Hello everyone!

 

I'm writing you from Italy, i found out this forum that seems a great place full of usefull information so i tought i should join and ask directly!

 

 

 

My GF has a MY20 Kamiq, one of the first delivered in the country, and has an ancient 0156 software that never got updated. The dealer where we got the car is too far away and the local Skoda service is pretty bad and dont really understand what i'm asking.

 

I wanted to update to the latest software for a lot of problems we have (mainly rearview camera during parkink, bt issues with phones, and so on) and so i found out that the one installed in the car is really old and a lot of updates were pushed.. using https://mib-helper.com/ it sais 0324 is the latest one, and on https://mibsolution.one/ i found some files to download only to realize those are all incremental updates and there is an order to apply..

 

Reading on the forum others were in the same situation that managed to update to newer ones, like @Lennart wrote here 

 and i found the site russian site https://www.drive2.ru to get some but i only managed to find the most newer one and not the olders.

 

ATM i have:

MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P27600P_0276

MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P30600P_0306

MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P30800P_0308

MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P32400P_0324

 

Lookin at what @Lennart wrote based on the manifest extraction in the software the order should be 0156 -> 0238 -> 0268 -> 0278 -> 0306 -> 0308 -> 0324, but i cannot find anywhere 0238 and 0268, does anyone have those files? I'm gonna tag @varooom also since he was mentioned as helpfull.

 

I would then like to share the experience if all goes smootly, i hope so!

Thank for reading so far!

 

 

did you manage to track down the older versions? thanks

On 11/02/2024 at 17:56, danakajoel said:

did you manage to track down the older versions? thanks

 

Yes with the help of @Lennart i found everything to bring the sw to the 0324 release, here is a mega link where you can get the archives of the old cumulative versions until 0308, you can download 0324 from mibsolution.. i'm gonna write something down on how it's going the update for me when i have time to do it, for now i only updated OCU software to the latest release and did a SWM (xorifying the value) with obdeleven.

oh forgot the link, ehehe.. here https://mega.nz/folder/bupmCaqA#dGb8Y30eDZ3rx95kts3E_A

Wow, that's perfect, thank you. Could you clarify what you mean re the swm point? Thanks

45 minutes ago, danakajoel said:

Wow, that's perfect, thank you. Could you clarify what you mean re the swm point? Thanks

 

after you do an update you will encounter in the error B201A, regarding a Software Version Menagement check.

 

to fix it you have to go in Adaptation and enter a new value based on the one that you currently have using this tool https://mib-helper.com/im-so-xory/, nothing difficult.

You are a superstar. Do I need any special tools to apply that fix or can I do via an App on my Phone? Does the system not work at all whilst the error is present or is it just an annoyance? 

3 hours ago, danakajoel said:

You are a superstar. Do I need any special tools to apply that fix or can I do via an App on my Phone? Does the system not work at all whilst the error is present or is it just an annoyance? 

 

You will need something that talks via obd port, such obdeleven or vcds or others.

 

Should not influence anything for what i know, just a fault code.

So a little update: EVERYTHING WORKS.

 

Let's start a "Journey Diary - Guide" so that everyone that wants to do it can follow the steps and update. First of all, the previously mega link posted above (here) contains all the files needed. I did everything myself with the help of @Lennart, not diffucult at all, but the responsability is yours alone.

 

Updating from the ancient 0156 is not that difficult, it's just like any other update for the MIB3, but it breaks Navigation System. This is intentional and it's because Skoda changed the license and offers Navigation as a SWaP now. You can check in the Service Menu (long press menu button) that no 00071C00 FEC is installed and in the supported FECs it doesn't even show up as available to install.

 

According to the 2 TPI in the mega folder (one older in English, one recent 2024 in Italian) Navigation is now a SWaP, and since it already was included in the car package when bought you can reactivate it using the codes that Skoda provides to re-enable it.

 

Tool necessary to do the update is any OBDEleven or VCDS or any other tool that can do SVM (Software Version Management), but to re-enable Navigation ODIS-S is needed. ODIS-S is a dealer level software, so you have to rely on a dealer to apply the SWaP or to someone that has ODIS with a valid Geko Online account and the necessary hardware to connect to the car. Just go to the dealer after all the updates, you can bring the activation code or ask them to provide it, is in their ODIS Service Net and can be also obtained from Erwin Portal online.

