Worring indeed, going to check ours when I get home tonight.

I could stop it but it was difficult and took some strength to do so.

 

As you say, worrying, 'cause you cannot be sure when this will happen seems to be random.

Edited 5 April, 201610 yr by philsmith

From feedback on here there appears to be quite a variation on how the system operates.

It would be interesting to find out how the system determines when it should stop, if there is a factory standard pressure or force exerted, and is the system 'adjustable'.

If the predetermined pressure is tested or set as part of the PDI, then it is possible some are not being checked and hence the variation in pressure required to stop.

Checked ours (an estate) tonight....

 

I closed the tailgate about 6 times - each time I'd opened it with the remote, and started closing it using the button on the tailgate itself, then tried to stop it closing by holding/pulling it.

 

Seemingly random behaviour.

 

A couple of times it did stop with only a small amount of resistance, and when this happened, it made a single beep.

 

But....all other times it didn't want to stop. It took a *serious* amount of force from me to stop it. I could only stop it by getting both hands under and pulling up hard.

 

It's quite worrying. It would definitely cause serious harm to a child or animal if they got trapped. If a child got their head stuck under and it closed on their neck....I daren't even think.

 

Definitely going to very cautious from now on and make sure kids are well away when I close it now, and have told my wife too!

Edited 5 April, 201610 yr by muddyboots

I can see a recall happening.

I can't.

I can't.

When someone is injured it will happen in the UK.

But as you said before.. it's the drivers problem to prevent it and you live in a accident free world If you raise your kids correctly so this should not concern you.

Edited 6 April, 201610 yr by RickTT

When someone is injured it will happen in the UK.

But as you said before.. it's the drivers problem to prevent it and you live in a accident free world If you raise your kids correctly so this should not concern you.

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool far from any danger is not raising them correctly.

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool far from any danger is not raising them correctly.

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool far from any danger is not raising them correctly.

Exactly my point. 'Common sense' is the keyword. Unfortunately it seems to be rare some places in the UK

When someone is injured it will happen in the UK.

But as you said before.. it's the drivers problem to prevent it and you live in a accident free world If you raise your kids correctly so this should not concern you.

I don't live in an accident free world. But I use common sense, instead of just blaming anything/anyone else I know from my work, that this is a cultural difference between UK and DK. So maybe we should just agree to disagree, and get this thread back on track.

Wrapping your kids in cotton wool far from any danger is not raising them correctly.

 

Sounds like you should be posting on mums.net not a car forum.   -

 

Exactly my point. 'Common sense' is the keyword. Unfortunately it seems to be rare some places in the UK

 

The fact remains the same,  the boot closure safety mechanism is inconsistent as detailed above.   Sometimes it stops... sometimes it requires extreme force to stop it.

 

Is it a case of you not accepting its a design flaw and trying to blame another factors for it?  Do you work for Skoda by any chance ?

 

Fact is.. the boot will not always stop on closure when light pressure is causing a blockage. Its purely up to you how you mitigate that risk and if the product meets your expectations.

Edited 6 April, 201610 yr by RickTT

It's not inconsistent. It's a car, and not designed for a child/sheep/whatever to fool around it and get stuck under the bonnet, door or tailgate.

I don't work for Skoda, but are you an EHS guy of any sort? Because your statements sounds like it

It's not inconsistent. It's a car, and not designed for a child/sheep/whatever to fool around it and get stuck under the bonnet, door or tailgate.

I don't work for Skoda, but are you an EHS guy of any sort? Because your statements sounds like it

 

It is inconsistent though as some times the boot stops with light pressure and sometimes requires a lot moire pressure as detailed in the thread. 

 

As you say.. agree to disagree and no i dont work for any HS, I just prefer to be proactive rather than reactive.

I don't have kids there are no kids any where near my car, ever. But this is wrong, the tailgate should stop when it touches an obstruction, of any sort, sometimes it does , sometimes it does not.

This is a potentialy a dangerous fault and should not be tolerated and be fixed by Skoda, full stop.

This was 'fixed' long ago for electric windows, no doubt regardless of the same arguments - dont stick children/limbs in them. Why is there such objection to the same being done with electric boots?

 

Its just common sense that safety should be improved if it can.

Edited 6 April, 201610 yr by Huskoda

 

This was 'fixed' long ago for electric windows, no doubt regardless of the same arguments - dont stick children/limbs in them. Why is there such objection to the same being done with electric boots?

