Going back to the original question, let me start by saying that I don't know the answer.  But I can feed in some thoughts that might help get us there. 

 

In the case of a rear wheel drive car, where the speed sensor for the cruise control is on the front wheels, you can understand how the problem arises.  As the car starts to aquaplane, the front wheels slow down.  So the cruise control applies more power to restore speed. 

 

In the yeti, I suppose (others may know?) the speed is also sensed off the front wheels, but in this case they are driven - so the feedback disconnection that occurs in a rear-drive car is not present.

On a couple of occasions I've hit some unexpected standing water in my Octavia while driving on cruise control. You can feel the extra drag and then cruise control disengages automatically (possibly when the ASR or ESC kicks in) and the car slows.

I won't use it in really bad weather, but if it's just normal wet weather then I have no problems with it.

If it's icy, then it definitely would feel too risky to me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I cannot see the point of cruise control on the roads in the UK.

 

I wonder how many accidents are caused by people with CC on?

I find this amazing. I use cruise control mainly so that I can keep my eye on the road rather than the speedo. This applies frequently for all speed limits 70mph down to and including 30mph. I consider myself capable of skilled safety-enhancing use of the device which does not include cruising at high speed and oblivious to all that is happening. When there is an opportunity to use it for long distance cruising then I think it makes for less tiring and hence more safe driving. On my journeys to Scotland there are frequent opportunities to use it as a cruise control. I can see how it could be abused and misused but that applies to most controls on a modern sophisticated vehicle. I'm over 70 and consider myself to be an alert skilled driver who enjoys all the sophistication and power of a 170 elegance. When that assessment ceases, I stop driving.

I find this amazing.

 

You shouldn’t

 

What you should find amazing is how some drivers can:

 

a/ fail to stick to a constant speed (overtake them with CC set and you are playing a constant leap frog game with them!)

b/ think it’s perfectly acceptable to drive in the dusk with DRL’s on (when their car has no rear DRL’s)

c/ fail to notice it’s dark and turn any of their lights on (non DRL’s cars)

d/ rely on their car to do everything for them... turn lights on, warn them they have a flat tyre, there is no oil left in the sump etc.

 

Generally the standard of drivers nowadays is pretty shocking.

Llanigraham,  Evidence of Prosecution or evidence of a successful conviction, which is a different thing?

I can find you that, but a big grown up person like you can easily find it yourself.

I know the cases and the people involved, and its not an internet myth.

I have been there when the vehicles were recovered,

& 'It was in Scotland Fin69'.

 

If a person is interviewed after a RTA and gives the statement that they were not aware of the conditions and they were travelling at the speed they were with Cruise Control on and then the next thing they knew they were out of control. you can see where it might be themselves 

saying exactly what had happened, they were quite possibly not driving to the conditions.

 

Today would be a very stupid day to be turning on CC on many of the rather wet and flooded trunk roads in Scotland.

Putting Lights on this morning and slowing down might be a good idea for many.

There have been a few accidents over night and this morning already.

 

http://trafficscotland.org

http://trafficscotland.org/currentincidents

 

 

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100,000 miles a year is a lot of sitting at a steering wheel.

getting on for over 2,000 miles a working week and leisure time and Cruise Control would be high on my list of important things.

 

In other words you can't prove it.

What a surprise!!

You shouldn’t

 

What you should find amazing is how some drivers can:

 

a/ fail to stick to a constant speed (overtake them with CC set and you are playing a constant leap frog game with them!)

b/ think it’s perfectly acceptable to drive in the dusk with DRL’s on (when their car has no rear DRL’s)

c/ fail to notice it’s dark and turn any of their lights on (non DRL’s cars)

d/ rely on their car to do everything for them... turn lights on, warn them they have a flat tyre, there is no oil left in the sump etc.

 

Generally the standard of drivers nowadays is pretty shocking.

I agree with all you say. What I found amazing was the op's aversion to having a cruise control and not seeing the point of having one in the UK

I would have thought that any activation of ESP/DSC would cancel the cc in the same way the brake lights do.

