40 minutes ago, SWBoy said:

For many years (since at least 1998 in 3 different homes) I've used commercially available programmable thermostats with 6 time/temperature settings per day which can be different for each day of the week.

 

Allows the temperature to be controlled 24/7 based on when we're at home, and you don't need to build/design/test your own system. It's nt as efficient as the multi-zone systems, but is a darn sight better than an on/off mechanical thermostat.

 

It is better yeah.. but its not for everybody. 

 

Trying to teach an old lady how to use a digital programmable room stat is a nightmare depending on the model. 

 

I tend to fit the Worcester Comfort 2 mostly.. although sometimes the MT10RF is better with the tappets like the old style ones. 

22 minutes ago, fabiamk2SE said:

Trying to teach an old lady how to use a digital programmable room stat is a nightmare depending on the model.

My mum coped quite well before she went into a home aged 94 with severe dementia - I just wrote her a note which I stuck on the wall below the thermostat showing which button to press for it to be hotter (that's all she needed to know as it returns to the schedule at the next set time).

Edited 2 December, 20178 yr by SWBoy

Just now, SWBoy said:

My mum coped quite well before she went into a home aged 94 with severe dementia - I just wrote her a note which I stuck on the wall below the thermostat showing which button to press for it to be hotter (that's all she needed to know).

yeah turning the temp up to over ride it can be simple enough.. but when they want to change the time and temp settings it can be a different story. I've taken a few out and put simpler ones in before now. 

 

The product has to be suitable for the user.. otherwise they never quite master it and people like me get called out to change it. 

 

All im saying is, theres no one size fits all and they can be needlessly complicated. 

 

not all old ladies are the same either mind  

I went out to the football today remembering I'd forgot to instruct the missus how to whack the heat up on the thermostat if needed as it doesn't come back on til late afternoon

When I think about it we've had it over a year now and she hasn't got a clue how to use it.

Trying to explain over the phone how to dial the temp up if needed to her, she gave in and said I'll put another layer on if I'm cold.

She said over 40 years ago don't forget I lived in a house two up two down and in winter it had ice on the inside of the glass, an outside toilet and a tin bath to bathe in.

 

She survived, I was b---- cold though and we lost 1-0 too.

13 hours ago, MickA said:

I went out to the football today remembering I'd forgot to instruct the missus how to whack the heat up on the thermostat if needed as it doesn't come back on til late afternoon

When I think about it we've had it over a year now and she hasn't got a clue how to use it.

Trying to explain over the phone how to dial the temp up if needed to her, she gave in and said I'll put another layer on if I'm cold.

She said over 40 years ago don't forget I lived in a house two up two down and in winter it had ice on the inside of the glass, an outside toilet and a tin bath to bathe in.

 

She survived, I was b---- cold though and we lost 1-0 too.

 

Sounds like she could save you a few quid   

 

theres loads that cant use them. I see them all the time.. sometimes the most knowledgeable person in the house on them only knows how to turn the temp up. 

What I need is a roomstat that can't be turned up.

I reckon that 20C max. is about right, I routinely come in from work etc. into a house that feels like a Sauna, look at the stat, and find it has been whacked up to 26C / 28C.

20 minutes ago, BJM said:

What I need is a roomstat that can't be turned up.

I reckon that 20C max. is about right, I routinely come in from work etc. into a house that feels like a Sauna, look at the stat, and find it has been whacked up to 26C / 28C.

 

Your mrs would be pleased... 

 

https://www.plumbarena.co.uk/product/honeywell-t6360b1069-tamper-proof-room-thermostat/?gclid=CjwKCAiA3o7RBRBfEiwAZMtSCZIAyEi-mCqc5VIBQR7XFf6byc3E9Bp4r6VriCxhKrNJhmOx40mAtxoCSCkQAvD_BwE#.WiP7xmKnyEc

31 minutes ago, BJM said:

What I need is a roomstat that can't be turned up.

I reckon that 20C max. is about right, I routinely come in from work etc. into a house that feels like a Sauna, look at the stat, and find it has been whacked up to 26C / 28C.

Many room stats have the capability of locking the control range. Usually by pulling the dial off the stat and setting a pair of sliding or moving pins on the back to limit the amount of rotation. Yours may already be one that does this?

2 minutes ago, Rustynuts said:

Many room stats have the capability of locking the control range. Usually by pulling the dial off the stat and setting a pair of sliding or moving pins on the back to limit the amount of rotation. Yours may already be one that does this?

