A decision to buy a new diesel could be construed to be a poor one recently particularly after the VW issues, but what will the latest news about the the potential reversal of diesel tax relief mean ?

 

Air pollution in the UK does seem to be the hot potato, I think it would be good to consider this and what impact it has on any decisions you make with car buying? Also with them citing the 3p I bet the reality is this is just opening the flood gates and once they realise they can get away with it its likely to be more......

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/transport-secretary-diesel-taxes-could-be-hiked-to-cut-air-pollu/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/08/mps-and-campaigners-call-for-diesel-scrappage-scheme-amid-concer/

 

I think the ostrich approach would be quite unwise and could be quite costly so it may be good to be informed !

 

Thankfully in my case at least - I already made an educated decision on my purchase 6 mths ago that I needed a petrol so I'm glad that doesn't affect my newest car but as I still have a diesel wonder what this would mean ? Anyone worked it out ?

 

 

I'm also wondering ( as a diesel owner on one of my cars at least ) has anyone worked out the typical impact on average car of this tax hike?

 

I'm guessing it pretty much destroys and benefit of running a diesel (unless you already own it for a while and its worth nothing, like mine) ? I'm guessing someone who does a lot of mileage is able to work it out....

 

To me it looks like its 1% extra per mile compared to petrol....I suppose it depends if you buy new as that costs you what, £1-1.5K more already or more on the used price (or is that not the case now with dieselvwgate!!)......

On written down it doesn't look that much to me ?

 

This is my estimate correct if I'm wrong

What is it 12p extra per gallon.....diesels to about 15mpg ish (or less?) more than a fast petrol driving the same,

 

So if you do 100 miles = 111p per litre, assume

40mpg petrol = 2.5 Gallons = 11.35 L = £12.60

55mpg diesel = 1.81 Gallons = 8.21 L = £9.37

 

So it would still be cheaper just the margin will be smaller is that correct ? But do you think this is just the opening of the flood gates and the more **** they throw that sticks the more they will tend to want to throw it

I guess one extra think I didn't factor into this is not just the fuel price,

 

its the impact on depreciaton when buying new or similar such lease to buy arrangements where you might be actually impacted by the final settlement cost, that is really perhaps on of the bigger hits of diesel gate and tax changes not just the price changes alone......?

 

My situation isn't buying or owning newer diesel though so you can forgive me for not focussing on that part.

 

I guess it could be bad news even for company car drivers on diesel as it could mean could it mean its close to you having to contribute to your own business miles ! its not very generous on the regulated fixed price per miles is it ?

Government BIK rates are now aligned, there is no difference between petrol and diesel the rate you're stung for is based on emissions and the projection over the next few years it goes up by ~4%.

EU emission laws are such that the only way this government can comply easily is to reduce speed limits, plenty of 50mph limits where it used to be nsl purely to reduce emissions in those areas as opposed to a safety concern. One more reason to leave the failure that is the EU.

As has already been said, the decision of petrol v diesel is purely down to mileage covered. If you want to 'beat' the system then get a hybrid. Lower emissions and better mpg, win win for now at least. Look at a BMW 330e if money will allow.

After 16 years of petrol ownership followed by 10 years diesel I am back to petrol and will be from now on.

^^

Or as many do, get a hybrid but still burn petrol or diesel only more than if the car did not have the inbuild and heavy hybrid set up.

So emissions and fuel use is higher than the lighter model would be using, but they used the loophole, and get the advantage where there is congestion charges etc.

 

ie 

They play the UK Government lets pretend game.

Edited 11 June, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

"EU emission laws are such that the only way this government can comply easily is to reduce speed limits, plenty of 50mph limits where it used to be nsl purely to reduce emissions in those areas as opposed to a safety concern. "

 

A far better way to reduce pollution in towns would be to allow the traffic to flow instead of deliberately obstructing it.

Perhaps apply some US traffic logic to keep our roads flowing.

I.e. you can turn left on a red if clear to do so, it acts like a give way. (I know it's turn right in the US).

10p per mile for 2l and below diesel.

Which makes loads of sense since 2 months ago when fuel was a bit cheaper you could claim 12p a mile.

I have to say I am not convinced about the number of deaths claimed (40,000) per year ? if this was caused by diesel fuel and a recent development it should show up in death rates statistics, yet it does not appear to.

 

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/mortalityintheunitedkingdom/19832013#age-standardised-mortality-rates-1983-2013-uk

I have to say I am not convinced about the number of deaths claimed (40,000) per year ? if this was caused by diesel fuel and a recent development it should show up in death rates statistics, yet it does not appear to.

 

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/mortalityintheunitedkingdom/19832013#age-standardised-mortality-rates-1983-2013-uk

 

Bingo, we have someone that doesn't believe all the junk science spouted these days. 

 

The figures are statistical guesses by 'scientists' paid to produce papers to prove the problem, and they are 'excess deaths' i.e. ill/weak people that theoretically died a bit prematurely.

 

This is the same idea as 'excess winter death' statistics, i.e. people that theoretically died from the cold - which is anything from 100,000 to 25,000 in the UK (of course there are many reasons why more people die in winter than just the colder weather). 

 

The latest research actually showed that air pollution is so 'bad' in UK cities, that doing regular exercise in that 'polluted' air has health benefits that far exceed the 'danger' from breathing the air.

 

So that perhaps gives some perspective as to the real level of harm - i.e. infinitesimally slight.

Bingo, we have someone that doesn't believe all the junk science spouted these days. 

 

The figures are statistical guesses by 'scientists' paid to produce papers to prove the problem, and they are 'excess deaths' i.e. ill/weak people that theoretically died a bit prematurely.

 

This is the same idea as 'excess winter death' statistics, i.e. people that theoretically died from the cold - which is anything from 100,000 to 25,000 in the UK (of course there are many reasons why more people die in winter than just the colder weather). 

 

The latest research actually showed that air pollution is so 'bad' in UK cities, that doing regular exercise in that 'polluted' air has health benefits that far exceed the 'danger' from breathing the air.

 

So that perhaps gives some perspective as to the real level of harm - i.e. infinitesimally slight.

 How many of those premature deaths are people who smoke 20 fags a day? So they have bad respiratory systems anyway. No one has come forward that I am aware of and said so and so in my family has been killed by diesel fumes and particulates.

It would take a massive hike in diesel tax to make me give mine up. I use my diesel as a long distance and commuter car and it does 60MPG, my Audi on the other hand uses fuel that costs about the same but averages 23MPG on a good day and on a bad day on a short run round town makes less than 10MPG. So my diesel does between 40 to 50MPG more than the my big Audi, so I am still quids in.

 

Audi does 300 miles on 90 litres of petrol, Volvo does 800miles plus on 70 litres diesel.

 

Car cost and resale value is of no consequence, I paid almost nothing for it in the first place and its a lovely polluter with no DPF and leaves clouds of black smoke on WOT with the turbo on full chat.

 

Plenty of cheap diesels around, easy to maintain and no DPF. Sub 1K there are loads of decent easy to maintain cars that will run forever.

Edited 14 June, 20169 yr by mannyo