I'm possibly going to order a new Superb soon and having driven manuals for the last 20 years or so I'm seriously considering a DSG box. The Superb just feels like a DSG suits it more. I've driven a couple and my reactions were mainly positive although I did experience the slight delay at low speeds which I know is common and probably just takes getting used to.

I do consider myself to be a 'driver' and like driving and it's more than getting from A to B for me however, I think I'd have the best of both worlds with DSG (I would definitely get the paddles). My driving is probably 70% country roads/motorway and 30% city but this can vary. I drive about 45k Kms a year.

At €3k (roughly £2.5stg, depending on the rate you want to take these days!) it's a lot of money and over a £1k more than you guys pay in the UK. For those of you with DSG, if the difference between DSG and manual was greater would you still have considered DSG?

The manual box is quite slick of course and I've had it in my last two Superbs. Right now, it's the difference for me between getting a Style (SEL) with a few extras and a DSG box or otherwise I'd go for a manual L&K. I can't justify both L&k (€4K over the Style) plus DSG as it pushes the price to around €45k as it's a private purchase.

I'm thinking of a 150tdi BTW

I have a 150 tdi. The manual change is smooth and easy. If you tow anything I have always felt a manual box gives you more control. IMHO the extra cost of DSG in Ireland is not worthy of consideration unless you spend most of your time driving in stop/start traffic. I have always enjoyed the mechanical exercise of changing gear as part of the driving experience. Still do, so manual every time for me. I am sure many others will have a different opinion.

I test drove a 150tdi DSG and bought a manual 150tdi

The DSG was nice, only thing that put me off was the cost added onto my lease (PCH)

The whole excercise of getting the superb was a lot of car for a very low amount of cash - about 6.5k in total over 2 years inc maintenance etc. Adding the DSG just increased the cost and made it out of line with the cost of running say a 10k second hand car.

@Superb170
we already have tread
http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/409137-manual-or-dsg-final-decision/page-2#entry4698116

As you know I currently have a manual Superb. My last car was a Passat CC GT DSG, I cannot say how much I miss the DSG. My wife has also had an Octavia 3 DSG and currently has a BMW auto. I'm looking auto for my next car. BUT it's not our money, both my wife and myself have company cars so we're in a different position.

Personally if I was in your position I'd go for Style spec with DSG and with a few extras you'll have a really nice car. I assume the Style spec in Ireland has the adaptive cruise, which when added to the auto hold and front assist will make it an effortless drive both in and out of town.

@Superb170

we already have tread

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/409137-manual-or-dsg-final-decision/page-2#entry4698116

Yes cheers, I've read through that and others on here but my question isn't really a manual versus DSG as such, if it was the same price as the UK, I'd probably go for it. I suppose I was partly looking at how others decided on financial grounds and also drivers in the Irish market and other markets where the cost is quite high.

If I choose the DSG again, it would only be in combination with the shifter on the steering wheel. Is it worth €3,000? Not in my opinion. It just isn't that good compared to other autos. Too slow to change if left to itself.

Well here's my 2p. This is my first DSG and I can't see myself going back to a manual unless it's a weekend car with a V8. Is it worth 3k ? Well it was standard on my SE L but would I pay for it if I was in the position of buying the car again ?

Yes I would.

I have a manual, but would of gone DSG if it was a private purchase and a keeper...

My Passat is my first car with DSG. I don't think being mated with a diesel engine gets the best out of it, but I'd not go back to a manual now. Having said that, I'd not pay £2500-odd extra for it - that's outrageous.

This is my first DSG and I can't see myself going back to a manual. I would also recommend the paddle shifters. I use them loads more than I thought I would. It also helps that my L&K comes to a halt, pulls away and creeps along in traffic on its own! 

I have a Company Octavia 2.0 TDI DSG Business, with the paddles and it has been faultless, a fantastic piece of kit, on the whole the DSG box works effortlessly, the paddles are a nice option and when you want a little more in your face control, they give it to you.

 

So when I ordered my Superb it was a no brainer, had to be the 2.0TDI DSG and absolutely no regrets, what I would say is, stick to the 6 speed wet clutch DSG and not the 7 speed dry unit, which seems to have had issues.

 

What I have noticed is that the Superb 2.0 TDI DSG Box works slightly differently to the Octavia, it is smother and it would appear that there is a difference in the gear ratios and change up / down times, is it worth £3K yes, without a doubt.

