Lane Assist Tracking

[Garnett]

Hi - just noticed that I have a worn front tyre on the outside edge. Just done 120000 since new. I have been told that this is a main dealer job to check the tracking because it needs to be plugged in for the lane assist. Has anyone else had experience with this? I have VCDS but I don't think it is part of this.

Thanks

Garnett

[skd12]

I've seen the lane assist mentioned when people talk about wheel alignment here on the forums so best have a search around.

 

http://www.pro-align.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/VW_Group-Booklet.pdf

 

This brochure mentions LDW - lane departure warning - which is similar to our lane assist.

[MrAdamwood]

A straight forward wheel alignment/tracking won't cause any problems. As it's just small adjustments of track rod ends and other adjusters, But if repairs were to be carried out or parts replaced because something was bent the steering angle sensor may need calibration.

[Mallettsmallett]

I've had my tracking checked and adjusted at a fairly reputable tyre place and no one mentioned anything about that. No issues with the lane assist stuff after.

[Garnett]

I have been to 4 different ones today. All national names. All with 4 wheel tracking. None would touch it as they say that adjustment would throw off the lane assist. I have just emailed Hunter to ask them.

 

Main dealer say only they can do it. I understand this but 2-3 weeks for a booking is silly for something that is normally a drive in while you wait job!

 

My local guy put the laser tools on and told me that it was toe in 4mm. He would not adjust it and didn't know if that was wrong but thought it may be.

[sworrall]

mine was out causing sawtoothed tyres at the back.  It was adjusted on a hunter rig and didn't need anything doing for the lane assist and ACC although I was a little nervous!

[Garnett]

I think it would be useful if we had a definitive answer on this. I phoned Kwikfit and they said yes but when I got there they said they would not do it.

 

These guys are not known for turning away business. Incidentally I have just noticed the spelling correction my computer wants to do to Kwikfit - #*ckwit is the alternative spelling which doesn't inspire confidence!

[mberger]

Hi - just noticed that I have a worn front tyre on the outside edge. Just done 120000 since new.

Personally I think that's pretty good going!

[Garnett]

Perhaps one zero to many!

[MrAdamwood]

When you went to these places did you say " can I have my wheel alignment done please"... And they said "no as it's got lane control." Or did you say " will my car having lane control affect you doing my wheel alignment?" ..... And then they said they didn't want to touch it?

Don't take it to a national one anyway they are all a bunch of monkies who will just adjust your car to within tolerance or as close as they can. If you take it to a private reputable garage, decent body shop/crash repairer, or other specialist they will be able to adjust it right to the exact spec needed if there's nothing bent or damaged it won't affect any onboard systems or need calibrating. There are no warnings in the manual to have systems checked after wheel alignment... I really think you are looking yo far into it.

If it's wearing the tyres, get it done but be aware that once a tyre had started to wear it will continue to wear but just at a slower rate.

[Garnett]

Hi

 

No it was the other way around actually.

 

My local guy who I trust checked the toe for free but said he can't adjust it. When I went to the Hunter places they put the reg in and came back and told me main dealer only for this.

 

Since then I have now had a conversation with both Skoda UK and Hunter. Hunter sell a machine that requires a plug in alignment board to be purchased from VAG. Despite my local Skoda Dealer saying they could do it they have now called to say they cant. The local VAG body repair shop was the most useful one. They have the Hunter Kit and have just purchased the Porche board and plug in kit but are waiting to be trained. Apparently it is safe to adjust active cruise control cars with a Hunter System, but if you have Lane Assist then it is dangerous to do it. Apparently the Hunter system adjusts the rear alignment first then the front. It is the rear adjustment that causes the problem.

 

I am currently waiting for a call back from the VW main dealer who may be able to help.

 

It sounds like a bit of a problem if Hunter are to be believed.

[Garnett]

Okay - here is the Latest from Skoda.

 

There is not a Skoda Dealer within 100 miles of me that can do my car tracking.

 

The procedure is that they take my car in and plug in their diagnostic equipment. They contact Skoda UK who download an update to their laptop. The engineer then has to take the car to the nearest VAG Dealer with the equipment along with their laptop and plug it in and do the setup.

 

This sounds like it is going to cost me a fortune! The VW garage wont talk to me about Skoda either so no shortcut that way.

 

This all sounds rather silly!

[mberger]

I think this is all to do with resetting the steering angle sensors - if it is you should try to find a Hunter-equipped garage that has Codelink.

