MFSW and Maxidot

[Awesam]

Try skodadop aswell. I ordered my airbag from them.

Ive got a spare loom which is compatible with the Superb 2 fl buttons id you were going for a 3 spoke

[planehazza]

Cheers dude.  Just had a look, they don't have any mkII MFSWs :( Getting ahold of one is going to be difficult.  langers, waveydavey, and Sarge have all been great offering their's at great prices, I'm just hoping I can get a 3 spoke VRS one to keep it as OEM looking as possible.  

[vikky]

Hi.

Any idea if a Vrs TDI Multidot cluster can be fitted on non vrs TDI

[langers2k]

Hi.

Any idea if a Vrs TDI Multidot cluster can be fitted on non vrs TDI

Yes it can

[vikky]

Hey thanks for prompt reply.

I am not able to find multidot cluster non vrs version. This was the one I was looking for but it is not available. http://skodateile.cz/index.php?pg=product∏=331&menu=Škoda%7COctavia%20II%28A5%29%20facelift%7CPanely%20př%C3%ADstrojů

However this is the one available vrs TDI. http://skodateile.cz/index.php?pg=product∏=395&menu=Škoda%7COctavia%20II%28A5%29%20facelift%7CPanely%20př%C3%ADstrojů

Specs looks similar, however max speed range is 270 where as normal octavia II has 240.

Also worried does it require any additional wiring or just a normal swap.

[planehazza]

Coming back to this. Got myself a VCDS so able to do coding myself now.  

 

Does anyone have any images of a 4 spoke MFSW in their VRS?  I'm hoping it doesn't look out of place as I can't afford a flat bottom wheel etc.

[planehazza]

Managed to source a 3 spoke VRS MFSW for £280 posted. A lot, but it's the right one...

 

Or should I save 100 Euros and just go for non vrs 4 spoke?

 

Other than the spoke count, VRS logo, and price are there any other differences between 3 spoke VRS wheel and 4 spoke perforated leather wheel?

Edited 3 May, 2016 by planehazza

[planehazza]

Sorry folks, me again. If I were to get a KPH maxidot, could this service convert the dials to MPH?

 

http://www.clusterrepairsuk.co.uk/kmh-to-mph-dials/model/skoda-octavia

Edited 4 May, 2016 by planehazza

[langers2k]

Sorry folks, me again. If I were to get a KPH maxidot, could this service convert the dials to MPH?

 

http://www.clusterrepairsuk.co.uk/kmh-to-mph-dials/model/skoda-octavia

 

You can but I wouldn't, mostly because they don't look very good compared to the originals - all the fonts are wrong!

 

Instead, I'd be comparing your original dial faces to those fitted in a maxidot cluster to see if all the warning lights match for location. Assuming they do, I'd swap them over and then fix the scale in the eeprom for that dial face. You'll get a more original looking result this way.

[planehazza]

You can but I wouldn't, mostly because they don't look very good compared to the originals - all the fonts are wrong!

 

Instead, I'd be comparing your original dial faces to those fitted in a maxidot cluster to see if all the warning lights match for location. Assuming they do, I'd swap them over and then fix the scale in the eeprom for that dial face. You'll get a more original looking result this way.

 

I've been looking at them in detail, but yeah, the lights don't match and the Revs only go to 7000RPM, as opposed to 8000 that they should.   I wonder if there any any sites that would make new faces from scratch, that would copy the exisiting dials, but make the needle marks MPH instead of KPH.

 

I got all excited as I can see 3 KPH clusters for sale, but obviously I need MPH legally.

 

So unless I've totally misunderstood, a KPH cluster could work for me?  I would just need the needles recalibrating and the mileage adjusting, on top of the regular VCDS coding etc?

Edited 4 May, 2016 by planehazza

[langers2k]

So unless I've totally misunderstood, a KPH cluster could work for me?  I would just need the needles recalibrating and the mileage adjusting, on top of the regular VCDS coding etc?

 

Yes, I believe that a maxidot KPH cluster can be adapted for MPH assuming the dial face warning lights match up with your non-maxidot cluster.

 

You would need to have:

- the scale in the eeprom corrected for the MPH

- the MPH dial face fitted

- immobiler reprogrammed

- odometer corrected (VCDS can only do this on new clusters)

- normal VCDS coding

 

The first four items listed can not be done with VCDS, I'd normally suggest visiting Eddie-NL but he is miles from you. Still, the first thing to check is warning lamp locations on maxidot and non-maxidot clusters.

