right need a bit of help with bit of advice with a turbo replacement for my 06 Octavia 1.9 bxe engine code, I am looking to take a chance and put a second hand turbo on, as I'm now unemployed since 4 weeks ago and santa nearly here

proper on the bones of my arse, I'm f****d lol

so wonder if anyone can tell me what cars I should be looking to source one from, obviouslty a bxe, but what other models use bxe engine in the vag range and have the correct manifold fitting???

when taking it of today it looked very much like the same setup as my partners 1.9 gttdi 130 golf

so what options do I have please

 

ive attached a picture of the turbo impeller on the cold side of turbo, she aint pretty,

 

only symptoms of this was like a secondry noise like an exhaust leak, till we stripped egr cooler intake manifold ect looking for a blow, when there was the none only culprit left was the turbo

so my motor is up on stands now with half its guts out lol, till I can source a turbo

Edited 12 December, 20169 yr by moiloon

What's the part number on the turbo?

Have you been able to resolve the cause - was there an intake leak or split air filter?

King85, on 12 Dec 2016 - 18:38, said:

What's the part number on the turbo?

a picture speaks a thousand words

 

hope this what ya after lol

What about this ebay listing for some details for you to search around on even if you didn't use this supplier? Lists alternative vehicles and part number which you could match up. Not knowing the going rate for a 1.9 tdi turbo seems cheap though compared to prices I'm used to....

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Turbocharger-1-9-TDi-BJB-BKC-BXE-BXF-BRU-BXJ-AVQ-751851-kp39-011-kp39-022-/360941854847?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

 

Edit: Yes, that part seems to marry up with the photo of the part plate on yours.

Edited 12 December, 20169 yr by TheClient

TheClient, on 12 Dec 2016 - 18:44, said:

Have you been able to resolve the cause - was there an intake leak or split air filter?

no, smoke tested the car 1st before striping anything off it, no leaks

air filter fine

ive only owned the car for 7-8 months or so ,bought it as as a cat d very light front damage, nothing broken or damaged in bump other than very light front panel damage, 2 wings I repaired, replaced bonnet and headlights,, nothing could have gotten in to the intake then as nothing was disturbed,

no boost pipes dislodged even , and even front panel was intact, butI know nothing of its life before that,

I have serviced the car twice in the time ive owned it, full filter set and oil (correct oil before anyone asks)

so ive no idea on the cause tbh,

Further to my response #5

£200 seems about the going rate for remanufactured

http://www.londonturbos.co.uk/BV3954399880022.html

 

Would you bother with 2nd hand wreckers with that sort of cost? More hassle than worth?

 

A nice summary table on other compatible vehicles too.

 

 

Edited 12 December, 20169 yr by TheClient

one thing that has just sprung to mind is that upon taking the exhaust manifold it had 2 gaskets between the manifold and block, I never seen that before till today. surely car has only one

one thing that has just sprung to mind is that upon taking the exhaust manifold it had 2 gaskets between the manifold and block, I never seen that before till today. surely car has only one

No personal experience but I would of suggested 1. And this diagram shows 1?

http://workshop-manuals.com/skoda/octavia-mk2/drive_unit/1.9/77_kw_tdi_pd_engine/exhaust_turbocharger_g-charger/charge-air_system_with_exhaust_gas_turbocharger_part_2/exhaust_gas_turbocharger_summary_of_components_(octavia_ii)/summary_of_components_for_engine_with_identification_characters_bjb/

hmmmm, so theres been someone messing in this area previously and maybe hadn't removed original and then placed a new one on top, wtf

and I suppose possibility of something maybe found its way into the intake

hopefully its f****d my turbo then left via exhaust, hate to think put another turbo on for it to shred that too

hmmmm, so theres been someone messing in this area previously and maybe hadn't removed original and then placed a new one on top, wtf

and I suppose possibility of something maybe found its way into the intake

hopefully its f****d my turbo then left via exhaust, hate to think put another turbo on for it to shred that too

It is a bit of a riddle that is for sure. Maybe the manifold to cylinder head connection has an issue and has been bodged by trying to space it out using 2 gaskets?  I'm just hypothesizing of course. Definitely would seem there has been activity in there.  Not sure if it is related to the compressor wheel or not. If someone wasn't careful when they were messing about...