[Exeterj]

Hi Garnett - be interested in where / who you've tried (i know you're in Devon also), as thought i caught a kerb yesterday and was thinking about getting tracking checked. I was impressed by Pro-tyre in Exeter last time i took the wife old CRV in there.

[MrAdamwood]

The steering angle sensors won't need resetting if the steering wheel is set straight before the wheel alignment is done, lane control and other systems use the steering angle sensors to monitor the direction the steering wheel is pointing not the wheels so as I said before aslong as nothing is bent or damaged a straight forward wheel alignment will not cause an issue because what you are actually doing is straightening the wheels to be more true than they currently are.....the key is to use a garage that is going to set the steering wheel exactly straight.

[Garnett]

Hi Jamie

 

I was sent to Protyre but they said they definitely could not do this one

 

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[Gromle]

This sounds like it is going to cost me a fortune! The VW garage wont talk to me about Skoda either so no shortcut that way.

This all sounds rather silly!

Im glad its the same firm who sells skoda, Audi and vw here. Same dealerships and same garages.

[Garnett]

Okay got it sorted.

 

I just had it put on a Hunter Machine. It was plugged in and it came up saying that it had ACC and Lane Assist with loads of cautions about working on it and the need for a VAG box to go with it. It also said that if it was one wheel only and within 5 degrees with no obvious damage that they could proceed with the correction which they did.

 

One rather annoying thing is that the machine insists that the tyre wear is uniform between sides (within 2mm). My tracking problem had half eaten a new tyre in three months and completely stripped the other side so that had to be factored in.

 

Jamie - AMS in Newton Abbot did mine. They have the same machine in Exeter and Paignton but not Torquay.

 

I will now have a completely new respect for speed bumps!

 

Anthony

[meb90]

I'm confused by all of this. I had my VRS tracked within a few months of me collecting it (argument with Skoda, not relevant here). My local dealer said they couldn't do it (only the front wheels), but I could take it elsewhere.

 

I took it to Demon Tweeks in Wrexham who have a Hunter 4 wheel rig and they had no issues, never mentioned anything to me. The lane assist has worked fine ever since. They only made one or two small changes.

[Garnett]

Yes - having watched the whole process the Hunter Rig can let you do it.

 

When it plugs in it goes into a lot of detail about the specification of the car. It actually comes up with two tick boxes that ask if the car has ACC and Lane Assist. When you tick them it comes up with a warning saying that you need a VAG Box if you are doing a full realignment. It then allows you to run the test and says that if one front wheel is within 5 degrees it can be corrected. That was the case with mine.

 

It is going to be more interesting with accident damage. On my travels I got put in touch with an approved VAG repairer. They have the Hunter Kit and knew about the problem because they had just purchased the Porsche VAG Box to go with the machine and had to go on a two day course to use it. They were expecting to get the Skoda equivalent later this year.

[octavia5]

This is a link to the tool set they need to use 

 

http://hella-gutmann.co.uk/product/csc-tool/

[octavia5]

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This is a link to the tool set they need to use 

 

http://hella-gutmann.co.uk/product/csc-tool/

 

Post 14 in this thread gives a little more detail

 

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7698&highlight=alignment

[superflygti]

Bingo!!

 

Here is an official document to show your garages if they are trying to fleece you for a Lan Assist camera calibration for adjusting your front toe.

 

See here:

http://www.natef.org/NATEF/media/NATEFMedia/2015 ASEIEA Conference/Audi/Drivers-Assistance-TRG-013014.pdf

 

See page 82 (86 in pdf) “Reasons to Calibrate the Lane Assist System”

 

I recently had a garage tell me i have to pay them £150 to calibrate my lane assist system after checking my alignment on a Hunter 4 wheel alignment and finding my front toe was out by 0.1deg left and right 0.2deg total toe out, all other measures were in spec.

This Audi document clearly states the following:

 

Reasons to Calibrate the Lane Assist System

► The Fault Memory Contains the Entry “No or Incorrect Basic Settings/Adaption.”

► Directional Stabilization Assistance Control Module J759 has been Replaced

► The Windshield has been Replaced or Removed.

► Rear Axle Toe has been adjusted.

► Modifications affecting body height have been made to the vehicle suspension system.

► The Level Sensors on Vehicles with Damping Control or Air Suspension have been Re-adapted.