This has probably been covered before so apologies if so. 

 

But. I’m looking at potentially buying a mk2.5 vrs I haven’t decided on petrol/diesel or manual/dsg. Ideally I’d like an estate but would consider a hatch. 

 

I had a mk2 diesel manual  couple of years ago and it was a really good car apart from massive DPF issues which resulted in me having it removed. From what I understand this would now be an MOT fail so I don’t want to go down this route again. 

 

A few questions; 

1. Do the mk2.5s have the same dpf issues as the mk2’s? From what I remember the engine changed from a PD to a CR? 

2. What’s the fuel consumption on a petrol? 

3. Are there any issues with the DSG gearbox I should be wary of? 

4. Does the DSG have a manual paddle type option for changing gear should I want to be (slightly) more involved? 

 

If I don’t go for the Skoda then I’m thinking of an 3 series msport diesel. 

 

Thanks. 

 

 

1) removed DPF doesn't always mean MOT fail. If the car is in a good condition (good injectors etc.) then the smoke level might be good enough to pass the test. If something is wrong then in the beginning DPF might help but it might die rather soon.

 

2) DPF issues - depends on your habits. If the daily trip is 3 km (or 2 miles) then CR engine won't help you much. Especially in wintertime. People say that CR engines are way more friendlier with DPFs than PD engines, though.

2 hours ago, Jevpls said:

1) removed DPF doesn't always mean MOT fail

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/apr/14/mot-test-changes-diesel-car-emissions

 

Thanks AG Falco.

2 hours ago, Jevpls said:

1) removed DPF doesn't always mean MOT fail. If the car is in a good condition (good injectors etc.) then the smoke level might be good enough to pass the test. If something is wrong then in the beginning DPF might help but it might die rather soon.

 

2) DPF issues - depends on your habits. If the daily trip is 3 km (or 2 miles) then CR engine won't help you much. Especially in wintertime. People say that CR engines are way more friendlier with DPFs than PD engines, though.

Wrong info, A removed DPF will fail an MOT regardless of the emissions reading, i have failed 3 vehicles so far that have had DPF delete pipes fitted, and one where i could clearly see the DPF was tampered with.

 

And before people have a go at me, i'm only doing my job according to the MOT manual.

2. On a long journey in my 2.0 TSI vRS, I got just over 37mpg on Tesco Momentum, without particularly trying to drive economically. Completely standard hatchback car.

27 minutes ago, Mankee said:

2. On a long journey in my 2.0 TSI vRS, I got just over 37mpg on Tesco Momentum, without particularly trying to drive economically. Completely standard hatchback car.

Thanks. Those figures don’t sound too bad. 

 

On another topic are you the same mankee who used to be on a lot of Peugeot forums about 10 years ago and write for practical performance car? 

Yeah, I'm happy with that fuel economy. Not so happy with the flat, standard power band, but that can be fixed easily.

 

Yes sir, I am that same person! Small world! I'm back in French tin in the form of a Berlingo van. It's only broken down once so far. Do we know each other?

13 minutes ago, Mankee said:

Yeah, I'm happy with that fuel economy. Not so happy with the flat, standard power band, but that can be fixed easily.

 

Yes sir, I am that same person! Small world! I'm back in French tin in the form of a Berlingo van. It's only broken down once so far. Do we know each other?

 

We knocked about on the same forums but I don’t think we met at the time. I was on PGAC rallye register and others. I knocked about with Phil Barker (fuzzy orange) for a while and met up with Ben Allen a couple of times. The name just sticks in my mind. 

Fuzzy Orange, now that's a blast from the past! I've not seen Ben for a long while now. I don't know what part of the world he's in actually. He still contributes to the mad, as do I, when I have time and something to write about.

 

I considered a DSG box but I've heard of horror stories of massive repair bills when they go wrong. They can take a large amount of torque and have that Marmite DSG fart, which I can't work out if I like or not. But I'm still a three pedals and left-hand rower fan so I'm happy with full manuals in all my cars.

17 hours ago, Ju1ian1001 said:

Wrong info, A removed DPF will fail an MOT regardless of the emissions reading, i have failed 3 vehicles so far that have had DPF delete pipes fitted, and one where i could clearly see the DPF was tampered with.

