hi, all. having a dilemma here. deciding between a new Kodiaq and a 2016 Superb with 22,000 miles clocked - 35% cheaper than the Kodiaq.

 

similarly specced. I like the ride height on the Kodiaq, but am tempted by the 35% saving the used Superb offers 

 

hoping to hear from people who've driven both the Kodiaq and the newest Superb 

 

cheers,

Chris

Go with the Superb. You won't drive it forever. 35% is really nice discount. In few years you'll change it and those 35% that you're saving now will be good amount to put for new vehicle. 

Unless you really need the 4wd or the seven seats then the Superb surely.

Spec for spec the Superb has more as std.

 

I had a 190 Edition Kodiaq for 24hrs and it was really nice (beware there are several reports of noisy door panels and poor build quality when they get a few months old) it however didn’t match my L&K Superb, so unless you need the extra 2 (small) seats the Kodiaq has it would be the Superb all day every day for me.

I Superb is close to 2 years old so assuming the Kodiaq and Superb are a similar list price then that is 35% depreciation over the 2 years  is probably only about what would be expected if not a little less than maybe expected. What model/spec and price for the Superb? How long do you intend on keeping the car?

All depends on the spec Chris, but I looked at both the Kodiaq and the Karoq when I went for my Superb.

 

The Karoq I checked was effectively more money for less car and didn’t make sense. The Kodiaq had a fab interior but came across to me as a taller, less composed, Superb when I drove it.

 

I don’t buy the lifestyle stuff, and while I know the Kodiaq is highly-rated it just seemed unnecessary to me. By contrast, the Superb was typical Skoda - does what it says and does it extremely well.

The higher the centre of gravity, the poorer the handling. End of. No-brainer in my book. We have a supposedly 'sporty' SUV - yes, an oxymoron - in the family and I find it anything but good to drive vs. the Superb.

PS: it's a Macan

Honestly find the whole SUV thing puzzling. Think we’re all going to wake up at some stage and wonder why putting cars on stilts and covering them in lifestyle plastic was ever a good idea.

8 minutes ago, MorrisOx said:

Honestly find the whole SUV thing puzzling. Think we’re all going to wake up at some stage and wonder why putting cars on stilts and covering them in lifestyle plastic was ever a good idea.

How very correct. I don’t get it either.!

@MorrisOx 4x4s = A triumph for marketing and groupthink.

30 minutes ago, Bud said:

@MorrisOx 4x4s = A triumph for marketing and groupthink.

 

Almost certainly. Prior to my current (outgoing) Octavia I had a V70 2.5T. Had a winter setting on the auto box which was all you needed in snow - softened the throttle response, changed the shift points, did the job.

 

At the risk of offending a few people on the this forum, I haven’t read a single test of the Superb which suggests 4x4 really adds much value.

 

(Dives, takes cover...)

1 hour ago, kevberlin said:

How very correct. I don’t get it either.!

Me too might as well get a transit or transporter

5 hours ago, MorrisOx said:

Honestly find the whole SUV thing puzzling. Think we’re all going to wake up at some stage and wonder why putting cars on stilts and covering them in lifestyle plastic was ever a good idea.

 

Yeah, I really struggle with this. Don't get me wrong, I've driven 4X4s all my life, but ones that are capable of traversing fields and deep mud when the need arises. What truly puzzles me is the arrival of things that look like a 4X4 but get stuck in a puddle, or worse still, don't even have four driven wheels! Madness.

 

Edited 18 February, 20188 yr by CheshireBumpkin

Hang on; nothing the least bit wrong with 4x4 cars! Quite the opposite, actually.

 

But yes, even the term ‘SUV’ is absurd:

 

'Sport' - you must be joking

'Utility' - at a push, in some rare circumstances perhaps

'Vehicle' - ok, guess we can give it that one

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, CheshireBumpkin said:

 

Yeah, I really struggle with this. Don't get me wrong, I've driven 4X4s all my life, but ones that are capable of traversing fields and deep mud when the need arises. What truly puzzles me is the arrival of things that look like a 4X4 but get stuck in a puddle, or worse still, don't even have four driven wheels! Madness.

