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Has there been a borescope in the cylinder yet to see if there is obvious damage or not?

 

If not damaged obviously then a new set of spark plugs and away you go, 

unless there is an issue with the valves, rings, pistons.

 

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What has happened so far?

The borescope has been done and they have said there is no damage as far as they can tell. They have put new plugs in and have had the car running with no issues but they don't want to let me have the car back until they have an answer from Skoda. They have said they want me to do the oil consumption test which I have to pay for and if it fails then Skoda uk will supply the parts and I have to pay for labour. What I don't want to do is have to pay for extra parts and labour if due to the fitting of incorrect spark plugs has caused these current issues or any possible future problems with piston/plug number 2.  

Do not pay anything really.

They put in the wrong  plugs at the last service, and now under the OEM parts warranty they are replaced.

 

Do your own oil consumption test because you said it never used oil, the Master Tech said it did.

 

It was the wrong plugs, one fowled and burnt the tip.

Sorted, and if they have the latest software on now if they never did at the last plug change things should be good.

 

Run 5w 40 FS Oil, VW502 00 and do not let the Dealership or Skoda rip you off.

If it is burning / using oil in the next 4 tanks of fuel then let them do the Official Test and you will not have to pay if it is an oil user.

 

They are taking the p!th.

PS My bad,  now i re-read post #19

I see where you said 1 litre every 1,500 miles and that would pass an official oil consumption test, (not fail an oil consumption test.)   

So it was and is actually an oil user if using that excessive amount of oil between services,.

 

Well not were they say 0.5 litres 1000 km, so 1 litre every 1,242 miles, 

Except engines that used 0.3 litres every 1,000 km were replaced after places doing the check said they were within tolerance.

Edited 10 January, 20179 yr by Offski

Sorry to go slightly off topic but what's stopping people removing some oil to fraudulently show excessive oil use to get a new engine?

Wow! Never ever thought of that. Despite my frustations with Skoda and dealers over the years, I would never commit a fraud like that.

If Skoda do monitor this forum as has been suggested, you might now have thrown a spanner in the works for people with oil burning engines.

Maybe they put some kind of seals on the drain plug and dipstick?

I'm sure it isn't the first time someone's thought about it :D

I would think if it fails the original oil test they will then do there own leak down test to confirm.

My thinking was if it's such a common fault dealing with these on a daily basis they wouldn't bother to check.

Filler caps and dipstick used to be sealed
Owners removing oil was less of an issue than technicians putting in too much oil and some not even knowing the weight of a litre of engine oil but doing a report where they weigh oil before and after a test and calculate the use over 1000km when a vehicle covers 300 or 600 km. All a nonsense

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/297231-how-much-oil-in-the-vrs

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

Edited 11 January, 20179 yr by Offski

I suppose you could also let the car sit idling for a long time... :D

The dealer has all ready started the oil consumption test. They have weighed the oil and put the right quantity in and apparently the sump plug and dipstick have been taped up this will be interesting to see when I do finally get my car back, which is hopefully soon.  

They put in the correct quantity of new oil, 3.6 litres with a new filter, check the level, and when the oil has been heated drain it and weigh. 

857 grams a litre.

Oil is put back in the engine.

Then the mileage is covered,  and the oil is drained and weighed, the difference in weight shows how much was used.

 

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How many miles have you to drive before they drain the oil?

 

 

This is how it used to be done.

Edited 11 January, 20179 yr by Offski

I don't understand why some places do the weight test that way.

There's a fantastic test plan on Odis that verifies the chassis number, oil temp at the drain point, the correct mileage and the whole process is timed so it remains a fair test. Once the relevant mileage has been covered you repeat the test and it calculates the results with print outs.

Edited 11 January, 20179 yr by James@RRGRochdale

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Why would so many Skoda Dealership technicians get the quantity of oil put in at services wrong and end up putting 3.9 or 4.2 litres in.

Is it just carelessness?