 

In the first TPI it's stated that the OCU (Online Connectivity Unit) has to be flashed first. Before doing that use any of the tool to go to the 0075 module (the OCU indeed) and in adaptation you need to change the Crash Signal to "via CAN". Once applied format an usb stick to fat32 or exfat and unpack the version 143 of the OCU update named 5WA035284OCU143.zip in that stick. Insert the usb stick in one of the usb-c port and long press the Menu button for 3-5 sec, reboot in Engineering mode to start the update following the TPI instruction.

Once applied it will reboot and the infotainment will be working as usual. Using OBDEleven or VCDS or ODIS-S you will see that you have a fault error B201A, it's normal when doing an update via usb without dealership computer, it can be easily fixed by updating SVM using a xor tool that can be found here. It's nothing critical, you just have to tell the MIB3 that the software is new.

 

Now you can proceed to do the actual MIB3 Update: format the usb stick unpack the first sequential package MOI3_EU_SKMQB_R23802P + P26810P + P27800P.7z in the root folder, go in the Service Menu and then press Update. The software will auto check the usb drive and since everythin is signed by Skoda it only applies if the file is the correct. It is almost an 1h job and it will reboot multiple times (5-6 at least), since it's not incremental everytime it has to delete the previous and reflash.

 

After this you will land on SW version 278, MIB3 will work fine except that Navigation wont start. If you go in the Service Menu you will see that the Predictive Navigation FEC 00071C00 is not installed but it will be present in the available tab that was not present before. You can do a SVM fix again.

 

Re-do everything, format the usb stick and unpack MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P30600P_0306.zip, apply again in the Service Menu and wait for it, will probably need 20-25 min. On reboot, do the same with version MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P30800P_0308.zip than you can find here a then again with MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P33000P_0330.zip that will bring you to the latest 0330 version that was released i think Jannuary 2024. Remember that after each upgrade you have to confirm the installation change.

 

Once done you can finally check if everything is working except of the Navigation System.

 

To fix this you have to enable FEC 00071C00, and as said it can be only done by adding your specific activation license code and unlock pin (that work only in your car and vin) and only using ODIS-S Online, so if you go to a dealership to activate it he surely can and already has your data to do so, else just bring the code with you and let them restore it. It can be found in the excel sheet in the mega folder, just search for your vin and you will find it.

 

If you have the necessary tool to use ODIS-S yourself (like i did), connect to your car and perform a FFS (Function Activation), proceed with option 1, enter the 3 values when asked and apply them, it will ask you to login online using Geko (DSS Login) and let ODIS-S check with the servers if the codes entered are valid, after a 20sec wait or so it will be verified and unlocked. Now Navigation will start again! You can check in the Activated FEC and you will see that 00071C00 is enabled and valid.

 

This is not a hack, it's not some sort of dark magic, is just exactly what the dealer does when they perform an update. Since they often wont do it (if aint broke dont fix it) or refuse because "risky" now you know that you can do it by yourself, files are publicly available if one know where to look and how to find them. And since the latest update is not cumulative you cannot apply the latest to a very old version they would charge you a lot of hours to do it.. well actually it is cumulative but it wont apply because security check will not pass so be patience and follow the TPI.

 

Enjoy.

 

R.

PS: btw, proof that i'm on 330 now  i also connected the car to my wifi in the garage and perfomed an online update for the maps, i'm now on 23.6 database and not on 20.11 like the photo sais).

 

Nice explanation Rob! Again, good job!

Thank you r0bb10 !

 

Great explanations ! What I'm trying to find out is what update actually breaks the navigation. I'm on 0270 and would like to update to the latest but I don't want to have to explain to my dealership that I fiddled with the software of my entertainment unit.

 

@Lennart thought the issue was going from 0156 to 0276 but since I'm on 0270 I'm not sure I want to take the risk. Do you have any more information regarding this ?

 

Thank you.

2 minutes ago, chli said:

Thank you r0bb10 !

