So scathing.

Yes i know what the Summons said when they were served, i just dont know what the Prosecutor Fiscal went with in court,

i suspect the Careless Driving rather than Dangerous and dropping any mention of Cruise Control.

But we will see will we not when i find them.

 

At the moment the only Scottish ones i can see are Cases of Fatalities where one or another driver had Cruise Control Activated.,

and the numerous ones where there were Convictions in England or Dangerous Driving with cases of 

drivers ploughing in to stationary or slow moving vehicles, mostly HGV's,

which is not the same as i was talking about, 

those were were people just never reacted to the vehicles on the road and never braked,

or some claim in court they did and the brakes did not work.

What i am talking about are Accidents that had no fatalities by investigations into the cause of the incident.

 

PS

Cruise Control does not cause an accident, a vehicles driver causes an accident or incident,

and inappropriate speed, or lack of control or lack of paying attention to conditions and the vehicle.

ie Careless Driving, or Dangerous driving, failing to control a vehicle safely.

Edited 29 November, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

I'm amazed that this discussion took so long to discuss the application of common sense.

I'm amazed that this discussion took so long to discuss the application of common sense.

If I can explain to you what was in my mind with the original question as we seem to be far removed from it, then perhaps you will have a different approach.

 

I was driving S on the M9 in a fine day, dry road, light wind, ex vis. I had just negotiated the Keir Rbt at Dunblane, the S bound direction takes a fairly decent descent down towards the R Forth. About 400m S from the rbt I suddenly found a wide swathe of running water going across the carraigeway from hardshoulder to No. 2 lane, ie high potential of aquaplaning, I met it with cc engaged. As it transpired everything was steady and controlled with no probelms. Now as everyone knows it is tatamount to poor driving skills to brake hard in standing water, by all means brake hard if you must before, but come off before you enter the water. In the  situation that I found, ie being unexpectedly presented with a potential grip problem, my question was what could or should I expect the car's response to be.

I suppose a session on a skid pan might provide an answer.

 

Mike 

my question was what could or should I expect the car's response to be.

 

Mike 

 

As I explained in post #11 Cruise Control holds a steady "speed", not throttle position so if loosing traction it will not speed up the driven wheels.

I take it some think it will based on very early crude CC of sorts that did hold a throttle position, with that if traction is lost the driven wheels would have speeded up as it is holding torque not speed.

On a couple of occasions I've hit some unexpected standing water in my Octavia while driving on cruise control. You can feel the extra drag and then cruise control disengages automatically (possibly when the ASR or ESC kicks in) and the car slows.

 

 

 

This happens in the Yeti too

 

It is related to the use of the wheel sensors for ESP. When at least one sensor picks up a loss of traction, CC will disengage.

Hi Wardy,

 

Thanks for that, makes sense.

 

Mike

During our hot dry summers we get the odd thunder storm which has the potential to wash grit/sand/gravel off a side road on a twisting road which is completely dry otherwise.

Under such circumstances, grip can't be taken for granted even if you drive the road regularly.

If I can't see clearly the road ahead I cancel cc.

All cars sold in Australia have esp/dsc fitted as standard and the standard procedure is to NOT modulate the braking .......slam them on, the computer knows best and reacts far faster, on each of the 4 wheels separately, than we can.

I'm old fashioned though, and have difficulty overcoming decades of 'controlled' braking.

If you are talking ACC,it actually warns you about the use of Adaptive Cruise Control in adverse conditions as the radar can be adversely affected in bad weather and can cause the car to slam the brakes on.

 is it true that its also slammed on the brakes for carrier bags in the road too? 

 is it true that its also slammed on the brakes for carrier bags in the road too? 

 

I know that you have to pay 5p in the shops for them now, but that's getting downright silly 

 

Jim

Edited 1 December, 201510 yr by muddyjim

I know that you have to pay 5p in the shops for them now, but that's getting downright silly 

 

Jim

emergency stopping is probably the cars way of expressing disbelief of someone letting one free  

OK, I'm not stupid, I know how CC works, those of you who are lucky enough to have it on 90% of the time you are driving, I envy, you must live or drive in fairly light traffic areas, or don't mind being constantly in or out of CC. I can see the benefit if being able to drive long distances with it on, but in my neck of the woods it's pointless, and I prefer to use my right foot.

 

 

If your on Lundy, I'm not surprised.