I commend you sir on the use of the word "have" instead of the increasing

use of  "of".

 

Fred

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by g6zru

I agree with all you say. What I found amazing was the op's aversion to having a cruise control and not seeing the point of having one in the UK

You obviously haven't driven inside the M25.

Ah, the time honoured tradition of having no use for it yourself, so being unable to comprehend anyone else that can.

Yes, I totally agree that if you only use your car to commute in London then it's not going to get much use (though I've used it on the a40 a lot) but that is not the same for much of the rest of the U.K.

I use mine every day on the way to work, and have done long motorway journeys where it stays on for a hundred miles at a time.

You obviously haven't driven inside the M25.

 

Almost daily... A1, A13, A23, A40 to name just a few of the more popular routes, it is much less stressful to set the CC to the speed limit and then concentrate (more) on what all the muppets around you are doing.

 

People who tend not to use CC commonly claim they do not feel in control of the car! 

CC does however require you to be more aware of what is going on around you, so you can flick it off without having to constantly brake.

Almost daily... A1, A13, A23, A40 to name just a few of the more popular routes, it is much less stressful to set the CC to the speed limit and then concentrate (more) on what all the muppets around you are doing.

 

People who tend not to use CC commonly claim they do not feel in control of the car! 

CC does however require you to be more aware of what is going on around you, so you can flick it off without having to constantly brake.

'all the muppets'....don't you just love it when someone thinks they are the best driver in the world 

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by DonjSZ5

'all the muppets'....don't you just love it when someone thinks they are the best driver in the world 

 

FAR from it, but sitting in a higher position gives you an ideal view of all the ‘kin stupid/dangerous things these muppets do! 

 

(if you notice I said all the muppets rather than implied that everyone else was a muppet, as I do 100K+ miles PA I tend to see a good dozen or so muppets daily)

Almost daily... A1, A13, A23, A40 to name just a few of the more popular routes, it is much less stressful to set the CC to the speed limit and then concentrate (more) on what all the muppets around you are doing.

 

People who tend not to use CC commonly claim they do not feel in control of the car! 

CC does however require you to be more aware of what is going on around you, so you can flick it off without having to constantly brake.

I find it much easier just to concentration on driving, only having to worry about the almost automatic application of the brake pedal rather than having to switch somethings on and off every couple of minutes.

anyone for tennis...

This topic has dived off down a wormhole, but thanks for all the contributions, some were helpful.

 

Mike

This topic has dived off down a wormhole, ...

 

Typical of we Yetiists, as you'll find if you stick around, Mike

Llanigraham, 

I will get you the proof you need, as i said i knew the people that were being prosecuted, and the Area and Prosecutor Fiscal that was bring 

the cases against them.

I will see if i get the court records or the Newspaper coverage if there is still, it was pre-internet days, but i know the case was covered 

and the records are at least in the Library in Bound Copies, but now i think i can find them.

If i need to photocopy anything i will be sure you get a copy.

 

Now as a favour to me, please next time you haver a load of sharn, 

you come up with the proof.

 

EDIT.

I have found 2 convictions from last year with Young Drivers and excessive speed and loss of control,

1 on the M90 and one on the A9,  no mention on these 2 of the Cruise Control, but that was possibly in the original charges,

but these are in the same Police Areas as the Incidents and Prosecutions i know of, and there is another 

recent Very Excessive Speed case, still ongoing i think and the Evidence involves the Cruise Control 

being set as Expert witness evidence i believe, but until i can show you proof we will just go with the Welsh 

Way, No see no happened.  So Proof as soon as.

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

 

Now as a favour to me, please next time you haver a load of sharn, 

you come up with the proof.

Can we get a translation into English please?

In the not too distant past I read of an Australian driver loosing control whilst driving in heavy rain whilst cc was engaged. The car appeared to speed up which I believe caused it to aquaplane and the rest is as they say history

 

Could this happen with the cc system on the Yeti and if so can anyone explain the reason.

