Yes true. As there is some drag there the engine is under more load so you can hear the change in revs and noise.

 

Plus it's very quick to re-engage D as you don't even need to press the button. You can just press the brake pedal and flick the lever down into D and you're off.

Interestingly I have left my car for service at a main dealer and been given a lift to work.

talen in a 4x4 dsg Octavia.

First think the Skoda employed driver did was turn off stop and start as he doesn't like it.

We then went off into

heavy traffic and every time we stopped he applied the hand brake! Gearbox always in drive mode.

This presumably leaves the drive trying to move the car against the handbrake and wasting fuel whilst wearing the clutches.

 

As everyone will have been taught to drive like this, and some do not change to suit how the dsg works, perhaps this is why some dsg boxes are failing early?

The answer is, specified from the manufacturer ZF that whilst on a red light or any other brief stop, the DSG is to be left in D while the clutches disengages. 

10 minutes ago, BGB said:

The answer is, specified from the manufacturer ZF that whilst on a red light or any other brief stop, the DSG is to be left in D while the clutches disengages. 

I though that the DSG was built under license from Borg Warner.  ZF produce BMW's gearboxes?

 

As stated in previous posts the clutch(s) will only disengage if the foot is kept on the footbrake.

Terrible sorry, I meant BW not ZF.

 

Yes, the footbrake must be pressed for the clutches to disengage. I literally never heard of anyone using their handbrake at a light or a brief stop. Must be an UK thing :p

Yes a UK Highway Code and driving instruction training going back decades, and weather, locations and various different situations.

'Do not dazzle other road users what ever vehicle they may be in behind you.'

 

EU Type Approval as it has adapted or not over the decades and modern technology and the UK Highway Code can sometimes be at odds.

ie Brake Lights / Front Fog Lights.

Possibly, but it is also the polite thing to do, so you aren't dazzling the person behind by having your brake lights on.

Edited 8 March, 20179 yr by Llanigraham

21 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

heavy traffic and every time we stopped he applied the hand brake! Gearbox always in drive mode.

This presumably leaves the drive trying to move the car against the handbrake and wasting fuel whilst wearing the clutches.

 

As everyone will have been taught to drive like this, and some do not change to suit how the dsg works, perhaps this is why some dsg boxes are failing early?

 

Did he take his foot off the brake then? If so then he needs to be taught how to drive an auto properly!

 

Any automatic car that doesn't have a fancy electronic handbrake etc will pull against the handbrake if applied and you take your foot off the brake.

 

It is especially bad to do this in a DSG though due to there being clutches that can wear.

23 hours ago, Llanigraham said:

Possibly, but it is also the polite thing to do, so you aren't dazzling the person behind by having your brake lights on.

 

I have never heard of this practice before, in any other country - am stumped actually! It's certainly neither considered rude nor dazzling to keep your foot on the brake in a queue, here in Sweden. Fascinating!

It wasn't so bad before LED lights were introduced!