Out of curiosity, how long are the standard turbos expected to last? Obviously it depends how well the engine is looked after etc but has anyone's failed and had a replacement? If so how many miles had it done before it was replaced? What sort of costs are involved?

Especially cars that are mapped, and some 2010-2011 cars now must be getting some miles on them.

Thanks

never know of one going yet, and some have over 100k on them.....

 

I would expect a turbo to last 100k..... my old fiat punto diesel turbo (mapped at 4k to 170 bhp) lost its turbo....... and that was at 107,000 miles.... actually I lie, it didn't fail... I was at a RR and it was peaking at over 200bhp at 2,500 revs, and the operator told me the veins were sticking, and it was on the way out... (it was making the police siren noise) , so i changed it before failure....

 

the vRS hasn't really had turbo problems as far as I know....

765 euro if you needed a replacement standard one.

You would be as well to upgrade though if you needed one.

Plenty other things that might give up the ghost before the turbo does i would think.

 

Not something to worry about IMO.

Guy in the work has had to cough up for a new turbo on his twincharge Scirocco (160PS) - only 30-odd thousand on the clock.

Brian,

i see a post on Sirocco Central from 2015 with someone that bought a 2011 Sirocco 160ps from Arnold Clark, 

and a failure, is this the same one?

 

In the past there have been reported Turbo Failures because of the Codes, and wrong diagnosis, and it was a faulty sensor, 

or some other issue.

George - won't be the same car as he bought new from a dealer in Cheltenham (although it is a 2011 car - travelled to Cheltenham from Glasgow as the dealer there was offering the best deal).

I doubt he has ever even been on a car forum as he isn't particularly interested in cars - never checks the oil (although Scirocco twinchargers don't seem to drink it I have said it wouldn't do any harm to check now and then) and has been fed a constant diet of 95 RON.

Edited 22 January, 201610 yr by Brian69

It's actually a lot more serious than just the turbo - he's only now (after internet searches) discovering twincharge issues - car is with a VW specialist and there are piston issues as well - specialist is looking for permission to open it up and he's quoting at least £2k - possibly £3k.

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by Brian69

Well the issues are not unkown on the 160ps Twincharger,

They can open up all they like, but no point getting a new head or rebuilding with new pistons and rings, 

oil spray jets or the likes on an old engine.

 

Its a Replacement Engine job, costs are well known, its not like VW have not had to supply hundreds of them in the past 6 years.

Aye, spending £3k would be madness - be as well to go the full hog and stick in a new engine - it's a pity he has let it get to this stage - a trade-in when still driveable would possibly have been the best option. He's emailed VW to complain - best of luck with that...

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by Brian69

Brian £2,000 - £3,000 is actually a lot less than at a Main Dealership. 

£2,000 does not get the Base Engine.

 

Has he some form of warranty on it?

 

 

here is this link again, just in case he needs to see something compiling the issues.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

PS.

I have 2 engines, one complete as removed, and not an oil burner, and one stripped and perfect.

No point me selling them though, they are here for a rainy day when the Twinchargers become 

classics.  LOL.

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

The £2k - £3k quoted is for repair, not a new engine - they're northward of £4k are they not?

No, no warranty...

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by Brian69

Some Warranty Companies have got VW , Skoda, Seat, Audi to assume the position because VW knew the Fundamental Design & Component /Manufacturing faults.

 

So Known Faults, just not to the Customer or admitted by VW.

So Warranty Underwriters might have received a Replacement Engine for 'Much Cheapness' and VWG might have helped cover Labour.

 

But £4,000 invoices are not unusual, and then the engine components going on the replacement engine are now 'well used', 

the DSG is 'Well Used' etc etc.

 

Hopefully the Specialist can help him out if he has no Warranty, and if a Solicitor can get no place with VW.

After all,  it is a case of 'Known Issues' and VW did nothing really to check out the CAVE Engines, or the Sirocco Twinchargers, 

just Update Parts, Software, Breathers, Spark Plugs and leave them with owners and fingers crossed.

They Discontinued the Early Engines because of Component Issues, then even Discontinued the Updated engines.

