Is the new 1.9 Octavia a PD lump? Is it based on the PD100 engine or the non-PD variant?

Yes it's a PD engine but no idea what it's based on.

Chris

As I had very nearly 200bhp from a PD150 with remap, exhaust and induction mods I don't think the target is impossible, I'll admit that some rolling roads are over optimistic but 190+bhp is near enough as makes no odds. Of course I also plan to cheat when and if funds allow and stick NoS in there for those times when near 200bhp and 300ft/lbs isn't nearly enough.

As to budget there is some flexibility but I need to leave some funds for further upgrades to clutch and brakes. When this project gets off the ground the results should leave me with one of the best Octavias around, at least so I hope.

Bear in mind I own neither' date=' am looking at both as an off the wall alternative to an S3. Also realise that I've owned various high performance cars ranging from highly modified Impreza turbos, Evos and the like to 993 Porsches.

What I'm really looking for here is some clarification of just why a VRS is better. Bearing in mind neither is the last word in handling prowess surely the 4x4 has to be a better bet just from an objective technical point of view- as a road car that is.

I have a Lotus for the track so that side of things is well covered.[/quote']

This seems a bit of a change to some of the cars you have had:confused:

What made you decide to go for the diesel Skoda route Febus?

I know people here say they aren't the quickest,but I would still want an elise for the track:) (think you said you have an elan)

This seems a bit of a change to some of the cars you have had:confused:

What made you decide to go for the diesel Skoda route Febus?

I know people here say they aren't the quickest' date='but I would still want an elise for the track:) (think you said you have an elan)[/quote']

Not really much of a change, I've had 'high power' PD's before not to mention numerous other marques/styles of car.

Diesel would be a boon for me as I regularly drive very long distances and the range advantage on a cruise is massive. Likewise 4x4 is a must as I also have need for something that can perform in poor traction situtations.

The idea is that for less than the price of a secondhand Audi I can create something unique that will surprise a few people and be a true one-off.

my pd130 with a few mods is "apparently" pushing 190 bhp but realistically it is more like 170.

febus, if you are planning on transplanting a pd150 engine into the octavia it really is going to cost more than 3k alone. let alone the 2k of engine tuning (atleast) needed to take it to 200 bhp.

NOS correctly installed by a professional with the digital maximiser is half of your £3k budget.

Can I make a suggestion?

Get the 1.8T 4x4, for a start if it's economy your bothered about, think of the saving alone in the modification costs. Secondly, with just a £400 remap the 4x4 can push in excess of 200 bhp.

Good luck if you want to do a transplant, it's certainly a big job looking at how long it has taken Jason, and CERTAINLY a LOT more than 3,000 pounds.

2 things to add

There seem to be quite a few low mileage 4x4's at the dealers, have a poke on Autotrader, might save you a bit

Ive seen what Llloyd Allard can wring out of a 90 bhp Golf which was his old road car, well over 200 bhp & in my dealings with him I found him to be straight with no reason to exagerate his claims, Alan, his Dad who I believe is still involved with the business was one of the pioneirs of Turbocharging.

I think you will be more than happy with them.

Good luck building what Skoda should have done BUT be warned, I have strong reason to believe a bigger Diesel engined 4x4 will be out by the end of the year, then all it will need is a map to give around 200 bhp

Thanks for confirming what I thought about Allard, I've seen some articles about what Allard can get from the VAG diesel unit and they seemed like really genuine people. What a lot of people don't realise is what a tuneable unit the PD and non PD 1.9 VAG engine is. Shame the rest of the ancillaries often turn out to be the weakest link- cue uprated clutch, brakes and suspension.

As for the high power 4x4 I've heard rumours of a 2.0 140bhp going in the Octavia 4x4 but everyone discounts them on the grounds that Skoda would be treading on the toes of Audi and VW. Here's hoping though, I've been quoted a fairly lengthy waiting period for the 1.9 4x4 by the broker I contacted which should give me time to see what's happening.

Hellfire- why only 170bhp? My PD150 was RR'd at 195bhp (I actually believe the figure as well) with remap, exhaust and induction work only.

Hellfire- why only 170bhp? My PD150 was RR'd at 195bhp (I actually believe the figure as well) with remap, exhaust and induction work only.

Hopefully the up and coming rolling road day will show my car has more like the power Jabba claim, but i'm still not convinced.

The Golf PD150 has an FMIC, larger exhaust and larger turbo so I believe yours probably was pushing 195 bhp

I've seen 300+ scoobies get consumed' date=' thats not the driver pulled over, thats two chaps who know each other have a tussel.

An article somewhere about Jon's TDi glued to mlr folk at castle coombe in the wet...I think anyone would agree diesel v evo is farsical...now where's that article, nm a member on here achieved a 8 min lap of the ring in his RS before selling it for an M5, wish I could afford to do similar. But alas I feel an old 3 series BM will be quicker for me than my more powerfull Octavia.

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Ask and yee shall receive:

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Febus, my old RS was considerably quicker than my current diesel, as to Evos and Scoobs, yes I have had fun with both on track - lots were slower than mine, a few were faster, but not many. Same goes for Elises, it usually took and Exige to get away from me although one of the guys in a new Exige at Anglesey was a bit upset to find he couldn't get away from a diesel Skoda

Anyway, back to the thread - I'd go for the RS, been there done that. As for the new 4x4, I'd say that 3k for 200bhp from a 105 diesel would cost more than 3k, 5 would be my guess. As to Allards, excellent bunch of people, but not cheap.