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Why would so many Skoda Dealership technicians get the quantity of oil put in at services wrong and end up putting 3.9 or 4.2 litres in.

Is it just carelessness?

It has the quantity of oil required printed on every single service sheet (so I'll leave you to decide on whether it's carelessness or not :s)

Offski at the moment I don't know how many miles I have to do, I am waiting for some phone calls tomorrow to explain what is happening so fingers crossed I get the car back soon.

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Are you without a car all this time while a Borescope has been used and new plugs and an oil & filter has been changed.

2 hours max stretching it out, even 4 to be kind to them. 

Surely skoda should foot the bill here my brand new engine I got a year or two ago doesn't use a single drop of oil so why should people like this chap who's had the car since new have to suffer, I know no two engines are the same but if everyone's engine was burning oil .. like a Honda Civic type R for instance then fair enough but mine isn't so obviously it's a flaw it's self explanatory really

The dealer has had the car since 30/12/16 so sadly we have been down to 1 car and using taxis when needed. I don't blame the dealer as they were concerned about the issues I raised, the problem seemed to be that nobody could find records of spark plug codes and when they were superseded.

 

The good news is we can collect the car on Monday but sadly we have to take it back after 600 miles to see what the oil consumption test results are. 

 

Thank you to everyone who has offered help and advice and if anybody is interested I will post the results when I get them.

All the best.

 

Someone at that Skoda Dealership or Skoda UK is having a laugh as they know exactly when they starting stocking the spark plugs that VW changed to.

03c905601A     NGK PZFR6R (5758)

to

03c905601B     NGK SIZFR6B8EG (96269)

http://ngkntk.co.uk/index.php/oe-success/audi

Audi 1.4TFSI 185ps Twincharger

PZFR6R8EG

 

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

Edited 13 January, 20179 yr by Offski

the problem seemed to be that nobody could find records of spark plug codes and when they were superseded.

 

The phrase "bend over sir while I insert this" comes to mind!

I wonder if anyone could help me, my 1.4tsi engine with a cthe engine in has failed because apparently my spark plug had broken off and fallen into the engine. The car was taken to the dealership two weeks previous to it breaking down as It wasnt driving right, after they had changed the water pump. They had the car for two days and said that the car is perfectly fine and there’s nothing wrong with it. It then broke down on me and this is the situation I’m in now. 

Any help would be appreciated

Welcome.

 

If there was no tip to retrieve and no scored bores then it never broke off it was burned down.

Not uncommon if you look at the Spark Plug CAVE / CTHE thread pinned above.

 

When the tip does break off as it has for a good few you know about it.

Edited 7 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

So who’s at fault for this since they had the car two weeks ago and clearly didn’t diagnose the fault. The repair bill has come to 6 and a half grand

You never told the full story. 

Sorry, i misunderstood, i thought the car was OK now.  Just a plug with a tip no longer there.

 A replacement engine installed in the UK is not £6,500 as much as main dealers like to say they are.

 

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Are you saying it is wrecked and the broken tip is there in the cylinder?  Is the diagnosis, Bore Scored, Piston or valve burned out, ring / scraper broken or what?

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What was the Fault Code they acted on, 'Misfires'?

 If the Water Pump was needed surely the spark plugs should have been checked / replaced as well.

 

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What country are you in?

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Was this a Main Dealership that replaced the Water Pump?

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What servicing has it had and when is there a record of spark plugs being changed?

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/475841-2012fabia-combi-rs-cave-engine-is-toast

 

Edited 7 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

I only know from what I was told on the phone yesterday, a brief conversation. But yeah they said the tip has come off and gone into the engine and burnt it out or some **** like that. The water pump was done through main dealer. I am in the UK, West Midlands. The spark plugs had been changed by a independent mechanic a year ago so I know they were definitely changed. I am most certain that it threw misfire codes up. I maintained the car, always topped up oil with recommended oil. When they had replaced the waterpump when I got it back it was throwing up magnetic clutch supercharger sensor fault and that was when I took it back and they said everything was okay which clearly it wasn’t