Sorry, i know this question may have been asked before, but does anyone have any idea what skoda are planning with the petrol vrs?

 

As you may be aware, they have closed the order books for all petrol vrs's with no indication of why (as far as i know).

 

I am looking to buy a new petrol vrs and I have a certain spec in mind. I have contacted dealers and there are a couple of cars available (new unregistered) that are close to the spec that i want, but missing a few things.

 

I am close to ordering one of these, but part of me thinks i would be sensible to hold off for now and wait until the order books open again (anyone any idea when this might be??)

 

Do you think Skoda might be planning on introducing the 245 engine as standard into the VRS??

I’ve heard that the new VRS will be 310 bhp and have 550 NM of tourqe with AWD. 

Also they are getting rid of the hideous Xtreme alloys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

only joking

Nobody knows. Is the long and short of it. 

I was told the standard will be 248 and there will be a 270+ on the way. Order books are likely to open again over the summer. Possibly when they make the change to MY19?

 

 

Thanks for that. Very helpful

If you look at a recent post in the Superb section all petrol models are having a GPF fitted and a drop in power due to it. I would not be surprised if the same is not going to happen to the Octavia. The book is probably closed due to them having enough orders to take them to the time the change will occur. Hence they will most likely reopen the order book once they have announced the changes. Looking at the Superb thread on this I think it is about an 8% drop in power if I remember correctly so will be under 220 instead of 230.

Not looking good if they fit them. Power is miles down. 

 

On the superb a there are two petrol outputs. 268 and 197 TSI

 

Unless they use the 268 in the VRS

Edited 17 February, 20188 yr by Tim1631

I would say the that is wishful thinking and going to most likely be the lower power output. The higher one would put it too close to things like the Golf R.

IMO they can’t really take a step backwards can they. 220,230,245 then go back to under 200. 

 

Although we know VAG can put various states of tunes in their engines 

They are stepping back on the Superb model with the 280 dropping power so do not see why they would not do the same with the Octavia.

It would seem madness to bring out the 245 only for it to become the 235 or something in less than a year. Have these changes come out of the blue? 

1 hour ago, juan27 said:

Have these changes come out of the blue? 

VAG went public last year that they would be fitting GPFs to all petrol versions.

& from September 2018 they will be having real world testing of the Co2 g/km.

As it is VW had to pay the UK Government for testing to check the current Euro 6 emission VW Group VW's coming into the UK.

So it is highly unlikely that any VW Group engine vehicles will be imported to the UK that might fail re-testing of Real world testing, 

and the implausible / irregular results that might have been shown in the past year.

 

No more Das Auto, just honesty and allowing still of Grey Area testing, as long as it can be reproduced by independent testers.

1 hour ago, SWBoy said:

VAG went public last year that they would be fitting GPFs to all petrol versions.

 

It seems like a very rushed job if they can't tweak the maps to retain power output. The Superb 280 is surely the Golf R engine detuned so shouldn't be difficult at all to retain the current power level?

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

& from September 2018 they will be having real world testing of the Co2 g/km.

As it is VW had to pay the UK Government for testing to check the current Euro 6 emission VW Group VW's coming into the UK.

So it is highly unlikely that any VW Group engine vehicles will be imported to the UK that might fail re-testing of Real world testing, 

and the implausible / irregular results that might have been shown in the past year.

 

No more Das Auto, just honesty and allowing still of Grey Area testing, as long as it can be reproduced by independent testers.

 

Not sure I follow your logic. If there's full expectation that real world testing will produce different results why would that stop anything from being sold?

The Face Lift Skoda Fabia is announced, 1.0 TSI 90 & 110ps with Gasoline Particulate filter.

Delivered next year.  that is 90ps & 110ps like they have now with the Gasoline Particulate Filter, and they are going to be Real World Tested, 

 

as will others being on sale after September.

 

now they are not and the Diesels after April First Registration ones will go up a VED band in the UK, 

and those that can not meet Testing and are showing how far out the current Co2 g/km are will not be imported into the UK.

Maybe why tara 230 & 245 as they are now.   Dodgy results currently as re-tested under the current scrutiny.

 

UK order books closed on Golf GTE. 

High demand is the VW spin, VW does not want huge waiting lists, or can they just not retail in the UK after September with the Real World test results from the ICE engine?

Edited 17 February, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

11 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

The Face Lift Skoda Fabia is announced, 1.0 TSI 90 & 110ps with Gasoline Particulate filter.

Delivered next year.  that is 90ps & 110ps like they have now with the Gasoline Particulate Filter, and they are going to be Real World Tested, 

 

as will others being on sale after September.

 

now they are not and the Diesels after April First Registration ones will go up a VED band in the UK, 

and those that can not meet Testing and are showing how far out the current Co2 g/km are will not be imported into the UK.

Maybe why tara 230 & 245 as they are now.   Dodgy results currently as re-tested under the current scrutiny.

 

UK order books closed on Golf GTE. 

High demand is the VW spin, VW does not want huge waiting lists, or can they just not retail in the UK after September with the Real World test results from the ICE engine?