 

What is the car doing, or not doing properly? Could the exhaust leak you have heard be the sound of the manifold to cylinder head interface with the 2 gaskets in use?.

car hasn't been doing anything out of the ordinary, till after parking my car bout a week ago at standstill I happened to press accelerator on getting out and the car revved to bout 2000rpm, from about 1800-2000 the car made a raspy/rattle/resonating sound type noise

was a little down on mpg, and did feel slightly more sluggish tbh but not massivly

a bit like an exhaust leak, or loose boost pipe, so smoke tested it, all was well,

no exhaust fumes also in engine bay ect,no sooting ect

so started removing egr+cooler+intake manifold looking for fractures split pipes ect,none found, only thing left to check was turbo, and low and behold shredded compressor blades

 

hopefully I can sort a turbo tomorrow and both manifold gasket sets, and then I may find the reasonit had 2 on, hopefully theres no more problem with manifold/block connection, fingers crossed

 

what options would I have to replace with upgraded turbo?

what would fit?

something to think about for me while ive got it stripped of the motor

would a pd130 or 150 turbo fit?

is exhaust manifold the same?

as I would think I could get my hands on a mk4 golf turbo easily

 

a bit like an exhaust leak, or loose boost pipe, so smoke tested it, all was well,

no exhaust fumes also in engine bay ect,no sooting ect

so started removing egr+cooler+intake manifold looking for fractures split pipes ect,none found, only thing left to check was turbo, and low and behold shredded compressor blades

 

what options would I have to replace with upgraded turbo?

what would fit?

something to think about for me while ive got it stripped of the motor

If the seal between the two gaskets had blown out or the fit of the manifold is poor which is why two gaskets have been used, then that would cause and exhaust leak and some exhaust gas bypassing turbo. Shredded compressor blades probably don't help with boost but I wonder how long they've been like that.....

 

The listings with a match for your part show the directly compatible parts so would be a Mk5 1.9tdi and other VAG models with similar listing as per the tables.

 

I've no experience of fitting upgraded or different turbos to these so would need to wait until someone who has responds. Clearly it will not only be the manifold fit and stud pattern - it is also the exhaust downpipe and intake tracts in addition and even a small size difference or a small variance in connection layout would need modifications or down pipes extra parts of exhaust etc.

I seem to have it in my head that the PD130 and PD150 turbos will fit but you have to mount then the other way on the manifold or something along those lines.

 

The BXE was used in the Golf, Touran, Caddy, Passat, Jetta, Octavia, Roomster, Fabia, Superb, Ibiza, Leon, Altea, Toledo, A3. So there should plenty of them around.

 

I wouldn't bother with a second hand one.

 

If you're doing it on a budget then a re manufactured is probably your best bet without risking a used one. At least a re-man unit will have new innards. Make sure you get a new oil feed pipe too if the turbo doesn't already come with one.

Right bit more of an update, I found what looks like a good turbo (fingers crossed), heard the car running it came of ect, compressor blades are perfect, no oil weeping anywhere ect, no play on central shaft, so fitted it today,

new exhaust ( x1 gasket this time lol) and intake manifold gasket, new oil and filter, turbo oil feed pipe, car fires up fine, engine idles nice, no jumping about in engine bay, no fault codes in VCDS other than one for my missing OEM radio (aftermarket fitted) and intermittent fault with drivers door locking module, but the same problem persists, very loud and strange resonating/rattling once you get to 1800 rpm and above, I dare not use the car for fear something will damage the turbo that I've just put on what do I need to be checking next?
I'm hoping its nothing internally with engine as that's me up **** creek and beyond my limited skills to repair, unless I was fitting complete engine which I could manage to do, but at moment cant afford to source one, but as I have nothing but **** luck this is what I'm now expecting, but would appreciate any advice as what should be my next move,

 

also just today realised my engine is not the bxe, but bkc, only found this out after phoning motor factors today  for some parts,

even though I have bought things there before and they've had my reg for part no's ect  , engine code was never mentioned

I always assumed it was a bxe, as this what it was stated as from the salvage auction I bought it, so after that phone call today I actually checked my log book (should have read it properly and not assumed though tbh that the salvage seller had it correct ), and low and behold its engine code is bkc

EDIT:
Just been watching a few videos on YouTube regarding worn camshaft, this is the exact  noise, and popping with the boost pipe of intake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8l_wbjlzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ber08mvVII