 

Great explanations ! What I'm trying to find out is what update actually breaks the navigation. I'm on 0270 and would like to update to the latest but I don't want to have to explain to my dealership that I fiddled with the software of my entertainment unit.

 

@Lennart thought the issue was going from 0156 to 0276 but since I'm on 0270 I'm not sure I want to take the risk. Do you have any more information regarding this ?

 

Thank you.

 

0238 breaks Navi, anything else that is not 0156 should have 00071C00 already enabled and valid.

 

You can check by long pressing menu and go in the Installed FEC, scroll down and i'm confident that you will spot it there at the end.

Here in the picture i was still on 0156 and i had no 00071C00 showing up, the older TPI sais that any car that is produce after jannuary 2020 should not have the upgrade problem because it's already sold with a newer version like probably yours is with 0270.

 

 

Just go and check: if it's there updates are really simple like copy on usb and apply, nothing else needed (except for updating OCU to 141 or 143 ofc). Protip, you can start directly with 0306 skipping 0276 and 0278, then go with 0308 and 0330.  

Excellent,

I also checked the TPI you linked and it says

"The SWAP function For predictive navigation (FEC: 00071C00) has to be activated in Scala/Kamiq vehicles manufactured until 8 January 2020 (FEC: 00071C00)." My car is MY21 and was manufactured after that date.

I need to read more about the OCU update. How do I check the current version I'm on ? I didn't see anything thing about the OCU when downloading the TPI for my VIN in ErWin.

My TPI said, as you correctly mentioned said that I can go directly to 0308 and then 0324 (apparently 0330 was released in the mean time). There was nothing mentioned about the OCU.

I don't like updating the OCU since your TPI says:

"If the following procedure is not observed, the automatic call to the emergency line 112 may follow." (redirectly the crash signal to CAN instead of Emergency Call).

I don't want the police to turn up cause I'm updating my car

3 minutes ago, chli said:

Excellent,

I also checked the TPI you linked and it says

"The SWAP function For predictive navigation (FEC: 00071C00) has to be activated in Scala/Kamiq vehicles manufactured until 8 January 2020 (FEC: 00071C00)." My car is MY21 and was manufactured after that date.

I need to read more about the OCU update. How do I check the current version I'm on ? I didn't see anything thing about the OCU when downloading the TPI for my VIN in ErWin.

My TPI said, as you correctly mentioned said that I can go directly to 0308 and then 0324 (apparently 0330 was released in the mean time). There was nothing mentioned about the OCU.

I don't like updating the OCU since your TPI says:

"If the following procedure is not observed, the automatic call to the emergency line 112 may follow." (redirectly the crash signal to CAN instead of Emergency Call).

I don't want the police to turn up cause I'm updating my car

 

Exactly that is why i'm confident that you already have the FEC installed so nothing to worry about breaking anything. My car was produced december 19 so i fall in the TPI case -_-" nothing serious for me since i had a VAS adapter to use ODIS-S.

 

I checked the OCU version using OBDEleven i was on version i think 88 or something similar but my VIN had a recall from Skoda years ago because of some serious bug so surely is not the original version paired with the 0156 (that was not updated in the recall, thanks Skoda).

 

With OBDEleven for example you can change the Crash Adaptation to match the "via CAN" required but it's required so only in the older TPI that does not mention from what version you coming from. The newer TPI just ask to check what version there is and if older proceed with an older procedure (called 91YB where the redirect of the crash signal is required, speculating) and does not mention this redirect. You probably have a bugless OCU version already and the 112 fix also, it's basically confirmed by your TPI without mention of the OCU at all.

 

My guess is that older versions in earlier produced cars had an "auto112call" happen not only during a real crash but also during an OCU disconnect (during updates? or battery powerloss?) or something similar, and they fixed this with newer releases. But who knows, vag is never really clear and trasparent on why they do this and that.

Thanks again, do I need an ODB to know which version of the OCU I'm on or is it written down somewhere in the MIB3 engineering menu ?

7 minutes ago, chli said:

Thanks again, do I need an ODB to know which version of the OCU I'm on or is it written down somewhere in the MIB3 engineering menu ?