 

Not sure why people have a problem with the DSG being mated to the Diesel, not been an issue for me, but that just my opinion, and with the ACC there is no contest, the car will almost drive its self, fantastic.

Edited 9 October, 20169 yr by roughrider10

No, I wouldn't spend that much on a DSG gearbox.

In fact I wouldn't have a DSG even if it were the same price.

If someone paid me €3k to have one I might.

Yes I would go for the DSG, at UK prices yes, at EUR3000 which is about GBP 2700 someone is having a laugh

But then I wouldn't get the 150 TDi, the only Superb I drove had a DSG and the 220 TSI (that is beautiful combination)

The one advantage to the manual over DSG is that the car is way more responsive. However nico rosberg I am not so in the real world the ease of an auto, is it worth it? For the price not for me hence getting the manual. But I don't own 'my' car and don't have to live with it after 2 years:

The one advantage to the manual over DSG is that the car is way more responsive. However nico rosberg I am not so in the real world the ease of an auto, is it worth it? For the price not for me hence getting the manual. But I don't own 'my' car and don't have to live with it after 2 years:

I disagree. If you mean the manual is more involving then yes.

The manual is more responsive - on the dsg it felt like there was a delay between the throttle and the car responding. In the manual this is obviously not the case as the throttle feels more connected.

However, in the real world the DSG is a much easier drive and I would imagine it works excellently with the ACC.

The manual is more responsive - on the dsg it felt like there was a delay between the throttle and the car responding. In the manual this is obviously not the case as the throttle feels more connected.

However, in the real world the DSG is a much easier drive and I would imagine it works excellently with the ACC.

Actually I just realised that ACC is an option over here (€381) even on the L&K trim!  As you say, it works perfectly with DSG and was another reason I was considering it so having to pay more again makes the whole DSG proposition even more expensive.  I might be having a rethink on this now as nearly €3.5K for DSG + ACC is really pushing it.  I know its swings and roundabouts to an extent with spec across the different markets but its such a pity that the options that are really suited to a large cruiser like the Superb are so expensive here.

I paid €3k for DSG on my 150 PS Ambition and wouldn't do it again.  Its just not worth it.  Like you, 70% of my driving is country road/motorway.  If you must get it then the paddle shifters are useful for the many manual overrides that you'll have to do.  One example is this: as you approach a bend at a reasonably decent speed in a manual, you'll change down to tighten the car's line around the bend.  With DSG, even if you touch the brakes on approach to try and engage some engine braking, the car will plough through the bend in too high a gear and will feel like it wants to understeer unless you change down manually.  There are other examples such as on/off drive as you try to reverse slowly up a slope and gear selection confusion on certain roundabout approaches.  Its a nice system most of the time but not worth the money in Ireland by a long shot. 

That's exactly why the DSG has a manual option !

I'm approaching a bend. Nothing behind and I'm letting my speed bleed off. DSG still in wrong gear after all how does it know I'm approaching a bend. Quick change down into correct gear with paddle.

Likewise if I'm making progress.

I'm approaching a bend quickly. I know the gearbox will not be changing down and have planned ahead so I'm already in manual mode. Negotiate bend and back into auto.

Some bends may require 3rd, 2nd or even 1st gear. It may be a 3rd gear bend but requires 2nd gear due to hazards. Is the gearbox supposed to know that ?

You can't blame the box for not knowing how to use it properly. If you're changing down manually to ensure you are in the correct gear for a particular hazard then in my opinion you are using the box correctly. The people who just leave it in auto all the time coz that's why I bought an auto init bruv are not.

All imo of course ;-)

Edited 11 October, 20169 yr by Nick_H

Whatever about DSG, I don't think the L&K is worth the extra outlay over the 'Style' spec here in Ireland. Look into it & most of the difference is cosmetic like emblems & badges (except the Canton Sound System) The UK get a far better L&K in my opinion. I'd go for a Style plus options, in the case of DSG it comes down to - do you think it was a worthwhile feature to have in your car & will it make your driving more comfortable & enjoyable?  What price would you put on that if so?

Edited 11 October, 20169 yr by Rebelred

I have to say after the first two days in the new car the DSG with flappy paddles is fantastic. Well worth the extra if you afford it.

sounds like DSG6 4x4 280ps doesn't provide rattles, DSG6 220ps is awful in that plane, performance ok and paddles i recommend

 

Wasn't the rattles proven to be a bushing problem associated with adaptive suspension ?

 

Rainmaker has a 220 and hasn't mentioned any DSG rattles ....