 

Its just common sense that safety should be improved if it can.

 

 

Put your arm in a window 10 times and the window will drop 10 times. = no damage

 

Put your arm in the boot 10 times and you may not even have the arm to reach the 10 times. 

 

It should be a repeatable process with the same results.

It is inconsistent though as some times the boot stops with light pressure and sometimes requires a lot moire pressure as detailed in the thread.

In my testing (again, results may vary) I actually found it to be very consistent in terms of the force required to stop it. The only variable was whether I was stood very close which caused it to stop before contacting me (Virtual pedal sensor?) or further back in which case it continued it's journey until I manfully wrestled it into submission.

It would be interesting to understand more about the system and force required from a technical point of view. Again, from my testing the only real point of serious concern was the area near the hinge where physics dictate that a greater force will be applied before stopping.

The manual does have plenty of warnings but they could definitely expand upon it to give more useful information.

It's also worth noting that the windows have a timer associated with the force limiter; if a window stops upon sensing an obstacle and you then reactivate the window within ten seconds it will close with full force. This will be designed so that you can force it to close if the system is getting confused by dirt in the mechanism, soft obstruction etc. It's entirely possible that the same system is employed with the boot, which may explain why folks who are stood there repeatedly testing are sometimes getting different results.

Edited 6 April, 201610 yr by Kungfugerbil

It's also worth noting that the windows have a timer associated with the force limiter; if a window stops upon sensing an obstacle and you then reactivate the window within ten seconds it will close with full force. This will be designed so that you can force it to close if the system is getting confused by dirt in the mechanism, soft obstruction etc. It's entirely possible that the same system is employed with the boot, which may explain why folks who are stood there repeatedly testing are sometimes getting different results.

 

On windows.. (on BMW at least) the anti trap error will appear which disables the auto open / close on the said window. so to close it you need to press and hold the button rather than automatic.

On windows.. (on BMW at least)

I haven't tested the Skoda ones but there's no mention of that. Seems common sense though. Relevant passage here:

Actually there is mention of that. I am a fool. The Skoda will force you to close it manually *a number of times* before death crush mode is deployed.

Edited 6 April, 201610 yr by Kungfugerbil

In my testing (again, results may vary) I actually found it to be very consistent in terms of the force required to stop it.

The consistency is inconsistent then

Definitely wasn't consistent behaviour on ours when I tested it last night (as above).

Any chance we could stop the petty arguments...

There's some technical issue here that appears inconsistent between cars, it would be nice to get to the bottom of it without attacking each other.

Regardless of kids - what about the day you go to close the tailgate and you've inadvertently left an object in the way of it closing. Instead of detecting the obstacle and halting, it crushes whatever you've left in the way and mangles the edge of the tailgate instead ?

Or shatters the rear screen because you've accidentally loaded the boot too high ?

I'm sure no-one wants that.

Any chance we could stop the petty arguments...

There's some technical issue here that appears inconsistent between cars, it would be nice to get to the bottom of it without attacking each other.

Regardless of kids - what about the day you go to close the tailgate and you've inadvertently left an object in the way of it closing. Instead of detecting the obstacle and halting, it crushes whatever you've left in the way and mangles the edge of the tailgate instead ?

Or shatters the rear screen because you've accidentally loaded the boot too high ?

I'm sure no-one wants that.

 

 

exactly

It's also worth noting that the windows have a timer associated with the force limiter; if a window stops upon sensing an obstacle and you then reactivate the window within ten seconds it will close with full force. This will be designed so that you can force it to close if the system is getting confused by dirt in the mechanism, soft obstruction etc. It's entirely possible that the same system is employed with the boot, which may explain why folks who are stood there repeatedly testing are sometimes getting different results.

Interesting, I'll try again tonight to see if there's any timer at work.

Although I'm 90% certain death crush mode was in force straight away, and it was only on second or third attempt that it detected an obstruction and stopped.

Tried it on a test drive hatch model.

Pushed the button and tried to hold it back with one arm and basically could not do it. And i'm not that skinny a guy.

It pushed on my arm hard enough that it started hurting quite a bit so i pulled my arm away from under it. A pet or a child would definitely get hurt very badly if they were to get caught under it. Not sure what would happen if i just left my arm completely under the hatch. It did not seem to want to stop at all.

 

The additional danger is if you load your trunk up too high so the glass will touch your cargo. Pretty sure many things would break under the force.

`trunk`?