Edited 4 May, 2016 by langers2k

[Sarge]

The 4 spoke is all leather whereas the 3 spoke is just plastic for the spoke at the bottom ie the one with vRS. Also the three spoke has wee bolster bits for your thumbs - the four spoke all smooth leather doesn't but I see SuperSkoda now do a four spoke with perforated leather that does.

[planehazza]

Yes, I believe that a maxidot KPH cluster can be adapted for MPH assuming the dial face warning lights match up with your non-maxidot cluster.

 

You would need to have:

- the scale in the eeprom corrected for the MPH

- the MPH dial face fitted

- immobiler reprogrammed

- odometer corrected (VCDS can only do this on new clusters)

- normal VCDS coding

 

The first four items listed can not be done with VCDS, I'd normally suggest visiting Eddie-NL but he is miles from you. Still, the first thing to check is warning lamp locations on maxidot and non-maxidot clusters.

 

Cheers mate. So, even if there is a lot of work involved, the future is a little brighter with regards to one day having maxidot!

 

So for now, I can pencil in PN# 1Z0920843B into my daily searches!

 

Could the non VCDS changes be done at a VAG specialist, or is the EEPROM config even more specialised?

[langers2k]

Cheers mate. So, even if there is a lot of work involved, the future is a little brighter with regards to one day having maxidot!

 

So for now, I can pencil in PN# 1Z0920843B into my daily searches!

 

Could the non VCDS changes be done at a VAG specialist, or is the EEPROM config even more specialised?

 

The immobiliser and odometer can probably be done by a VAG specialist if they have the right kit. I doubt they will know what needs doing to change scales but it's worth asking.

 

You can also look for other 1Z0920843* parts, that'll give you a range of petrol/diesel/vRS/non-vRS maxidots.

 

It's possible to change the RPM scale using the same method so can be fixed if you're intending to put your own dial faces on. I assume you've confirmed they match warning light wise?

 

I'd recommend trying to find one running 04xx or 06xx firmware rather than anything older. Mostly as 06xx has the most functions and 04xx can be updated to 06xx at the same time as doing the scales. Assuming you find a replacement, I should be able to do the firmware upgrade and scale changes before you fit it. That'll leave you to do the dial switch and find someone to do the immobiliser/odometer (I haven't got the tools for that).

[planehazza]

Hi mate,

 

Thanks once again for your help. If I'm ever down your way or vice versa, I owe you some beers. You've been very helpful and it's greatly appreciated.

 

I've found a 2010(11?) VRS petrol with maxidot so I've enquired about the availabilty.  They're a bit slow in replies so I'm hoping I don't miss out.  What is a reasonable price for the cluster from a breakers on a similar note? Just in case I come across one and they ask for silly money.

 

If I came across an older version, would it be a major issue? Are the only differences between the SW relating to the the BT icons? My car does not have any OEM BT but I am looking for an aftermarket stereo.  If had an older version, would an aftermarket stereo with BT still cause this issue?

[langers2k]

If I came across an older version, would it be a major issue? Are the only differences between the SW relating to the the BT icons? My car does not have any OEM BT but I am looking for an aftermarket stereo.  If had an older version, would an aftermarket stereo with BT still cause this issue?

 

Older software isn't a major issue. The most obvious change is missing icons for premium BT kits, if you never fit one it makes no difference! I don't think any aftermarket stereos make use of the icons so your covered there too.

 

Given you've started retrofitting things to the car, you might find older cluster software limits you if you want PLA2.0 or direct TPMS at a later date. I think there are some other minor changes like refuel volume and fatigue detection that may need the newer software versions as well. Just depends how far you want to take it as I've also seen lane and side assist working with later maxidot clusters

[planehazza]

Older software isn't a major issue. The most obvious change is missing icons for premium BT kits, if you never fit one it makes no difference! I don't think any aftermarket stereos make use of the icons so your covered there too.

 

Given you've started retrofitting things to the car, you might find older cluster software limits you if you want PLA2.0 or direct TPMS at a later date. I think there are some other minor changes like refuel volume and fatigue detection that may need the newer software versions as well. Just depends how far you want to take it as I've also seen lane and side assist working with later maxidot clusters

 

Cheers dude.  Well the steering wheel alone has cost me £240 and still need to the get the highline module (Apparently this is genuine OEM VW, but I'm a little skeptical - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151657607744?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) and loom.  Future retrofits are always tempting and I can see why it's addictive, but I should really be saving my money for parts failing as the car has 70k on it now, so it's no spring chicken.

