^^^^^ as a fellow lover of L.J.K.Setright’s straight 6 preference, I understand your pain, but for some of us electric performance is an alternative attraction also.

For us in the sunburnt country and having a garage, it is simply so obviously suitable to our way of life as to make the most desirable of complex machinery seem simply wasteful in every sense. 

Dealerships will be hoping you are right but fearing the worst.   Kids doing trades will be a declining % I’m thinking, and they are the ones most likely to be ICE fans and that’s the trend dealers will fear unless they embrace EVs also.

https://electrek.co/2019/02/15/volkswagen-co2-neutral-electric-cars-production/

 

let the arguments begin 

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

https://electrek.co/2019/02/15/volkswagen-co2-neutral-electric-cars-production/

 

let the arguments begin 

 

        That article seems to relate to the PRODUCTION line, not the end product, and is the location of that production place not outside Germany?.  And I still maintain electric vehicles as we know them at present can't replace I C E  ones due to their  inhibitions of where able to be charged and  duration of running on battery power. Imagine a  miles long hold-up on a motorway, which often happens, and an all electric vehicle's power runs out, the clogging up of stranded vehicles beggars belief, and how could they get restarted?.

Just now, Tony R said:

 

        That article seems to relate to the PRODUCTION line, not the end product, and is the location of that production place not outside Germany?.  And I still maintain electric vehicles as we know them at present can't replace I C E  ones due to their  inhibitions of where able to be charged and  duration of running on battery power. Imagine a  miles long hold-up on a motorway, which often happens, and an all electric vehicle's power runs out, the clogging up of stranded vehicles beggars belief, and how could they get restarted?.

For a 2 car family with garage in a sunny country and with 4-500 km range, it’s a slam dunk, and by the time we are happy with just one it’ll still be the one to hang on to.

By that time Infrastructure will be everywhere.

@Tony R

Just imagine if a few inches of snow fell in the south of the UK and traffic ground to a halt.

Never happens....

 

 

Of just imagine as now that often there are miles of slow moving traffic all with their engines running and pollution levels are so high that for generations people will die prematurely and it will be those not even born yet that will be paying the cost of pollution.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-customer-plans-take-diesel-case-germanys-highest-court

Now BMW charges -

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121722_germany-fines-bmw-over-diesel-emissions

Mercedes diesel emits ZERO NOx -

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/new-diesels-emit-almost-no-fumes-117149/

Almost none & Zero are not the same thing are they?

Under tests that Mercedes engine is what they are talking about and 'Zero Nox'.

The ADAC are who have the rather questionable results with tests of VW Group vehicles that have had the Emissions Fix'. 

VW used them as some sort of publicity to show no loss of power.

 

RDE should be done with the seats and boot full and the car at revenue weight, & the Stop / Start inhibited / OFF.

Just as a Mercedes or other German Manufactured cars might be used in Germany & other countries as a Taxi.

 

Edited 5 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

I'd question anything that ADAC put out as fact as they appear to be in the pocket of the manufacturers

1 hour ago, Skoffski said:

Almost none & Zero are not the same thing are they?

Under tests that Mercedes engine is what they are talking about and 'Zero Nox'.

The ADAC are who have the rather questionable results with tests of VW Group vehicles that have had the Emissions Fix'. 

VW used them as some sort of publicity to show no loss of power.

 

RDE should be done with the seats and boot full and the car at revenue weight, & the Stop / Start inhibited / OFF.

Just as a Mercedes or other German Manufactured cars might be used in Germany & other countries as a Taxi.

 

When I was thinking of a Jag XJ, I visited a  Jag showroom and was given a sheet prepared by that company that their  diesels Euro 6  are so improved that they produce  very low  Co2  , so much so overall they are cleaner than petrol engines and that major cities in the world will plead with diesels to come  back so as to reduce their climbing levels of pollution. Old diesels may be problematical but Euro 6 ones appear to be acceptable, even by Citizen Khan  with his new onslaught on car owners in London.  Whether  dpf's  continue to be a problem if used at low speeds etc or whether Adblu solves THAT problem.

I have a 2016 Euro 6 2.0TDI SCR / DSG Seat Alhambra.

Which i no longer used for short trips and which will not be doing many between now and handing it back.

 

After a few AdBlue fill ups it basically just sips it now. 

Lots of range shows. More range from topping up to the next topping up.  (not faulty, just the last of VW's greatest cheaters.)

Around town for about 5 days of just a few miles several times a day and it has a 'DPF' warning light and needs taken for a 15 mile run.

Before that it is reggening regularly.

It can do 60 mpg on runs, and 20 mpg as a run about. (round the doors.)

 

It is Kidology with VW and many others over SCR / AdBlue and Euro 6 and now the WLTP Approval. 

Edited 5 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

7 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

I have a 2016 Euro 6 2.0TDI SCR / DSG Seat Alhambra.

Which i no longer used for short trips and which will not be doing many between now and handing it back.

 

After a few AdBlue fill ups it basically just sips it now. 

