Probably driving a 1.0 Octavia or Ford....:)

There's 2 things on the motorway which I can't really understand why people do it,

 

1, Pull out of the lane there in to overtake something about a mile away 

 

2, Continue in the lane there in then have to slam on the brakes as they have come across something in there lane.  

1) But if I don't pull out in good time I might get boxed in and then no-one will let me out.

2) Are you mad!!!? The most dangerous thing you can do on a motorway is change lanes, particularly to pull into the "fast lane".

It's about time, they've been talking about doing this for long enough. It should be mandatory, along with pass plus, or even part  of the pass plus if not part of the DOT test.

 

How could it be mandatory when many parts of the country are no-where near a motorway?

How could it be mandatory when many parts of the country are no-where near a motorway?

Couldn't people, you know, drive there, seeing as they're already in a car. Or use dual-carriageways as a simulation.

Furthest points from a Motorway in England and Wales are 64 and 90 miles respectively. (Norwich to Cambridge M11 and Aberystwyth to Telford M54)

Wick to Perth for the M90 is a bit more at 215 ish miles.

Couldn't people, you know, drive there, seeing as they're already in a car. Or use dual-carriageways as a simulation.

Furthest points from a Motorway in England and Wales are 64 and 90 miles respectively. (Norwich to Cambridge M11 and Aberystwyth to Telford M54)

Wick to Perth for the M90 is a bit more at 215 ish miles.

That can be 2-3 hours each way though, more in Scotland.

That can be 2-3 hours each way though, more in Scotland.

I'll skip the point that Wick isn't even the town furthest North from Perth, and just observe that 215 miles in Scotland is likely to be more like 4 hours. Oh and then ask about Shetland, which is 20 hours in a ferry from Aberdeen, and then I'd guess another 1.5 hours to Perth.

I'll skip the point that Wick isn't even the town furthest North from Perth, and just observe that 215 miles in Scotland is likely to be more like 4 hours. Oh and then ask about Shetland, which is 20 hours in a ferry from Aberdeen, and then I'd guess another 1.5 hours to Perth.

In which case they could make a mini-break of it; get and see the mainland, pop to a department store etc. CalMac get a few bob revenue, the islanders get to see a city; It's win-win ;) :D

The M90 or even the M8 are not much of a Motorway to bother about getting the hang of driving on in most of their length.

It is high time people were required to learn to drive in the dark, in adverse weather conditions, in the countryside and on narrow roads out of Cities & Towns, 

then pass a test to show they are skilled enough in doing so.

If not just licence them to drive in towns in daylight conditions.

I don't think you can blame "being trapped behind LGVs" for CLOGies; I've encountered CLOGies on occasions when the individual CLOGie and I were the only 2 vehicles in sight in our direction (Including on the M54 so not just in Scotland). 

 

Oh I don't think it's an excuse, just maybe some dark memory that makes these plonkers feel safer in the middle. In the way.

 

Where you've no middle lane people just sit in the overtaking lane mile after mile for no reason. No idea there is a queue, coz they pay road as well so they're entitled to drive how they want.

 

Dundee to Perth every day, there is always one (if not 10) people doing 65 in the overtaking lane with 50 cars piled up behind them. No doubt tutting away when some people start to undertake.

Couldn't people, you know, drive there, seeing as they're already in a car. Or use dual-carriageways as a simulation.

Furthest points from a Motorway in England and Wales are 64 and 90 miles respectively. (Norwich to Cambridge M11 and Aberystwyth to Telford M54)

Wick to Perth for the M90 is a bit more at 215 ish miles.

 

So you expect someone from Aberystwyth to drive 180 miles, plus miles on the motorway, probably taking at least 4 hours?

How utterly urbano-centric of you!!

Interesting topic,

My daughter passed her test on Thursday, 1st time.

Took her out today in the Citigo, to get her used to the car, learnt in a Corsa.

We are lucky that we have the A2 near us which is 4 lanes each way, so she has had a few lessons on that.

Her instructor taught her well as we made good progress on the slip road and she adjusted her speed to enter safely.

So I don't see that having motorway training made part of lessons is the way forward when most motorways are only 2/3 lanes, when the principals can be taught on Duel Carriageways, which are allot more widespread than motorways.

So you expect someone from Aberystwyth to drive 180 miles, plus miles on the motorway, probably taking at least 4 hours?

How utterly urbano-centric of you!!

I knew you'd bite :D HNY, Graham :party:

We are lucky that we have the A2 near us which is 4 lanes each way,

 

Wow........that would confuse the middle lane hoggers, " should we be in lane 2 or 3  :notme: "

Wow........that would confuse the middle lane hoggers, " should we be in lane 2 or 3  :notme: "

The answer is lane 3. M25 is full of 50-60mph club members in lane 3! In the meantime I can quite happily spend a 50 mile stretch doing 70 whilst using lane 1, and moving into an empty lane 2 to overtake the odd lorry. :x :peek:

The answer is lane 3. M25 is full of 50-60mph club members in lane 3! In the meantime I can quite happily spend a 50 mile stretch doing 70 whilst using lane 1, and moving into an empty lane 2 to overtake the odd lorry. :x :peek:

M27 Eastbound at around 8am and again from 4pm; lane one flows like a dream and lanes two and three are crawling along, stop n go lol

We have pre-merging notices that declare 'Left Lane Ceases in x metres"

It's the curbside lane that apparently ceases to be

No wonder people avoid it

The fundamental law ought to be that the car in front has way (arc de triumph roundabout) instead of the current one where the one with the most speed rules by using it as a weapon to put the fear of god into the lesser beings.......at least in our neck of the woods

Couldn't people, you know, drive there, seeing as they're already in a car. Or use dual-carriageways as a simulation.

Furthest points from a Motorway in England and Wales are 64 and 90 miles respectively. (Norwich to Cambridge M11 and Aberystwyth to Telford M54)

Wick to Perth for the M90 is a bit more at 215 ish miles.

I've just done a quick check on two nearest motorways to my home village- around the 140 mile, but average that at 45 -50 and your lesson is going to take some time. To appreciate the point, perhaps Lee should volunteer for an exchange up there ( Lee- on the Argyl peninsula, 30 is a good speed on single track roads -it's only say 60 miles each way from Fort William -Ardumurchan light, but the road ( even now is just wider than a Box Transit, and once there you'd have to put stuff back in the racks.

 

 

Lee - for those within a short drive of Fort William ,there is a dual carriage way - all 400 yards of it

Ryeman- similar to J3-4 SB on M6 - there's a four lane section with advance lane ceases notices, but there's always a mad painc to get back in- usually Audi /BMW & mERC DRIVERS. 

Edited 3 January, 20179 yr by VWD

I was talking to an ADI last night and it was interesting to hear he wouldn't be going anywhere near a motorway with a student anytime soon as they're far too inexperienced, not to mention that 'seasoned' drivers are far too unpredictable due to bad habits.

Driving schools could look to virtual reality to train drivers, it is good enough to train surgeons https://virtualrealityreporter.com/virtual-reality-surgical-medical-application/ then it could be applied to driver training, aircraft pilots have used flight simulators for decades as a training aid.