 

Surely the only difference the real world testing could bring is an increase in VED?. And even that would be politically unpopular as the total tax collected would probably increase. As VED on a 245 is only a historically low £140 currently I can't see that being a major factor.

Do not call me Shirley!

& maybe Skoda is Simply Clever and know how many cars are rented, so those leasing might be affected by any change to VED.

But time will tell if it is more than just that.

 

They need vehicles that have the PS figures, the Co2 g/km figures and that have not had Implausible / irregular results as on the market presently.

That might mean many more 'closed order books'.  VW Group put up the 1.1 millions squids that they had to because they cheated, 

they just rubbered the next 1.1 million.

But their vehicles are being tested now as they are imported to the UK, or a sample was.

Edited 17 February, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

One thing is for sure they will not radically change the VED rating of currently registered cars. Otherwise all the £0/£20 rated tiddlers would be going up to £140 as new cars did last year.

No surely they will not.   & cars currently on sale in stock and yet to be first registered.

But then 'order books are closing', and the word is not out on what is coming in the near future to fill those 

class of vehicles.  ie Warm / Hot hatch Octavia.

 

As the Chancellor said, we are going to clamp down on new vehicles that do not meet the latest standards.

Then he did nothing to do that in Dec, Jan, Feb, March but will with currently on sale diesels from April.

 

We will not hit White Van man or Woman, 

so just those Business / Commercial and private diesel users in 'passenger cars' First Year VED from April on.

The high polluters get to keep polluting as they go through easy MOTS.

 

The stuff from September 2018 on and the next UK Budget in 2018, or the one after Brexit in 2019 is anyones guess.

Edited 17 February, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

Order books closed is not the same as production ending.

 

My money is on VRS230/245 orders opening for MY19 in a few weeks. 

 

There is very little real basis for expecting major change. 

 

15 hours ago, juan27 said:

Surely the only difference the real world testing could bring is an increase in VED?. And even that would be politically unpopular as the total tax collected would probably increase. As VED on a 245 is only a historically low £140 currently I can't see that being a major factor.

With the new road tax bands after the first few years the cost is £140 regardless of emissions, so the cost effect of higher emissions will not be as great as it used to be under the old emission bands for life system.

Edited 18 February, 20188 yr by SWBoy

I find it hard to believe that they would simply cease making a petrol variant of the vRS; unless of course, their global sales sheet of the model doesn't correlate with my understanding of how popular the model is.  I also would hope they learned some lessons after ceasing production of the vRS diesel Fabia.  One of the most underrated cars in modern times IMO. 

 

There's already a long waiting list across VAG for the EA888 engines with lead times of 20+ weeks for Leon Cupra alone, this pushes past build week 26 which is apparently when GPF's will need to be fitted for the new EU emissions compliance.  No doubt there will be a factory shut down for re-tooling and training so perhaps Skoda thought it best to just close the order book until VAG get their house in order. 

 

With regard to a ~300PS, 4x4 variant of the Octavia,  I think it's purposefully never going to happen, well not until VW boost the Golf R up to 340+ .  Look at SEAT; VW likely have no issues with a 300PS Cupra as the build quality and silly list price makes it seem stupid to buy one over a Golf R.  Apart from the performance figures, there's no comparison between a GTI and a Cupra, never mind the Golf R.  It may attract new owners to the VAG brand on the used market but I doubt a hardened Golf fan would make the swap.  However the Octavia is a quality item, much better than the Leon and you can easily forgive some of it's short falls over the Golf as the trade-off is a lower price to start with. It's also significantly more practical.  That's too close to comfort for VW who know that consumers are starting to place value further up in their new car criteria. 

 

SEAT were able to transfer the 4x4 drivetrain from the Xcellence into the Cupra ST MQB platform.  Skoda could have easily done the same with the Scout and a petrol vRS, they of course did with the TDI vRS but I think that would have been too close to comfort for VW.

 

There's plenty of talk of VAG ditching one of the lower end brands to claw back some money from dieselgate and I can't help but think someone like Hyundai Motor Group would be an ideal buyer for Skoda.  

Edited 19 February, 20188 yr by penguin17

21 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

 

 

There's plenty of talk of VAG ditching one of the lower end brands to claw back some money from dieselgate and I can't help but think someone like Hyundai Motor Group would be an ideal buyer for Skoda.  

 

From what I've read Skoda makes a lot of profit for VAG and VAG have major investment in Czech engine plants. A big success for VAG.

Seat meanwhile have never really returned anything for the investment that VAG have made.

 

So if one were to go I think VAG would off load Seat.

 

Lee

On 2/19/2018 at 10:22, logiclee said:

 

From what I've read Skoda makes a lot of profit for VAG and VAG have major investment in Czech engine plants. A big success for VAG.

Seat meanwhile have never really returned anything for the investment that VAG have made.

 

So if one were to go I think VAG would off load Seat.

 

Lee

 

Makes a lot of sense to me, VW Unions are trying to get some Skoda production moved to Germany to take up excess capacity that will otherwise lead to job losses.

 

I think there is a lot of internal VAG politics going on.  People are saying engines are going to the Golf GTi because VW margins are stronger, but I'm not sure that's true. Consider all those GTis sold in the USA for about $25000. that's only about £18000.