Lots of range shows. More range from topping up to the next topping up.  (not faulty, just the last of VW's greatest cheaters.)

Around town for about 5 days of just a few miles several times a day and it has a 'DPF' warning light and needs taken for a 15 mile run.

Before that it is reggening regularly.

It can do 60 mpg on runs, and 20 mpg as a run about. (round the doors.)

 

It is Kidology with VW and many others over SCR / AdBlue and Euro 6 and now the WLTP Approval. 

Thanks, very interesting, what you are saying  is don't trust what we are told  re diesel Euro 6 ?.  Last evening I bumped into a friend who used to have  more exotic cars, Porsche, Audi, Alfa Romeo's etc but who now has a Kodiaq, VERY nice  and 2 ltr  petrol, which apparently is no longer produced by Skoda. 1.4  not made anymore and we read the replacement 1.5 is an utter disaster.,  hence my toying with diesel 2 ltr ?.  Manual , as I am told the VAG  DSG  causes problems, expensive to resolve and has  even caused Audi's to be written off as not economic to repair.

There is nothing wrong with 6 speed wet DSG's other than VW could not manipulate Emissions under testing to their liking and needs.

The 7 speed wet should be perfect, but tie will tell, still 40,000 mile oil changes, 38,000 when in an Audi and called S-tronic....

It takes 4 or 5 years until you know how VW do at over 3 years old....

 

DQ200's DSG's just keep having issues and it can not be long until VW have to discontinue them.

 

Ford do 10 speed automatics now, even in smaller vehicles,

something VW spin doctors spoke enough about, and 11 speeds, but then VW often spin about Technology they wish they could perfect.

Edited 5 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Interesting comment in general by VW

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/emissions-regulations-will-kill-city-cars-says-volkswagen

 

Give VW a few more years and they will catch up other Manufacturers and have Small EV's for Cities at affordable prices.

 Skoda will let them copy the Klement.  Sorted. Just maybe not in the EU or the UK.

1 minute ago, Skoffski said:

Give VW a few more years and they will catch up other Manufacturers and have Small EV's for Cities at affordable prices.

 Skoda will let them copy the Klement.  Sorted. Just maybe not in the EU or the UK.

That looks like your Speedway M/C George. A winner !

If Skoda went conventional autos I’d be back, at least looking.

The ZF 8 speed is scrumptious and fine economy too.

Thinks.........

but then, for us, why not a long range battery ?.

Again, I can’t think of a reason .

Edited 5 March, 20197 yr by Ryeman

18 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

If Skoda went conventional autos I’d be back, at least looking.

The ZF 8 speed is scrumptious and fine economy too.

Thinks.........

but then, for us, why not a long range battery ?.

Again, I can’t think of a reason .

Long range battery, I assume at present does not exist and  would be very expensive.  May come about in time but the charging time  could well be  extensive, and I still cannot dismiss from my mind the problem of motorway hold-up, some which go on for hours, inching forward a yard at a time. That must deplete battery power and with no chance of re-charging . A good business to get into would  be a breakdown rescue one?. THE future would better  lay in hydrogen powered vehicles ?  Also apparently, battery powered vehicles have a problem of overheating, hence the battery compartment has to be kept cooled?

2 minutes ago, Tony R said:

Long range battery, I assume at present does not exist and  would be very expensive.  May come about in time but the charging time  could well be  extensive, and I still cannot dismiss from my mind the problem of motorway hold-up, some which go on for hours, inching forward a yard at a time. That must deplete battery power and with no chance of re-charging . A good business to get into would  be a breakdown rescue one?. THE future would better  lay in hydrogen powered vehicles ?  Also apparently, battery powered vehicles have a problem of overheating, hence the battery compartment has to be kept cooled?

Interesting questions abound re comparative outcomes from different scenarios.

Does it come down to energy consumed per km/mile?.

With no aero drag and a single speed drive ............... hmmm.      ?

We’re probably going to have a second C4P in the garage if only because a top-of-the-range one with full warranty til 10/21 - with just 12K for just £9k - and a changeover from the Astra for ~ £1k - makes a Niro Electric seem ridiculously expensive, if the intention is to reduce total costs.

The reason i am going to have an EV is because i need a car anyway & have given up on running old ones or character filled ones after doing that for a few decades,

and if  for every 250 miles or so i have not to  pay £30 for petrol each time & not pay for the electricity to charge it that will suit me.

 

1 minute ago, Skoffski said:

The reason i am going to have an EV is because i need a car anyway & have given up on running old ones or character filled ones after doing that for a few decades,

and if  for every 250 miles or so i have not to  pay £30 for petrol each time & not pay for the electricity to charge it that will suit me.

 

I guess that’ll be a new ‘adventure’ George.   Logistics can be fun after all.

I will have a diesel pickup for that. A non SCR.   I want to save money not the world!

Who can rely on just EV's or no brown outs...

Edited 5 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

9 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

I will have a diesel pickup for that. A non SCR.   I want to save money not the world!

Who can rely on just EV's or no brown outs...

Be a good chap George and send us some rain clouds please.