles /L is unnaceptable.  

 

Definitely needs looking at.  If there's anything major suggest you get Skoda to look as they might offer some goodwill on the repair.

 

Hopefully it's something simple like the PCV system.

Skoda the company or VW. Do not say 1 litre in 500 miles is Ok. They say. "may use

.5 litre in 1000km. 621 Miles. Which does not mean 1 litre in 1,242 miles of normal driving is acceptable

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"It is normal for the engine to consume oil. The oil consumption may be as much as 0.5 Lit/1000 km depending on your style of driving and the conditions under which you operate your vehicle. The oil consumption may be slightly higher than this during the first 5000 kilometers. One should therefore check the oil level at regular intervals, preferably every time after the fuel tank is filled or after driving for long stretches....."

Had the 0.5 litre/1000km bit quoted to me at the main dealer today( the above is copied from an official Skoda website) when I took the car in to be checked for excessive oil consumption and told it will cost me £102 to check for faults before the warranty kicks in! I am worried....

Raise a case with Skoda UK Customer Services.

Before a Dealership does an Official Oil Consumption test,

Dropping the Oil, and Changing it, fitting a new filter, bringing it to operating Temperature & then dropping and Weighing the OIl.

1 Litre 857 Grams.

Then Refilling and you doing 300km (186 miles) or 600 km,  and them then dropping the Oil and weighing 

and calculating the difference and equating to 100o km (621 miles)

 

They can simply check the oil level as they do on a Dipstick,  10 minutes of the Master Techs time.

Tape over your Filler Cap and Dipstick and you drive 1,242 miles at your own leisure, 

go back, they remove the tape and Dip it.

10 minutes of the Master Techs time.

& the Master Tech can then Recommend an Official Test and the cost can be covered when the Warranty 

or Skoda pay £4,500 to get a new engine fitted.

 

If the warning light comes on before 1000 km is covered then the Engine is bad.

If no light comes on, but the car needs 1 litre topping up, 

there 0.5 litres per 1000 km means nothing.

 

May Use.

But you are not in High Summer crossing Mountain Passes or Towing etc etc 

*You are in the UK commuting to work and shops and driving at UK NSL's*

So no 'depending on style of driving or conditions' making the engine drink oil at a ridiculous rate.

Their VW/ Audi/ Skoda/ Seat Owners manuals say 0.5 litres for 3 & 4 Cylinder Engines Petrol & Diesel from 60 ps to 280 ps and that does not mean it is acceptable.  

 

Skoda UK's Brand Director Alasdair Stewart would not accept having to put 1 litre of Oil in a Skoda every 2 or 3 tanks of Fuel, or 8 times plus between annual services / Oil Changes.

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I am now returning the car to the main dealer where I brought it for them to sort it out.After yesterday being told it would £102 to check it over to find what's wrong,today I get a phone call saying they need to do an oil compression test which costs £250! I have a Two year Skoda UK warranty on the car, so I phone the dealer where I brought it and explain this and am told that even though it's a Skoda main dealer here they will try and make as much money out of you as possible!

As I've previously mentioned the car packed up on me just after I brought it and I was towed in by the RAC to the same dealer who fixed the car for no payment by me and certainly no initial £102 inspection fee! How come they want it one day but not another?! And to top it all today when I told them not to do the test and how much do I owe them.The answer..... Nothing because they haven't done anything!! So how do they decide I need that test if they haven't even looked at the car?!

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So what was the issue just after you bought it that required being towed to the dealer by the RAC? 

I can not see mention of that here, sorry if i have missed it.

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The car wouldn't start again after I stopped for a paper(There's a pattern here!) and the RAC bloke couldn't find anything but sent me into panic mode by telling me all sorts! Turned out it was a fuel pump fuse after the car was towed to main dealer.

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