I am just on the edge of going to buy a demo model if I can find one or a new one....I got an email from a skoda dealer I was in contact with who wrote. " Due to the new testing of MPG and Co2 WLTP.  The Karoq 1.5si  is a factory order only .    ....all dealers have had to stop on ordering showroom demo cars.   Thus ordering a new model will be from.   6 to 12 months". 

 

Is this for real or dealer spin to sell a car?

 Any thought guys 

 

 

Send a message to Skoda UK Customer Services asking them to confirm that and telling them where you were told that and by whom, 

see what reply you get.

Maybe Auto Express & Autocar will pick up on their answer.

http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us 

Thank you off ski.  Have written to Skoda and will let you know 

thanks 

Here in Finland the waiting list is 10 months. Ordered June, estimated pickup March 2019.

Those orders in June for delivery in 2019 were obviously for cars that nobody could know the spec of or what the price of them would be.

If delivery in the UK is March 2019 that will be after Britain leaves the EU and the prices could change quite a lot if there are tariff changes or just a big change in the value of the Pound.

1 hour ago, Offski said:

Those orders in June for delivery in 2019 were obviously for cars that nobody could know the spec of or what the price of them would be.

If delivery in the UK is March 2019 that will be after Britain leaves the EU and the prices could change quite a lot if there are tariff changes or just a big change in the value of the Pound.

 

Any changes to the pound have already been discounted and factored in by the currency markets (you only have to look at the differential on 6 month and 12 month currency forward FECs to realise that) 

 

Retail prices are only changed quarterly, and as there is a time lag of signing off prices, any retail price change won’t hit until 1st July.  Short term requirements will be offset and hedged within the VW group Treasury.

 

If Brexit goes no deal (which could happen), it won’t be tariffs that cause the problem, it will be import paperwork.  Vast numbers of trucks with parts and goods may take days/weeks to get through ports (France has habit of being difficult and might validate every truck entering EU), similarly cars may not have the new UK certification to be imported if we crash out on a no deal Brexit.

 

I work for an international trade finance company, and anyone near the practicalities thinks Brexit is stupid.  Why do you think London (where people are involved in commerce) and advised their friends/relatives voted 80% stay.  

 

One scenario is that UK simply moves to back of queue for factory allocations, why send cars to UK when there are waiting lists of 10 months in Finland (as above) and elsewhere in EC.  Might just get ours only when other countries back orders are cleared, few months pause in UK deliveries whilst everyone digests the UK paperwork requirements.  The manufacturers are there to make a profit,  not put UK ahead of other countries with new car demand.

Edited 17 July, 20187 yr by SurreyJohn

14 hours ago, Biggles33 said:

" Due to the new testing of MPG and Co2 WLTP.  The Karoq 1.5si  is a factory order only .    ....all dealers have had to stop on ordering showroom demo cars.   Thus ordering a new model will be from.   6 to 12 months". 

 

Is this for real or dealer spin to sell a car?

 

 

It's for real. Other manufacturers are experiencing similar delays for petrol models. Don't forget that the Karoq is a brand new crossover so delivery times are long anyways. Yesterday I went into a Volvo dealer and the earliest deliveries for the XC40 is March 2019.

Today I was told by my local Skoda dealer delivery times for factory ordered Karoqs is 21 weeks. 

 

If your car needs are urgent you can also consider the Ateca which has shorter waiting times. However it's a bit pricier. I prefer the Karoq.

21 weeks wow thats a long time thank you

 

SEAT Ateca waiting times for delivery might well be quoted at dealers as being less than at Skoda dealers, very doubtful that they will actually be delivered sooner though.

Getting a build week confirmed is about the only way you can even get near to knowing when a vehicle might be coming to you a month or so later.

8 minutes ago, Offski said:

SEAT Ateca waiting times for delivery might well be quoted at dealers as being less than at Skoda dealers, very doubtful that they will actually be delivered sooner though.