Ahhhh Jabba's rollers, let's just say I can make up my own figures that would be as well respected as that RR.

Not dissing their remaps but they DO need a believable RR.

It always seems a bit odd to me that their cars almost always seem to make lower outputs than some generic maps. I guess that no 2 cars are the same but Jabba's figures have been shown to be on the optimistic side more than once.

Figures aren't everything, its all about the area under the lines + if it over-reads after a remap, it will have done so before the remap, so it should be better to just say "I gained 70bhp and 150lb/ft" The differences should be the same whatever RR you use (unless the recalibrate between runs )

Ask and yee shall receive:

http://www.slowblackskoda.com/photogallery/combe04/pag1.jpg

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Febus' date=' my old RS was considerably quicker than my current diesel, as to Evos and Scoobs, yes I have had fun with both on track - lots were slower than mine, a few were faster, but not many. Same goes for Elises, it usually took and Exige to get away from me although one of the guys in a new Exige at Anglesey was a bit upset to find he couldn't get away from a diesel Skoda

Anyway, back to the thread - I'd go for the RS, been there done that. As for the new 4x4, I'd say that 3k for 200bhp from a 105 diesel would cost more than 3k, 5 would be my guess. As to Allards, excellent bunch of people, but not cheap.[/quote']

Point taken about the VRS V diesel and already figured into the equation Tavia, I'm prepared to make the trade off between speed and economy that the diesel route forces. However if I just wanted a quick petrol 4x4 with fairly poor economy I could just go back to an Impreza or even Evo and the VRS obviously wouldn't get a look in.

My idea here is to try and do something different, as for budget I haven't done any exact costings but by doing as much of the work as I can myself and getting Allard to do the stuff I can't do I reckon 3K is a possibility.

As I see it the worst case scenario for me is that I spend a lot of time looking into it and then find it's not feasible. I don't believe that will be the case.

Even if it is then at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I at least tried rather than listening to negative inadequate types who haven't contributed anything to this thread other than insults, replies to comments that have never been made and pictures of birds.........

Hopefully the up and coming rolling road day will show my car has more like the power Jabba claim' date=' but i'm still not convinced.

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But are you happy with the way it drives?

At the end of the day figures are really for bragging rights down the pub but, if your happy with the way your car drives then that's all that should matter.

There are so many rr and loads of figures bandied around.....which is accurate and which aren't?

I know of a well respected and well known member on here and other forums who got X bhp on one tuners, allegedly optimistic rollers and then when to another tuner, with allegedly accurate rollers and got 20bhp more....now how does that work??:confused:

My RS, apparently has, 335bhp....whilst it nice to know, I'm more pleased with the fact that it drives much better than it did than with a remap or K03S turbo...and I'm not just talking about outright peformance.

Not having a go....just that there's mor to it all than figures and what rolling roads say.

Agreed SkodiRS, RR figures are just a way of expressing the power output in a way people can readily understand and in a way that can provide comparison (theoretically).

What's more important is where it produces it's power, in the case of a VAg diesel it wouldn't be much use all stacked right at the top end coming in a power band so narrow you could fit certain people's minds into it. The idea of all tuning is enhanced driveability to my mind, rather than pub bragging rights.

Generally speaking though we are forced down the route of quoting RR figures as a means of common understanding. Shame more of them aren't more accurate.

I don't quote figures for mine - let's just say they are "adequate"

But are you happy with the way it drives?

At the end of the day figures are really for bragging rights down the pub but' date=' if your happy with the way your car drives then that's all that should matter.

There are so many rr and loads of figures bandied around.....which is accurate and which aren't?

I know of a well respected and well known member on here and other forums who got X bhp on one tuners, allegedly optimistic rollers and then when to another tuner, with allegedly accurate rollers and got 20bhp more....now how does that work??:confused:

My RS, apparently has, 335bhp....whilst it nice to know, I'm more pleased with the fact that it drives much better than it did than with a remap or K03S turbo...and I'm not just talking about outright peformance.

Not having a go....just that there's mor to it all than figures and what rolling roads say.[/quote']

Well Put

But are you happy with the way it drives?

At the end of the day figures are really for bragging rights down the pub but' date=' if your happy with the way your car drives then that's all that should matter.

There are so many rr and loads of figures bandied around.....which is accurate and which aren't?

I know of a well respected and well known member on here and other forums who got X bhp on one tuners, allegedly optimistic rollers and then when to another tuner, with allegedly accurate rollers and got 20bhp more....now how does that work??:confused:

My RS, apparently has, 335bhp....whilst it nice to know, I'm more pleased with the fact that it drives much better than it did than with a remap or K03S turbo...and I'm not just talking about outright peformance.

Not having a go....just that there's mor to it all than figures and what rolling roads say.[/quote']

All you have to do now is learn how to drive and you'll be well away.

All you have to do now is learn how to drive and you'll be well away.

One day I want to be able to drive like Des...........one day would be more than enough.

What an aspiration

Almost matches Des's desire to be able to match Stevie Wonder's prowess as a wheelman :haha:

What an aspiration

Remember Jon, some peoples aspirations are lower than others, that way they are easier to achieve.

What an aspiration

Almost matches Des's desire to be able to match Stevie Wonder's prowess as a wheelman :haha:

Who said anything about aspiration?

I thought it might be interesting to drive with limited grip on the steering wheel....."you have a woman's hand!".

At least you resisted the urge to comment on his "pretty mouth"

I'm very happy with the way it drives yes