 

Uhm maybe from the Engineering Menu but i'm not sure, i guess not.

I think indeed you need a odb device, besides that, you can’t downgrade so there won’t be a problem when you have a newer version.

 

and indeed, like rob said. Don’t worry about your nav when you are on 270 already. 
 

edit: after ocu replacement I got back the 088 version. That version worked also on 0304, perhaps not ideal but worked.

 

when owning a vag car, a odb device is almost a must to clear some errors 😉 worth the money

Hopefully these are my last questions :

 

@r0bb10 : Do I just leave the engine running during the update (should I worry about the star/stop ?) because the TPI instructs to use a battery charger, which I don't have and don't plan on purchasing.
 

Regarding ODB, I see the most user friendly option seems to be ODBEleven, will I need any of the paid plans or credits to confirm the successful install or just owning the device is enough, or would you recommend another device ?

 

Thanks !

 

2 hours ago, chli said:

Hopefully these are my last questions :

 

@r0bb10 : Do I just leave the engine running during the update (should I worry about the star/stop ?) because the TPI instructs to use a battery charger, which I don't have and don't plan on purchasing.
 

Regarding ODB, I see the most user friendly option seems to be ODBEleven, will I need any of the paid plans or credits to confirm the successful install or just owning the device is enough, or would you recommend another device ?

 

Thanks !

 

 

I do not have any battery charger and did the update with the ignition on but motor and lights off.. i did not update firmwares all at the same time tho, the first big updates took a long time and then i drove the car a bit to charge it. The other updates are relatively quick so it's "safe" to do them without any charging attached, the MIB3 itself it's just a Linux tablet, it wont drain a car battery so quickly.

 

OBDEleven is more user friendly probably, but yes it requires credits to do some "click and forget" adaptation.. you can use it to do long coding and manual adaptation also without spending money. VCDS is more powerfull and has a great community/official support from forum but is a lot more expensive and requires a pc cannot be used with a phone.

Hello,

 

Thank you for your guide.

I have a kamiq from end 2020, with 0156 version but with 00071C00 code already present.

 

So if i understood well, I will no have any breaking if I do the update.

 

About OCU, how can I check version with VCDS ?

 

Thanks

44 minutes ago, J0uj0u said:

Hello,

 

Thank you for your guide.

I have a kamiq from end 2020, with 0156 version but with 00071C00 code already present.

 

So if i understood well, I will no have any breaking if I do the update.

 

About OCU, how can I check version with VCDS ?

 

Thanks

 

wierd that you have it installed but with an old version of the MIB3 software, but better so.

 

in VCDS you can do a full scan and in address 75 "Telematics" look for the line "Component", you should find there the version of the OCU firmware installed.

Yes strange to have an old version, because it was built in june 2020 so normal to have the FEC installed (based on previous comment).

Ok thanks for the path and the files I will try the update process tomorrow.

 

Did you have wireless carplay ? Or the update activate it ? Or any way to activate it with VCDS ?

Hello everyone,
I own a Karoq without navigation, 
I seem to have the same version as the Kamiq.
According to what I read here I can update the infotaiment software. 
Now I have the MOI3_EU_SKMQB_P30200P version.

can I try to update to 308 directly or do I need the intermediate updates?
After 308 I jump to 330 also directly?
After upgrading with the files on a usb, I need to clear some kind of error, I don't have any diagnostic tool?

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

 

Thank you for your answers

You need update to 306 or 308 first.

Then to 324 or 330.

An error 1550 no relevant appears.

You can try Car scanner with a cheap OBD elm 327. With this you can do 3 codings in trial mode before paid mode.

 

On 18/02/2024 at 22:24, J0uj0u said:

Yes strange to have an old version, because it was built in june 2020 so normal to have the FEC installed (based on previous comment).

Ok thanks for the path and the files I will try the update process tomorrow.

 

Did you have wireless carplay ? Or the update activate it ? Or any way to activate it with VCDS ?

 

I had wireless carplay already enabled on 0156 and working, android auto wireless has been activated since 0306 version.. you can enable both doing adaptations in the 5F unit and obdeleven (or any other obd that can do vag adaptation) fairly easy.