Getting a build week confirmed is about the only way you can even get near to knowing when a vehicle might be coming to you a month or so later.

 

Exactly. There are also delays on petrol Ateca. Some dealers anticipated this and frontloaded with Ateca that sit on the forecourt for customers who need immediate delivery. Even petrol BMW X3 models have November as the earliest delivery month, and as you insinuated, times quoted by dealers are only estimate. Waiting time could be longer.  

Spoke to a dealer and he say if I ordered today it would be December DELIVERY?

I am after a petrol blue 1.5 sel model      I have been dealing with a dealer near my son in England also a local one  but sadly they  can offer no discount on a KAROQ  even though a six month wait for me with them having a deposit of my money.........Seems no difference from buying from Skoda or any dealer..

 

Skoda /Karoq is  a lovely car but I have had three  Peugeots which in the past   have done exceptional reliability before my present Octavia...MMMMMM

 

Has any body used Car Wow rather than a dealer?   

Edited 18 July, 20187 yr by Biggles33

15 minutes ago, Biggles33 said:

Has any body used Car Wow rather than a dealer?   

 

Yes. I bought my Fabia through Carwow last year. Most dealers have 1-2 members of staff dedicated to Carwow enquiries and sales. The biggest discount I've been offered on a factory ordered 1.5 SE L is 7.5%.

So it's quite safe to use Car Wow then.  As I don't know anybody that has used them..    

Biggles33,  is this at Skoda Specialist Cars John Clark Aberdeen and if you order today it will be December 2018 delivery?

?

Which sales person said this?

On 17/07/2018 at 09:07, SurreyJohn said:

I work for an international trade finance company, and anyone near the practicalities thinks Brexit is stupid.  Why do you think London (where people are involved in commerce) and advised their friends/relatives voted 80% stay.

 

Yes. Business wants what's good for business. We get it. 

 

....why send cars to UK when there are waiting lists of 10 months in Finland (as above) and elsewhere in EC...

 

Oh, I don't know. Maybe for the same reason that they prioritise the UK market already? I'd agree, the paperwork side might change things though. It depends on what matters most to them.

 

Edited 18 July, 20187 yr by Michael G

New car registration in Finland about 150,000 annually, 

the UK 2.5 million, 80,000 or so Skoda.    VW Group need to be getting cars delivered for registering / selling / leasing.

I don't want to get a sales person into trouble but they said 12 to 14 weeks another garage said December...but I did not know if that is an accurate set of dates.       But what I seem to understand from the. Dealers is no discount deal available on a Karoq.      Thus  my wondering about Car Wow.     It seems if I just go onto the Skoda HQ site and design a car. It's the same cost as a dealer.......so no competition here.   Or deals.     Why bother going to af dealer....  

 

 

 One of them in the past,   Hit me with a 750 pound recommendation.  For new disc brakes on my then three year old VRS Octavia.     Two MOT later and having had it checked out by anothrr two garages it's still passing the MOT without that brake change.    Car goes in for a MOT. Next week it would be interesting to see if it passes this year

So that's why I am not 100% trusting a Skoda dealer 

 

Edited 18 July, 20187 yr by Biggles33

6 hours ago, Biggles33 said:

Has any body used Car Wow rather than a dealer?   

 

You can use both in a way. Just get a carwow quote and take it to the local dealer and they'll likely match it. At least they would before they made ordering the thing quite a challenge. 

10 hours ago, Offski said:

New car registration in Finland about 150,000 annually, 

the UK 2.5 million, 80,000 or so Skoda.    VW Group need to be getting cars delivered for registering / selling / leasing.

You are right, the sales are bigger in UK. There is 65 million people, Finland 5 million.

VAG market share here is over 25%, how big it is in UK?

2017 Skoda registration in Finland was 11505 and 2018 so far 6816 (01-06/18).

VW / SEAT / SKODA / AUDi just like all the others, Ford, Vauxhall etc,  First Registering many cars to themselves and selling Pre-Reg or just Financed / Leased and they own and then are sold as Used cars.