 

How do you detect whether there is a DPF or not? If you remove it in your garage in some amateur way than it might fail. If some skilled technician removes the pipe, removes the DPF, welds it back and does the programming - how do you detect that? If the car is in a good shape then the smoke level should be less then 1,5 or whatever is the limit.

Don't know about UK MOTs but in Latvia should be more or less the same. At least it's said to be done in some universal EU style. Plenty of people pass the MOT every year IF everything has been done properly. Cars from 2012 have to been added to computer to see if EGR, DPF, Ad-blu and other systems work. Smart people know how to do programming to satisfy the MOT testers (they think that all these systems work) and the car (thinks that there are no such systems at all).

Yesterday I passed MOT. I have existing DPF but my EGR is disabled virtually. Visual inspection showed that it IS THERE Sure, it is but it doesn't work.

5 hours ago, Mankee said:

Fuzzy Orange, now that's a blast from the past! I've not seen Ben for a long while now. I don't know what part of the world he's in actually. He still contributes to the mad, as do I, when I have time and something to write about.

 

I considered a DSG box but I've heard of horror stories of massive repair bills when they go wrong. They can take a large amount of torque and have that Marmite DSG fart, which I can't work out if I like or not. But I'm still a three pedals and left-hand rower fan so I'm happy with full manuals in all my cars.

 

I actually lived with fuzzy for a short while. Had a couple of years where we were really close. Ended after I got married and had kids and life got on the way. 

 I had a great weekend at TRAX years ago with Ben and alistair as well as a few pod trips. but it was years and years ago. 

 My usernames were either darren9 or marinerpug. Had a succession of rattly Peugeot’s none of them were particularly memorable for anyone else before I got a Skoda 1st time round. 

 

Im wary of the dsg box having heard horror stories. But I borrowed an auto merc from my old man and the lazy driving experience was quite nice. 

I have had a PD VRS and a CR VRS. Although I hah no major issues with the DPF with the PD engine the regen light did come on a couple of times but quickly cleared again with a bit of a blast. With the CR the light never came on once in over 80k I drove it for. So the CR is certainly more DPF friendly. The CR would regularly do 42mpg around the place and managed 55mpg on a long run.

Hello,

 

For what it's worth I've had a pre FL (2006) manual TFSi vRS and am currently on a 2009 Fl Cr TDI RS - also manual.

 

I loved the sheer go at the top end of the petrol car's range and even when I used to indulge  - which you will when it's such a giggle - it still got fairly respectable mpg figures.

 

A change of communting circumstances though meant I had to jump ship to the dark side and so I now have the CR Tdi as mentioned above.

 

Getting used to the more torquey, narrower powerband with attendant drop in sheer BHP wasn't as much of a shock as I'd first envisaged but you will easily see 50mpg on a run without really trying.

 

Yes, it's definitely a bit more raucous and you learn to shift up earlier but for a diesel it will rev quite freely and is a very satisfying thing to own.

 

I'm currently looking to swap back to petrol myself as I can now use the Missus' DERV-fuelled Peugeot for commuting and I must confess to missing that revvy extra little bit that the petrol engine gives you & can live with the drop in economy!

 

Either way I guess you pays your money & takes your choice but I dont think either will disappoint.

 

Sorry I can't comment on the DSG as I've never had one but it's on my list for the next car..

 

Hope you get something good anyway.

 

Cheers,

D.

Well I can at least add my experience on fuel consumption. I have 2011 2.0 VRS Petrol. It has also had a remap (seriously such an improvement). 

 

There are 3 driving modes:

Brisk i.e. My usual. - 24-28mpg. Weeeeeee.

Everyone else's normal - average 34-36mpg. 

Steady motorway 55mph mode activated for longer journeys (think Nottingham to London M1) - 38-40mpg

I really find that how you drive it can have a huge effect on fuel economy. I only ever use Shell V-power.

Thanks for the pointers. 

 

Unfortunately my current car (ford kuga) is proving more difficult to shift than expected. Especially now it’s  developed  a horrendous vibration and needs an MOT. Plan is to shift that and then go vrs hunting. I was considering an e9x bmw too but I think the vrs will be the better option.