Doe anyone know if their/a council has dealt with the issue of a 'charging' power cable crossing a pedestrian path and the legal liabilities it would potentially involve?.

Perhaps they simply don't want to know(?).

5 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Doe anyone know if their/a council has dealt with the issue of a 'charging' power cable crossing a pedestrian path and the legal liabilities it would potentially involve?.

Perhaps they simply don't want to know(?).

 

There is quite an industry in the UK pursuing personal injuries against employers, for accidents at work, and property owners for injuries that occur occur on private property.

 

The UK has very poor law and information about responsibility for such things and there are assumes by property owners that are just plain wrong. The classic one is postmen where in the UK we have the letter box on our doors so the postman has to come to our door via  our drive etc.   Then the fall over on the path because it is slippy or has a cable across it and can start a personal injury case.

 

I prefer Canada and US ways of doing things ie the post box is on the edge of the property "Do not come on my property".  If I had to charge an EV in the road I would carry a cable cover, a couple of one metre sections............

 

    

41 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

There is quite an industry in the UK pursuing personal injuries against employers, for accidents at work, and property owners for injuries that occur occur on private property.

 

The UK has very poor law and information about responsibility for such things and there are assumes by property owners that are just plain wrong. The classic one is postmen where in the UK we have the letter box on our doors so the postman has to come to our door via  our drive etc.   Then the fall over on the path because it is slippy or has a cable across it and can start a personal injury case.

 

I prefer Canada and US ways of doing things ie the post box is on the edge of the property "Do not come on my property".  If I had to charge an EV in the road I would carry a cable cover, a couple of one metre sections............

 

    

I don't know how big the cable would need to be but I would have thought a cut groove would do it.

Councils can't ignore it.

Hasn't happened yet where I live/work. I don't even think it would be considered.

 

I would assume that this would be coverfed the same as any other circumstance where a resident had left a trip hazard across a public path.

 

I'd guess a cable cover would probably be enough for you to have said to have taken reasonable steps and negate any claims. Just trailing a cable across a pavement is asking for trouble and you'd probably deserve it.

Huge campervan parks up the road from me on a small private estate and he always has a lead out from his garage across the path under a similar item as above. Not heard of any problems 

I guess London doesn't need to worry about breaching EU guidelines now

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38990192

I've been quite let down by Reading BC. Where I live, there's a communal off-road parking for cars (you can't park your car in front of the house, it's pedestrian only). A year or so ago, they completely re-did the car park. Nice new shiny tarmac, fancy diagnonal paving tiles, etc. New lamp posts with power, etc. No charging points.

I asked the council and had the support of Chargemaster also campaigning on my behalf about installing them and I'd be happy to part pay for it. Answer: "not interested, don't have the budget" :(

 

^^^^^^ good to see they are addressing charging away from home, but I can't believe they don't acknowledge the reality of home charging issues involving their jurisdiction: the footpath 

If Britain manufactured a BEV, maybe they'd be onboard 

Where there is blame there is a claim!

 

There will be Council Bylaws covering public footpaths and highways and electric leads crossing them, and then private estates and places open to the public will have conditions and matters relating to H&S and planning etc.

If they do not then they are in trouble likely as is someone using electricity from a utilities company taking cables off their property or others and across a public pavement or path.

 

A few people or animals being electrocuted or tripped up and there will be actions taking place by those with statutory duty to the public's safety.

Much like those that do take cables out to the road for doing anything on vehicles, risky....

 

 

They've got their heads firmly in the sand it seems.

London has a serious issue and they do a Nero 

I'd expect your local Council to start to issues licences to trail a cable across a public footpath.

Every little helps £$£

20 hours ago, Xavier said:

I've been quite let down by Reading BC. Where I live, there's a communal off-road parking for cars (you can't park your car in front of the house, it's pedestrian only). A year or so ago, they completely re-did the car park. Nice new shiny tarmac, fancy diagnonal paving tiles, etc. New lamp posts with power, etc. No charging points.

