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Diesel Octavia - braking distance, engine, suspension questions

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Hi there!

Few questions that I can't find answers.

 

1. does EA288 in Skoda have balance shafts. In the engine description they are mentione in 'some' releases. Reading few american sources they mention that Skoda, Seat engines don't have such. 

 

"Balance Shafts
One version of the 2.0L TDI engine has a balance shaft 
system to reduce crankshaft inertial forces inherent in a straight four-cylinder engine. The balance shaft system has two countershafts rotating in opposite directions at double the speed of the crankshaft"

 

I've heard past issues with those in Audi engines.

 

2. Can anyone provide braking distance (100 to 0 km/h) data for 2.0 TDI equiped car? Can't find such info, only usual stuff - acceleration. I have the feeling the brake assistance is very aggressive in the beginning, then the feeling is very vague and like not stopping at all. Ghe feeling is like pushing the pedal but without any servo assistance.

 

3. When going over slowing bumps (small ones, rubber small cones) I hear 'clong' sometimes. Like spring or suspension issue, but in 90% I can't hear it :(

 

Thanks in advance!

100-0 should be around 34m for a 2.0TDI with 16" tyres. 2 different sources with that and another with 34.2 for the superb. ADAC found 35.3 for the RS.

 

Are you sure you're pressing the pedal *all the way down*? You should be almost triggering ABS even on a dry road, though to be honest I have found no reason to criticise the brakes on the Octy whatsoever.

 

The bumps: if the wheels are not straight and you hear it, it gets easier to understand. It's also possible there's something hitting the springs - have you checked all of the wheel wells and made sure there are no branches or so stuck?

 

 - Bret

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@brettikivi Thanks!

Going to inspect the spring on the left side. Good idea.

 

For the brakes 34m are more than impressive. Usually it's 36m a good result. Yes 2.0 TDI 16" wheels.

I will be more tha happy if you the sources as bookmarks and getting them :)

 

What I feel - after the first strong assistance if you continue the lack amplification and hard to press further. I have to admit, maybe if I press them fast the assistance bite very hard but I'm used to dose the pressure slowly and progressively. Maybe this is my mistake? For example I start to press it slowly, then more and more but again slowly to avoid ABS kicking in. Not sure where the end of the pedal is in real situations, which makes me feel little nervous.

As for the acceleration pedal, pressing it till 60% gives me almost full throttle response and next 40% gives me nothing. Just the feeling that no additional power is there to come :(

I found the 1st gear was torque limited and 2nd had full power available. 


Re: braking - I'd suggest finding an empty road and accelerating up to 100km/h and then pressing firmly the pedal. Without increasing pressure on the pedal, braking should get stronger as the pads get up to optimal temperature. 

I would also strongly suggest trying to press the pedal as hard as you can one time and clearing the rear discs if you're not 100% sure they are spotless. Permanent low levels of braking will not keep them clear, you do need to brake harder occasionally.

 

 - Bret

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Thanks Bret!

Will try those ideas.

 

Meanwhile I found an article pointing 38,4m braking distance for mk.3 vRS petrol, so for ours - I can assume ~40m

I haven't found any data regarding the 2.0 TDI but the ADAC website (sorry, it's in German) has tested:

- preFL 1.6 TDI with a braking distance of 34.4 m

https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/auto-test/detail.aspx?IDTest=5242

 

- FL 1.4 TSI with a braking distance of 34.5

https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/auto-test/detail.aspx?IDTest=5613&info=Skoda_Octavia+(III)+Combi

 

I am unsure if the added weight of the 2.0 TDI makes much of a difference. I have a 1.8 TSI that comes with bigger brakes, not sure what the 2.0 TDI has. ADAC has also tested a Superb Estate 1.6 TDI (37 m) and a Superb Hatchback 2.0 TDI (35.5 m). So I guess you should be closer to 35 m rather than 40 m (if you use a proper surface for braking, with correct tyre pressure and just the right temperature; maybe also with a near empty tank :P)

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@paulsoava , thanks. Very useful info.

 

As for the disks sizes 2.0 150hp has 288mm front and rear 234mm (for rear ones not 100% sure).

 

I believe 1.6 TDI is a good reference in terms of weight to braking distance. Even 1.6 TDI has smaller disks, if this matters at all for a single stop.

 

1.8 TSI is the best engine for this car, you've made the right choice :) Maybe also tyres are not that good, although reviews give them good scores on dry conditions. Conti EcoContact5. Planning to change them next season..

Edited by TTodorov

31 minutes ago, TTodorov said:

Maybe also tyres are not that good, although reviews give them good scores on dry conditions. Conti EcoContact5. Planning to change them next season..

CEC5's are more economy biases than performance, put CSC6's or Michelin PS4's on & I'd expect to take another 3 or 4 meters off that but, if you want your tyres to save you fuel & last forever you won't get ultimate performance.

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1 hour ago, themanwithnoaim said:

CEC5's are more economy biases than performance, put CSC6's or Michelin PS4's on & I'd expect to take another 3 or 4 meters off that but, if you want your tyres to save you fuel & last forever you won't get ultimate performance.

 

I was waiting for Continental PremiumContact 6 but, unfortunatelly, they don't released them for 16" wheels :(

 

Looking for better braking distance, less body roll and better wet handling, rather than fuel saving. Most probably Dunlop BlueResponse, might be something else, but ContiPrimuim 5 is not much different than the Eco, therefore not very worthy.

If they have rim protection - better. Bought Continental TS860 FR with rim protection - better looking, protection is good, performance as well...

 

Any suggestions for 16" ?

30 minutes ago, TTodorov said:

 

If they have rim protection - better. Bought Continental TS860 FR with rim protection - better looking, protection is good, performance as well...

 

Any suggestions for 16" ?

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 has very good rim protection currently, the whole of the Michelin range seems to, not sure where you are but, costco in the UK are doing some great prices on the Michelin range

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