gonna get an induction kit for my vrs today. looking at the pipercross or the k+n. anyone got one of these fitted? anyone know which is best?

cheers

daz:thumbup:

I went for a green panel filter. I think the induction kit is too noisy, and may break your maf sensor ?

Pretty tight for space under the bonnet of a vRS, would be difficult to get a good cool airflow. The PD160 intake and Panel filter works very well, and not to mention is cheaper than an induction kit (And mounts up to the standard intake mouth, sitting in a flow of cool air).

Fluff'

I've got the PD160 intake, and a pipercross panel filter, works well for me

I've got the PD160 intake, and a pipercross panel filter, works well for me

do you have the part number for the pipercross filter or is it the same as a seat/vw/audi one

Pretty tight for space under the bonnet of a vRS' date=' would be difficult to get a good cool airflow. The PD160 intake and Panel filter works very well, and not to mention is cheaper than an induction kit (And mounts up to the standard intake mouth, sitting in a flow of cool air).

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I keep hearing this when people ask about induction kits.

Surely the filter box/cone thing in an induction kit is no bigger than the standard airbox? surely?!

And the viper for certain, and many others, have a cold air feed hose than could go to the exact spot the PD160 intake goes to anyway.

So whats the loss? Surely an induction kit would be better than a standard filter? (or why would they sell?) and if it fits in the same place with the same air feed, it must be of some benefit?

Am I just confused?

Saying that the an aftermarket must offer a benefit 'or why would they sell it' is the same thing as, why would Skoda produce one in the first place. The airfilter is setup standard for a reason. I think the route of a panel filter is good start. Keeping things close to standard as possible but offering a percentage of extra breathing.

Saying that the an aftermarket must offer a benefit 'or why would they sell it' is the same thing as, why would Skoda produce one in the first place.

So why upgrade to a Green panel filter? The Skoda paper one is there? Why get the PD160 intake? the standard Skoda one is there?

Aftermarket parts are designed to offer an improvement over standard parts. So I'd say a Pipercross Viper induction kit would be better than a standard airbox/filter combo. Maybe not so much better it's worth the extra cash. But I have no doubt it must offer some benefits, or Pipercross wouldn't exist as no one would buy their products.

I was just wondering why people always seem so against an induction kit with a cold air feed - surely it's just replacing the airbox and intake with what is essentially and uprated part, that still works in the same way (drawing in cold air from the front through a performace filter)

CAI's (Cold air intakes) are all good and well IF you can get cooler air in.

Some of the cheaper air intake kits draw air from within the engine bay as the stock system would, these kits may not offer much gain in performance, if any. With these I would personally stick with the PD160 or a stock Fabia intake and a drop-in filter.

The engine bay gets hot, so you need to take air from the bottom of the engine bay area, or behind the front grill, from the wheelarches etc etc

Now you have an intake which if you are lucky is taking air in at ambient temperature. It'll get heated a little on its way through the pipe and into the throttle body but it should still be cooler.

Lets for a minute assume our intake is behind where one of the foglights is, pointing downwards...

You go through 3" of water, suck some in through the intake and before you can say Robert's your mother's brother, you've got water in your combustion chamber. A little will do no harm. A lot will result in hydrolock!

IMO, this is the problem with CAI's - you risk allsorts of crap being thrown up by other traffic and getting sucked in - granted 99% of particles will not go through the filter, water will.

On my S2000 I have a drop in filter. We dont get much rain here but when it does rain it pours and we get flashfloods. Don't want to take the risk of ruining my car for a couple of HP.

Texasjohn,

The CIA like pipercross run the cold air feed in the same way that the standard airbox does, so it should not pull in anymore water than having the standard jobbie.

I ran my paxo vts with an induction kit added with cold feed, have to say it didn't really give much power over the standard air filter, only made it sound nice.

Daz, if I was you I've pick one that will shield it from the engines heat, both K&N and piper cross make an induction kit that will cover that. Green cotton do an alike kit, but they do not list the Fabia vrs. (they may list the ibiza though?)

If you have the money to spend give it a go and then write a review!

We had a rolling road dayout, a few car's with bluefin etc, we wanted to get to the bottom of a long aticipated argument. We found that a Piper X plus a cold air feed, increased 0bhp, and -2Ibs of torque. That's not me going along with what everyone else says, thats my real experience.

Why re-place the standard filter paper? Because, Skoda kept it like that, so that when the come to service it, it's cheap.

I havent tried the Viper filter, but i would imagine there's no real difference between that, and the piper X. So, you have to ask yourself. Is it really worth spending £230 for no power gain and a loss in torque?

Snoopie

Piper X plus cold feed against what? Standard air box? panel filter? :confused:

So why upgrade to a Green panel filter? The Skoda paper one is there? Why get the PD160 intake? the standard Skoda one is there?

Aftermarket parts are designed to offer an improvement over standard parts. So I'd say a Pipercross Viper induction kit would be better than a standard airbox/filter combo. Maybe not so much better it's worth the extra cash. But I have no doubt it must offer some benefits' date=' or Pipercross wouldn't exist as no one would buy their products.