 

going to see a friend of mine in morning  (a mechanic of 25 years now) to give me his opinion before ordering all parts required

so now next job is camshaft kit, and may as well also do timing belt and water pump, as the cam pulley gotta come of anyhow

getting dammmmmmmm expensive now this motor

so hopefully after fitting turbo and doing the above the car should be right for a while

now my next question, where is best place to source a cam kit other than dealers???

been looking on ebay ect, but some are cast, some steel, wtf do I buy please?

also after ive sourced the parts, what should I be looking at price wise for cam kit + timing belt kit fitted?

 timing belt I'm not confident enough to try, never done one before and I am scared to try tbh, could manage if I was shown once though I guess

cam looks a doddle once you've got timing belt + cam pulley off though tbh

Edited 16 December, 20169 yr by moiloon

It is annoying it is still there, that you tube clip sounds quite nasty,  but at least you have confidence in the turbo now.

 

I'm sure someone will have more experience than me on these 1.9tdis  but to give you a start, there seems to be quite a bit of cross compatibility between belts / camshafts and so on between BXE and BKC so that is probably not a big issue, the engine is quite possibly very similar anyway.........waiting to be corrected.

 

Timing belt kits from decent after market manufacturers seem to be about £90 and up from my searches.  Camshaft kits -  first repair kit I came across was from darkside developments saying OEM parts including Cam, lifters, bearing, seal.

 

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/complete-camshaft-kit-for-1-9-8v-pd-engines.html

 

 then this

 

https://shop.zedperformance.co.uk/vw-audi-1.9-TDI-PD-camshaft-kit

 

 

If it is looking like you're going to have to get the job done by a garage, maybe give a couple a call? You could also call Skoda or another motor factor to get a firm price on parts only from your VIN / Engine Code.

 

Edit: Labour's got to be upwards of 5 hours for the job doesn't it? I suppose a better price may be to try to get them to price the camshaft replace  as an add on to a cambelt change.

Edited 17 December, 20169 yr by TheClient

right more of an update

went to see my mechanic friend this morning 1st thing, he too thinks its the camshaft, although he couldnt be certain until I remove the rocker top/cam cover,

I  was gonna do it today, till I realised I don't have the correct size torx bit, so in morning I'm taking the car to my other friends garage at his home (1/4 mile from my home)  where I fitted turbo, as all the correct gear is there, and a little warmer than working on my drive with the weather today, bloody freezing here!!

 

and if the cam lobe/s are off and worn through lifter/s my mechanic pal says if I source the parts he will repair my motor on xmas eve, now there is commitment for you!!

I will however be paying mates rates for labour, and probs owe him favours for ever lol

Edited 17 December, 20169 yr by moiloon

well took the rocker top/ cam cover of and what a mess the cam lobe is in for cylinder 3, totally flattened of on the point of the lobe, and also squared off along the lobes length,,

so I found a complete cam kit including , cam lifters ,shell bearings and all stretch bolts required at £204,

now trying to source the cheapest gates timing belt kit including water pump, which I'm having difficulty finding

at least 1 consolation is that my mechanic pal says he will do the cam replacement, timing belt and water pump on xmas eve for very good mates rates @ £100 for labour which I'm gonna owe him forever lol,

and I'm also gonna drop the oil again as when taking cam cover off today  to inspect there was traces of metal in the oil, hopefully that's just from the very very well worn camshaft lobe as its nearly 1/4 inch difference in length and about 1/8 of an inch in width  to the others,

what a xmas this is turning out to be this year :thumbdown:

Sounds like a bargain. A good mate. I'm worried about what you'll be doing for him though.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-VW-SEAT-SKODA-1-4-1-9-TDI-2-0-SDI-8v-KP55569XS-2-Timing-Belt-Kit-Water-Pump-/201524309934?hash=item2eebc8efae:g:hx0AAOSwuAVWwllC

^{yes he is a good mate, but not good enough for those kind of favours your thinking of    lol}

also while I'm this far into this repair, what injector upgrade options do I have?

and how bhp much gain if any  could be had ?

also would it be plug and play so to speak?

or would new injectors need to be setup and coded to car?

 

shame the 2.0 tdi bkd set wouldnt work ,as I have a set of 4 I bought for my mk5 golf just before I sold it

Edited 19 December, 20169 yr by moiloon

Injectors would have to be coded afaik