 

Aside from part number (ie it's still fitted to car etc.), how can one tell which SW version it has? Could you say that if it has a bolero without BT for example, it's likely to be the lower version?

Edited 5 May, 2016 by planehazza

[langers2k]

Aside from part number (ie it's still fitted to car etc.), how can one tell which SW version it has? Could you say that if it has a bolero without BT for example, it's likely to be the lower version?

 

Production date is probably the right thing to look at but I doubt there are clear cut off points and I certainly don't know them.

 

While fitted, the only way to check is using VCDS or similar.

Once removed, the original SW version is normally on the sticker next to the part number.

[planehazza]

Production date is probably the right thing to look at but I doubt there are clear cut off points and I certainly don't know them.

 

While fitted, the only way to check is using VCDS or similar.

Once removed, the original SW version is normally on the sticker next to the part number.

 

Got it; it's SW0110, so very early.  Might be worth a punt for £60 euros.

[planehazza]

Woohoo. MFSW is on its way. Now to buy the highline module and loom.  What are peoples' thoughts on this on ebay?  The seller said via message that is genuine bought from VW, yet it appears to be significantly cheaper than online stores...

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151657607744?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[planehazza]

Sorry guys, just one more thing I'm not 100% on. Will I need a new slip ring, or just the wheel, loom and module?

[Sarge]

When I put a MFSW into my 2010 vRS I just needed wheel, loom and module and some VCDS coding.

[captvikky]

I retrofitted MFSW with paddles on my Octavia II FL 2011 Ambiente  model few days back.  Also changed the controller to High line.  Steering controls and Paddles are working flawlessly. However i am unable to operate MFD on the cluster(standard cluster, non maxidot) using wiper stalk buttons or with steering controls. MFD is fixed on temperature display. I cannot change to any other display (Digital speed, avg. km/lt, distance, etc).  however Wiper controls are working in order. 

 

Following are the vcds coding before and after fitting Steering module & MFSW

BEFORE

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb

   Part No SW: 1K5 953 521 AE    HW: 5K0 953 569 

   Component: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140  

   Revision: FF010040    Serial number: 20110412100022

   Coding: 4880040000

   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00999

   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS A01004

   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS.rod

   VCID: 70F7C6F3FAA3EA02EF00065-8024

 

No fault code found.

 

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AFTER

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb

   Part No SW: 5K0 953 521 BN    HW: 5K0 953 569 E

   Component: LENKS.MODUL   016 0140  

   Revision: FF010041    Serial number: 20121009100661

   Coding: 009A140000

   Shop #: WSC 19460 666 12345

   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS A01004

   ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS.rod

   VCID: 79E1FBE7A9D9AB4A58DEE39-802C

 

   Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module: 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5E0 919 719 G    HW: 5E0 919 719 G

   Component: E221__MFL-PR6  H05 0130 

   Coding: 830000

 

1 Fault Found:

226839 - Turn Signal Switch 

          B1144 11 [009] - Short to Ground

          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00000001

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 149

                    Mileage: 54185 km

                    Date: 2016.05.06

                    Time: 02:15:02

 

 

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What is this turn signal short to ground error.

Folks kindly advise how to make the MFD controls functional using wiper stalk or steering controls.  As far as i know streering controls for MFD work only on maxidot cluster. Since mine is a standard cluster, there should be some way to make wiper stalk buttons functional.

[captvikky]

i sourced a flat bottom MFSW with paddles  from http://www.cars-equipment.com/www/en/shop/flat-bottom-steering-wheels-4/oem-flat-bottom-mfsw-steering-wheel-7/

I searched a lot for 3 spoke VRS MFSW with paddles, but could not find one. So finally bought it.

 

As i stated in previous post regarding the trouble with MFD controls.  What could be the problem with. Is it the new MFSW or the new highline controller 5K0 953 569 E.

Edited 8 May, 2016 by captvikky

[langers2k]

As i stated in previous post regarding the trouble with MFD controls.  What could be the problem with. Is it the new MFSW or the new highline controller 5K0 953 569 E.

 

Who coded the new module in? The lcode 009A140000 is completely different to the original 4880040000.

 

I've not checked these but I'd try 4882140000 (assuming you also added cruise control) or 4882040000 (if you don't have cruise control).