Keep up the 'Sold' in a Month, Quarter, first 6 months, last year and let the SMMT quote numbers.

So real 'Selling' of new cars figures is always something of a kidology, as is 'Cars Delivered', around the world when the deliveries are to VW actually.

*VW Group very much in the Money Borrowing and Lending and Financing Business, maybe even pyramid selling / banking.*

 

Maybe Scotland would be a good comparison with Finland seeing as there are under 6 million of a population.

There will be First Registration figures for Scotland someplace, plenty Skoda Dealers in Scotland and Skoda on the roads.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-39895327 

 

 

• Volkswagen UK market share 2017 _ Statistics.mhtml

• Best selling car models in the UK 2017 _ Statistic.mhtml

Edited 19 July, 20187 yr by Offski

On 17/07/2018 at 09:07, SurreyJohn said:

 

Any changes to the pound have already been discounted and factored in by the currency markets (you only have to look at the differential on 6 month and 12 month currency forward FECs to realise that) 

 

Retail prices are only changed quarterly, and as there is a time lag of signing off prices, any retail price change won’t hit until 1st July.  Short term requirements will be offset and hedged within the VW group Treasury.

 

If Brexit goes no deal (which could happen), it won’t be tariffs that cause the problem, it will be import paperwork.  Vast numbers of trucks with parts and goods may take days/weeks to get through ports (France has habit of being difficult and might validate every truck entering EU), similarly cars may not have the new UK certification to be imported if we crash out on a no deal Brexit.

 

I work for an international trade finance company, and anyone near the practicalities thinks Brexit is stupid.  Why do you think London (where people are involved in commerce) and advised their friends/relatives voted 80% stay.  

 

One scenario is that UK simply moves to back of queue for factory allocations, why send cars to UK when there are waiting lists of 10 months in Finland (as above) and elsewhere in EC.  Might just get ours only when other countries back orders are cleared, few months pause in UK deliveries whilst everyone digests the UK paperwork requirements.  The manufacturers are there to make a profit,  not put UK ahead of other countries with new car demand.

 

On ‎17‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 07:30, Grumpy Finn said:

Here in Finland the waiting list is 10 months. Ordered June, estimated pickup March 2019.

Waited 16 days for our SEL back in January. It had already been built however and was in the right colour for us.

2 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Waited 16 days for our SEL back in January. It had already been built however and was in the right colour for us.

You were very lucky to get car you liked that quickly.

Ours will have Webasto, VarioFlex, digital dashboard and heated windscreen, seats, steering wheel etc. I takes time, it will be my2019b.

PCP on our Yeti is up in January and as I'm retiring a couple of months later the plan was to change it for something petrol, probably a 1.5 tsi Karoq.

 

However reading this it seems unlikely that this is going to happen. Even if I ordered now it seems unlikely that I could get a car around January and as Offski says with the unknowns over the MY19 specifications (worse than usual!!) there is no way I'm going to order now.

 

I'd already got concerns over how Brexit was going to affect car prices and supply which are looking increasingly likely to be realized which along with delays on the 1.5 tsi engine and delays due to the changes in consumption and emissions testing generally are making buying a new car too much of a lottery, especially as it seems there are not much in the way of deals to be had? This can't be good for the manufacturers as sales will be reduced significantly.

 

So it looks as though we will be buying the Yeti at the end of the term and hanging onto it until things become clearer. No great hardship as we really like the Yeti, just would have liked to change to petrol for when I stop commuting.

Silver clouds, 

there will be plenty various 18 plates with no or nearly no miles in the UK from all manufacturers and by Jan 2019 Dealers will really want them sold and make space for new March Registrations of what ever is coming into the UK.

 

Buyers market as long as you are not wanting a WLTP vehicle with a 68 plate before the end of 2018.