 

Thanks

 

Mike

 

That was answered by my post below that seems to be ignored because it's not the answer the anti CC brigade want, CC holds a steady speed not throttle position so the only way the vehicle will speed up is if going down a steep incline that overcomes engine braking. But in those conditions the driver would (or should) be aware that braking would be needed.

Some of us are confident enough to rely on CC while others are not and they do not have to use it, it's as simple as that.

 

Most if not all accidents attributed to cruise control are really the driver not knowing how to use cruise control properly.

Cruise control holds a constant speed not a constant throttle that will spin wheels if grip is reduced, if there is a problem with that the driver should have taken action to regain control not blame CC for their failing.

I use CC probably 90% of the time and find it 2nd nature probably because of years of driving heavy plant where that was the normal way of driving.

I do believe that a woman in America had an accident where she had CC on and went into the back of the motor caravan to make a cup of tea thus having an accident pretty soon after. She then tried to claim against the manufacturer for not warning her about that in the handbook.

 

The same people that do not understand CC are also generally those that say the car accelerates when on a patch of ice or slippery road.

Haver and sharn have very clear English meanings.

You obviously haven't driven inside the M25.

I certainly have not and have zero intention of doing so. Driving south of Kendal is for me something to be avoided )

I find it much easier just to concentration on driving, only having to worry about the almost automatic application of the brake pedal rather than having to switch somethings on and off every couple of minutes.

 

That's my view as well.

 

I have to admit I'm in the  "tend not to use CC commonly claim they do not feel in control of the car" camp but can fully understand what a benefit it is for those who frequently do long motorway journeys and they are happy using it. If other drivers were more consistent I'd be more relaxed about using it but on our crowded motorways that's rarely the case for me. In a previous car I did use it during those long 50mph average speed zones on the M1 when taking my son backwards and forwards to York Uni. and it worked pretty well but you still had drivers in front varying their speed for no good reason causing me to brake/de-activate the CC.

 

Also what I don't like in the Yeti (MY2016) is the piddling little switch for turning the CC on and off, not the best for finding and operating quickly. At least in my previous cars you just pushed/pulled the whole lever.

Llanigraham, 

I will get you the proof you need, as i said i knew the people that were being prosecuted, and the Area and Prosecutor Fiscal that was bring 

the cases against them.

I will see if i get the court records or the Newspaper coverage if there is still, it was pre-internet days, but i know the case was covered 

and the records are at least in the Library in Bound Copies, but now i think i can find them.

If i need to photocopy anything i will be sure you get a copy.

 

Now as a favour to me, please next time you haver a load of sharn, 

you come up with the proof.

 

EDIT.

I have found 2 convictions from last year with Young Drivers and excessive speed and loss of control,

1 on the M90 and one on the A9,  no mention on these 2 of the Cruise Control, but that was possibly in the original charges,

but these are in the same Police Areas as the Incidents and Prosecutions i know of, and there is another 

recent Very Excessive Speed case, still ongoing i think and the Evidence involves the Cruise Control 

being set as Expert witness evidence i believe, but until i can show you proof we will just go with the Welsh 

Way, No see no happened.  So Proof as soon as.

 

One word disproves your statement. I've highlighted it for you.

 

Another troll added to my Ignore list!

PMSL,

How often have you added me just this year?

 

Your memory might be going, but mine is not and as i told you, 

i will give you the proof you asked for on the people i know that were being prosecuted,

because as i said i was there after the fact.

I was not at the recent incidents, and do not know those people involved.

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Your memory might be going, but mine is not and as i told you, 

i will give you the proof you asked for on the people i know that were being prosecuted,

because as i said i was there after the fact.

 

I'm looking forward to that, don't forget it has to be for them to charged with driving with cruise control engaged in hazardous conditions not driving without due care or dangerous driving (that has nothing to do with the CC).

It has to be that CC has caused the accident (good luck with that).

Also accusing others of talking nonsense and babble is not doing much for your credibility.