I was just wondering why people always seem so against an induction kit with a cold air feed - surely it's just replacing the airbox and intake with what is essentially and uprated part, that still works in the same way (drawing in cold air from the front through a performace filter)[/quote']

From my 16 years experience of driving, tweaking and modding cars theres a lot of aftermarket twaddle out there that does not improve power or offer benefit over standard. Having seem many in-bay induction kits fitted to result in power loss I'd steer clear regardless of the power claims made my the manufacturer - well they would calim a power increase wouldn't they, how else will they sell them!

CAIs work pretty well and offer about 50%-60% the increase that the manufacturers quote, whether they're worth the

Mike at Jabba stated that because of the PD160 intake and the Green Filter my car was able to produce 10 bhp more and a similar ammount of torque extra when the car had it's custom remap.

On a stock vRS the PD160 intake and the filter make little difference, but the cumulative effect when remapped meant it was able to hold 1.5 bar, as opposed to 1.4 without the intake/filter.

Induction kits do work on certain cars that have restrictive intake's/airboxes. They also make a nice sound (the only reason I would get one). But on a Fabia (vRS) the benefit is minimal, as the intake/airbox is already positioned in a good spot and the larger PD160 intake is large enough.

And just a side note, don't get the K&N Induction kit on the vRS, it has no shielding whatsoever, it is right next the engine, and the intake which comes with it that replaces the skoda one is VERY small (I'm sure you could replace it with a larger one & get some shielding).

The one I saw looked nice but that's it.

I had a Viper on my 2.0 Astra, it lost 3 bhp on the rollers after fitting it.

This is on a petrol but much the same

Just look at the run the pipe needs to take to get to the air intake, more twists than the 'ring.

Ross just out of curiosity wasn't that Astra heavily modified by yourself and then the next owner?

IIRC isn't it now running a Z20LET turbo?

Snoopie

Piper X plus cold feed against what? Standard air box? panel filter? :confused:

In my experience yes.. Also, remember each car has a different located air intake. This test was done on a Fiesta Zetec-s. Get a KnN Panel Filter, linked to a cold air feed IMO are the best gains. Plus, its less expensive!

Of course, it's up to you. On the other hand, the sound is worth a 2bhp/2Ibs of torque loss... But i'm a stealth person, i keep my car looking standard and sounding standard, with some sensible modifcations under the bonnet.

Ross just out of curiosity wasn't that Astra heavily modified by yourself and then the next owner?

IIRC isn't it now running a Z20LET turbo?

I sold it to Byron, h then fitted a C20LET into it and then sold it.

Texasjohn' date='

The CIA like pipercross run the cold air feed in the same way that the standard airbox does, so it should not pull in anymore water than having the standard jobbie.

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Ahh sorry, wasnt aware of that (havent actually got our vRS yet)

I ran my paxo vts with an induction kit added with cold feed' date=' have to say it didn't really give much power over the standard air filter, only made it sound nice.

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Correct, as sixdegrees said it is more about throttle response.

I have a drop-in JR filter on the S2000 and it made bugger all difference other than slightly better pickup/response.

Didn't even make any noticable difference to induction roar.

I had a Saab 93 Aero before this, again I fitted a drop-in JR filter. That made a huge difference to the sound in the cabin... I could hear the turbo spooling up which you struggle to hear with the stock filter unless going through a tunnel with the windows down. The Saab was remapped by BSR to 250hp/260lbft as well. Quite fun although a bit much for front wheel drive!

I had a Viper on my 2.0 Astra' date=' it lost 3 bhp on the rollers after fitting it.

This is on a petrol but much the same

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Just look at the run the pipe needs to take to get to the air intake, more twists than the 'ring.

from what i know this is very common with the VIPER.....:(

i kno this thread is pretty old but has anyone tryed the bmc cda? i think its really gd as the carbon fibre shields the heat from the engine bay so no hot ait can get into the filter . I currently have one fitted to my lupo sport 1.4 and after a drive the carbon fibre shield is still as cold as it was before the car was started so it must be cold air thats passing through it.

Just look at the run the pipe needs to take to get to the air intake, more twists than the 'ring.

from what i know this is very common with the VIPER.....:(

It's not hard to see why though - there's not enough space to route the air feed round. It'd be the same story with every sealed induction kit, not just the Viper. Even with the couple of extra bends there are still gains to be had on the Fabia.

got the k&n.cold air feed is the same as oem. full instructions with kit. nice responce on the pedal without to much noise.

K&N 57-0581i. all is straight & free flowing.

i kno this thread is pretty old but has anyone tryed the bmc cda? i think its really gd as the carbon fibre shields the heat from the engine bay so no hot ait can get into the filter . I currently have one fitted to my lupo sport 1.4 and after a drive the carbon fibre shield is still as cold as it was before the car was started so it must be cold air thats passing through it.

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