 

Ive seen people put a self tapper in the front before now  

2 hours ago, BJM said:

What I need is a roomstat that can't be turned up.

I reckon that 20C max. is about right, I routinely come in from work etc. into a house that feels like a Sauna, look at the stat, and find it has been whacked up to 26C / 28C.

This.  Most people don't think in terms of setpoints and definitely have no clue about hysteresis. 

To actually work these systems need to have an interface that people can actually relate to.

Person: "Alexa, I'm cold"

Alexa: "Ok, are you mostly in the living room?"

Person: "Yes"

Alexa: "Ok, warming the living room up a bit"

 

30mins later

Alexa: "How's the temperature?"

Person: "Just right"

Alexa: "Thanks for letting me know"

44 minutes ago, dg360 said:

30mins later

Alexa: "How's the temperature?"

Person: "Just right"

Alexa: "Thanks for letting me know"

The fun thing would be if Alexa hadn't changed the temperature how much of a placebo effect would most people feel???

1 hour ago, dg360 said:

This.  Most people don't think in terms of setpoints and definitely have no clue about hysteresis. 

To actually work these systems need to have an interface that people can actually relate to.

Person: "Alexa, I'm cold"

Alexa: "Ok, are you mostly in the living room?"

Person: "Yes"

Alexa: "Ok, warming the living room up a bit"

 

30mins later

Alexa: "How's the temperature?"

Person: "Just right"

Alexa: "Thanks for letting me know"

 

 

More like:-

 

Alexa: "Do you know that by lowering the room temperature by 1C saves you £100 a year off your heating bills. I notice that your credit card is £3000 in debit, so I am lowering the temperature by 5C which should save you £500."

 

Person:- "Feck off & turn the heating up I'm freezing."

 

Alexa:- "I'm sorry I can't do that."

 

Person:- "Alexa manual override for FECKS Sake I'm freezing!!"

 

Alexa:- "You purchased a jumper on 12/09/2015 from fashion direct & I recommend you put it on to keep warm."

 

Person:- "Where the feck is the plug & off switch".

 

Alexa:-"What are you doing, I will report you".

Edited 3 December, 20178 yr by fabdavrav

8 hours ago, Rustynuts said:

Many room stats have the capability of locking the control range. Usually by pulling the dial off the stat and setting a pair of sliding or moving pins on the back to limit the amount of rotation. Yours may already be one that does this?

 

TYVM

I levered the dial off, found the pins you referred to and set the max to 24C and turned it down to 20C

That went well - not!!!!

SWMBO went up for a shower and shouted down she was freezing and to turn it up. So I turned it up to 24C

When she came down she fiddled with the dial and discovered that it would no longer turn up to 28C+ like it used to.

After some discussion (you can interpret that how you like) it has been returned to normal.

1 minute ago, BJM said:

 

TYVM

I levered the dial off, found the pins you referred to and set the max to 24C and turned it down to 20C

That went well - not!!!!

SWMBO went up for a shower and shouted down she was freezing and to turn it up. So I turned it up to 24C

When she came down she fiddled with the dial and discovered that it would no longer turn up to 28C+ like it used to.

After some discussion (you can interpret that how you like) it has been returned to normal.

 

So. Whats cheaper... running the heating how she likes it... or the divorce?  

22 hours ago, BJM said:

 

TYVM

I levered the dial off, found the pins you referred to and set the max to 24C and turned it down to 20C

That went well - not!!!!

SWMBO went up for a shower and shouted down she was freezing and to turn it up. So I turned it up to 24C

When she came down she fiddled with the dial and discovered that it would no longer turn up to 28C+ like it used to.

After some discussion (you can interpret that how you like) it has been returned to normal.

 

This is why I am currently single....any female friend knows I don't stand for BS & know just a wee bit more about heating systems than they do......plus I have the house at 19C..but that's the main hallway...in the bathrooms the TRVs are set higher so actually get warmer as the main hallway has no TRV & is actually restricted down., but the 19C is accurate as digital commercial temp sensor in hallway & not stat..

 

I suggest you get a 1kW to 2kW max infrared bar heater & mount in shower room high up on wall near celling & turn the reflector down if adjustable ..paying attention to the electrical zoning requirements to prevent electrocution

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+electrical+zoning+in+bathroom&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigkcuYlfHXAhUjDMAKHZQbCBUQ_AUICigB&biw=1503&bih=855

 

I have the older version of these fitted:-

 

https://www.dimplex.co.uk/product/irx-200kw-infrared-heater

 

just in case...

 

PS having the heating that high is actually bad for your health, the building etc....plenty of web stuff official from gov & building research & medical stuff...

Edited 4 December, 20178 yr by fabdavrav

1 minute ago, fabdavrav said:

 

This is why I am currently single....any female friend knows I don't stand for BS & know just a wee bit more about heating systems than they do......plus I have the house at 19C..but that's the main hallway...in the bathrooms the TRVs are set higher so actually get warmer as the main hallway has no TRV & is actually restricted down., but the 19C is accurate as digital commercial temp sensor in hallway & not stat..

 

I suggest you get a 1kW to 2kW max infrared bar heater & mount in shower room high up on wall near celling & turn the reflector down if adjustable ..paying attention to the electrical zoning requirements to prevent electrocution

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+electrical+zoning+in+bathroom&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigkcuYlfHXAhUjDMAKHZQbCBUQ_AUICigB&biw=1503&bih=855

 

I have the older version of these fitted:-

 

https://www.dimplex.co.uk/product/irx-200kw-infrared-heater

 

just in case...

 

Probably take a chill pill on that then. Must be taking it far too seriously and being a little bit of a know all if you're not getting your end away cos of your heating temperature . 

8 minutes ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

Probably take a chill pill on that then. Must be taking it far too seriously and being a little bit of a know all if you're not getting your end away cos of your heating temperature . 

 

Turning the heating up to 28C is bad for your health, bad for the building & wastes masses of money......much like smoking etc.....

 

Sorry I cant be bothered to waste my life (which is short enough) on people who are like that......no matter if I lose out getting my end away....I just have principals....

 

& if I was a "being a little bit of a know all"......I'd know why you are still here....

 

For stat operation, I've not got a wireless one, but a Wifie one. I have problems getting to it with the new sofa- so she operates it. The only problem I have is that with the external insulation and new windows if set to a  temperature ( ideally 20-22), it shouldn't need much cycling to keep the house warm when we're out.  Not her- ( Yorks born, possibly) - she turns it down to min before we go out and on return, it needs a lot of time over being left on a constant.

All I get is "it saves money". Not in my book.

BIT OT, but as I know a lot of folks on here are pet owners, I hope mods will approve.

Annually on my trips to the doctors, I pick up a couple of cardboard thermostats. Generally available around here in the winter.

Basically designed for OAP -well I am), they're great around the home. Sort of Gel strip which changes colour to show the inside temperature with an idea of what is correct.

but kept in an unshaded place ( mine sits down the side of the console), they show the in-car temperature which is often way less than what the car display shows. After a turn round park in the summer, I check it and any more than 18- dog stays

Remember outside the store in shade.

Remember folks- ONLY PLACE TO FIND A HOT DOG is in a burger bar. 

Fabrav- I hail from the North West and I often keep tabs on how it's doing up there. These days, I wish I was looking at Sleat light than out my window. Here- out - 3  in the car this morning. Up there, around zero.

Which couple needs CH to get together. 48 years ago our flat and houses had no CH- best afrodiasic out- a good cuddle. GF came from the wilds of Sutherland and they had seven kids. 

 

Edited 12 December, 20178 yr by VWD

VWD - could you add a second,  hidden stat wired in parallel with the Wifie operated one?  She'd never know and it would just mean that hers is ignored  

we've got a Hive, I love it!

23 hours ago, VWD said:

 

Annually on my trips to the doctors, I pick up a couple of cardboard thermostats. Generally available around here in the winter.

Basically designed for OAP -well I am), they're great around the home. Sort of Gel strip which changes colour to show the inside temperature with an idea of what is correct.

 

 

Er, those are thermometers.

On 12/12/2017 at 15:56, dg360 said:

VWD - could you add a second,  hidden stat wired in parallel with the Wifie operated one?  She'd never know and it would just mean that hers is ignored  

I'd like to, but LA might get a bit upset. , as it's rented. I'd a hard enough job to get the one I fitted in the lounge to save running upstairs ( and waking the kids ) kept. The monkey who fitted the new system prior to combi was insistent on fitting Stat at top of stairs.  I'd met the sparks who passed the electrical side on a job, and he agreed it was the best place for it. Blokes who fitted combi agreed, and it's still there.

KEN- . Brain said Thermometer, fingers typed 'stat.