 

But faux x faux (I just coined that!)  drivers are driving Gods when it snows 

I suspect the OP knew he could expect some rather biased answers on this part of the forum (I'm with the rest on this).

 

But on a more serious note - what was the thought process around the comparison? I could understand Superb v other exec car, Kodiaq v other 4x4 etc, but the Superb and the Kodiaq look like such different beasts it would never enter my head to put one against the other.

 

15 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

faux x faux 

 

Absolutely brilliant - I'm stealing that!

8 minutes ago, BriskodaJeff said:

 

Absolutely brilliant - I'm stealing that!

 

 

I actually Googled it and nothing came up.  I'm just on hold with the patents office 

 

How about flaw x flaw if we’re all sloganeering today?

1 hour ago, penguin17 said:

 

 

But faux x faux (I just coined that!)  drivers are driving Gods when it snows 

Yeah, until they have to stop when the faux x faux won't help them at all 

I always feel I'm in a real minority these days with my hatred of SUVs so glad I'm not alone  .  Higher centre of gravity, less stability on cornering etc and usually no less extra space over a 'proper car'!  Agree with above comments on comparing like-for-like.  I wouldn't put a Kodiaq up against a Superb as they are very different cars

 

very different cars, indeed

 

it's a purchasing debate i'm having

 

agree with all the SUV's handling downsides, as well as lugging around more metal than is necessary

 

upsides are more road presence and ride height (visibility)

 

no fun being stuck in crawling traffic behind an SUV and being unable to see ahead

Edited 19 February, 20188 yr by chrisluciofg

On 18/02/2018 at 13:39, MorrisOx said:

 

Almost certainly. Prior to my current (outgoing) Octavia I had a V70 2.5T. Had a winter setting on the auto box which was all you needed in snow - softened the throttle response, changed the shift points, did the job.

 

At the risk of offending a few people on the this forum, I haven’t read a single test of the Superb which suggests 4x4 really adds much value.

 

(Dives, takes cover...)

No offence taken - I just prefer the advantage that 4wd provides in transmitting 276bhp onto the road 

Thing is though, I wonder how much of an advantage it really provides unless it’s wet and/or you’re caning it. My Volvo was front-wheel drive, had 210ps and it never felt like traction was a struggle. Even in snow. It was no sports saloon, though.

 

Rather like the SUV craze, I kinda think four-wheel drive is more marketing than necessity. Then again, I haven’t tried an MQB platform with 280ps under the hood.

4 minutes ago, MorrisOx said:

Thing is though, I wonder how much of an advantage it really provides unless it’s wet and/or you’re caning it. My Volvo was front-wheel drive, had 210ps and it never felt like traction was a struggle. Even in snow. It was no sports saloon, though.

 

Rather like the SUV craze, I kinda think four-wheel drive is more marketing than necessity. Then again, I haven’t tried an MQB platform with 280ps under the hood.

A better comparison would be the Superb 220tsi which relying on front wheel drive does exhibit some torque steer under load (I owned one prior to the 280 Sportline) - at end of day it's just personal opinion and like you say ....  at this moment in time you have not  yet experienced the 280 !! 

12 minutes ago, MorrisOx said:

Thing is though, I wonder how much of an advantage it really provides unless it’s wet and/or you’re caning it. My Volvo was front-wheel drive, had 210ps and it never felt like traction was a struggle. Even in snow. It was no sports saloon, though.

 

Rather like the SUV craze, I kinda think four-wheel drive is more marketing than necessity. Then again, I haven’t tried an MQB platform with 280ps under the hood.

My Leon ST FR was remapped to 232bhp and 500 Nm going through the front wheels. In the damp you pretty much had to baby it off the line or risk some serious tramping as the traction control was trying to reign things in.  In the wet it would spin in 1st, 2nd and 3rd.  

 

Look at the difference in 0-60 times of a FWD Leon Cupra with 300ps vs the same car with 4WD; even with some clever electrics the front wheels just struggle to cope.  I’m not an ambassador for a traffic light GP just using this as an example of a benefit of 4WD