I asked the council and had the support of Chargemaster also campaigning on my behalf about installing them and I'd be happy to part pay for it. Answer: "not interested, don't have the budget" :(

 

Don't worry - They're about to start charging massive fees for going anywhere in diesels, so they'll have plenty of money soon... After which some Whitleyite will hack your charging cable apart and you'll be fined to the nines under H&S violations for having an exposed cable end.

38 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

 

Don't worry - They're about to start charging massive fees for going anywhere in diesels, so they'll have plenty of money soon... After which some Whitleyite will hack your charging cable apart and you'll be fined to the nines under H&S violations for having an exposed cable end.

 

Nah the wee oik will try to chop the cable while your charging to sell the copper. You'll be up on charges for not having had the right grade of armoured cable to stop him cooking himself

1 minute ago, Aspman said:

 

Nah the wee oik will try to chop the cable while your charging to sell the copper. You'll be up on charges for not having had the right grade of armoured cable to stop him cooking himself

 

He will chop it for that, regardless. But once they see ^that post, you will be charged for not having the right armour (despite it being council-fitted) and for having an exposed cable, as well as contributing to the death of said ned.

Anything to force more money out of you... and while he's doing a Tyburn Jig, his mate will still nick your Nissan golf cart.

To me this is THE major issue associated with the take up of BEV's.  There are huge swathes of the country where houses do not have drives and residents cannot always park in front of their house (or even near).  For these people BEV's are effectively a non-starter and take up will therefore be negligible.  I can see what Lol-Lol is saying but in some places round by me you'd potentially need hundreds of meters of the stuff to reach your car...   and that's before you even think about the spaghetti of cables that would ensue with more than a few BEVs being hooked up...

2 hours ago, skomaz said:

There are huge swathes of the country where houses do not have drives and residents cannot always park in front of their house (or even near). 

 

Yes, but who cares about the peasants? They should all be taking the bus, surely... or driving around in diesel cars that cost them even more of their benefits payments?

Up in places like Earley, you're lucky to even find a space, let alone one within 400m of your own house... and that's assuming the multiple occupancy dwellings haven't already nicked your cables, too!!

I wouldn't worry about a long cable run in inner London frinstance as neighbors will adapt to something inevitable in the not too distant future.

It'd be interesting to be at a council meeting to see how they respond to the question though.

Not worrying about London... it's outside London that's the problem.

Just now, Ttaskmaster said:

Not worrying about London... it's outside London that's the problem.

But that's the point.

If London doesn't have a policy (re a cable crossing a footpath), who would, at this stage?. 

Plenty of other cities trialling congestion charging and things... Reading was going to be one, but as usual they realised how badly they'd have run it and dropped out.

24 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

Plenty of other cities trialling congestion charging and things... Reading was going to be one, but as usual they realised how badly they'd have run it and dropped out.

Really? I hadn't heard of anything in Reading. Only this morning where they're talking about charging companies for allowing people to park as an extra kind of tax (!!)

Also, with the recent news that all councils (including Reading) will raise tax by around 5% to cover social care, I doubt very EV charging infrastructure will get a look at.

Reading was one of those recent Worst Polluting Cities (even though it's not a city), that was going to trial congestion charging, diesel charges and other such measures including EV schemes. They've considered and proposed this stuff several times before but always seem to apathetically just let it fall by the wayside. It took them several goes to get the Readi-Bike thing running.

Now, after being one of the most illegally polluting areas, it's suddenly been deemed as safe again... including Cemetary Junction.

 

TBH, I'd expect Oxford would be a more likely place to make EVs work.

5 hours ago, Xavier said:

Really? I hadn't heard of anything in Reading. Only this morning where they're talking about charging companies for allowing people to park as an extra kind of tax (!!)

Reading Council were suggesting they would do that when I worked in Reading in 1976 to 1978...

 

I'm guessing they still aren't charging companies?

6 minutes ago, SWBoy said:

Reading Council were suggesting they would do that when I worked in Reading in 1976 to 1978...

 

I'm guessing they still aren't charging companies?

They already do; it's called "business rates".