 

this shows the Engine Codes.

http://adamlewin.co.uk/vw-mk5-golf-tsi-engine-timing-chain-problem

Sirocco 1.4 tsi Twincharger 160 ps  'CAVD'

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Brian £2,000 - £3,000 is actually a lot less than at a Main Dealership. 

£2,000 does not get the Base Engine.

 

Has he some form of warranty on it?

 

 

here is this link again, just in case he needs to see something compiling the issues.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

PS.

I have 2 engines, one complete as removed, and not an oil burner, and one stripped and perfect.

No point me selling them though, they are here for a rainy day when the Twinchargers become 

classics.  LOL.

sure you are going to live that long mate ?  

Grandchildren's inheritance!

Nothing much much else to leave, lots & lots of tyres/rims is about it really.

Well the issues are not unkown on the 160ps Twincharger,

They can open up all they like, but no point getting a new head or rebuilding with new pistons and rings, 

oil spray jets or the likes on an old engine.

 

Its a Replacement Engine job, costs are well known, its not like VW have not had to supply hundreds of them in the past 6 years.

It's cylinder three syndrome - diagnosed by Arnold, who wants £1,900 + VAT just to open it up (otherwise VW won't provide 'goodwill') - waste of time as it's blatantly obvious a new engine is needed, not a rebuild.

An Independent Expert Motor Vehicle Engineer will open it up, do a detailed report, and that will have VW paying for the 

Commissioned Report & the Engine Replacement.

 

VW know the Fundamental Design & Manufacturing and Quality Control of Component issues,

they discontinued your mates engine type because of them.

So a Solicitor might be needed, or VW can arrange the Engines Inspection by their Technical Department.

 

As it is, even if Arnold Clark did charge to do the Diagnosis by stripping down, the fault is there, 

and VW are not giving Good Will, they are doing what legally they need to.

 

The Solicitor can let VW know that an Independent Engineers report will be done,

Really VW UK do not want that report in a Scottish Court and available publicly.

<SNIP>

VW know the Fundamental Design & Manufacturing and Quality Control of Component issues, they discontinued your mates engine type because of them.

<SNIP>.

 

You know this how?  Did VAG inform you of their reasons for discontinuing the 1.4L Twincharger engine? No, they didn't. I believe that they said that it was a niche product that didn't contribute sufficiently to their bottom line.

 

You are almost certainly correct in your speculation that the Fundamental Design of the engine was overly optimistic.

 

You are almost certainly wrong in your speculation that with improved Manufacturing and Quality Control of Components they would still be rolling out what was a very highly regarded engine - manufacturing and QA can be improved, trying to get a quart out of a pint pot is a recipe for disaster, not profit.

You know this how? Did VAG inform you of their reasons for discontinuing the 1.4L Twincharger engine? No, they didn't. I believe that they said that it was a niche product that didn't contribute sufficiently to their bottom line.

You are almost certainly correct in your speculation that the Fundamental Design of the engine was overly optimistic.

You are almost certainly wrong in your speculation that with improved Manufacturing and Quality Control of Components they would still be rolling out what was a very highly regarded engine - manufacturing and QA can be improved, trying to get a quart out of a pint pot is a recipe for disaster, not profit.

Oh here we go again...

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by LGM

'How do we know'? 

well.

They dropped the CAVE in 2012, and brought out the CTHE in 2012 with different parts and Engine Management, 

to try and resolve the issues from 2009-2012.

Also a change of Spark Plug Types.

Then there were still issues 2012-2013 and again Engine Management needed updating,

then there was again changes in Breathers / Valves, then new Oil Spray Jets were an attempt at resolving the Design, Manufacturing 

and Original Component choices. 

 

PS

vxh26, 

where have i ever said or 'Speculated' they (VW) would still be building the engines, using those Euro 5 engines which needed to be Euro 6 emission, and after the models they were in were discontinued or Face Lifted?

They discontinued them as they were in the Seat (Ibiza), VW Polo / Sirocco / Beetle, Skoda Fabia & Audi A1 in 2012.

Stopped building, updated, then the had an updated engine, 2012 - 2014.

That also is discontinued.

I never speculated if the Engines had been 'Improved in Manufacturing, Quality Control or Component choice' & been more reliable it would continue in production,

you are making up your own stories again.

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot