Oil type in 1.4 TSI 4x4

[Ootohere]

But 5w 40 Full Synthetic to VW 502 is perfect for 'Fixed Servicing' even with a Euro 6 1.4 TSI ACT / 1.4 TFSI COD or 1.5 TSI EVO / ACT.

 

In a few year owners of keeper or those buying an out of warranty car might wish they had used VW 502 oil and done fixed service intervals and given Long Life OIl & Variable Servicing a miss.

[BoxerBoy]

8 hours ago, kilted said:

I wouldn't trust their search function - my car (1.4TSI) shows up as 0W40 or 5W40 as being suitable (which complies with VW 502/505).

 

I didn't say I was trusting anyone’s search function.

 

Simply suggesting that these are examples of where one might purchase oil.

 

Of the appropriate specification.

[xman]

I have a 2018 built 1.4tsi 150ps engined Superb. There is a factory sticker next to the bonnet release that specifies oil as VW 504.00 VW 507.00

 

I suspect the engine is factory filled with 508 (likely Fuchs) as it is a very clear non coloured oil unlike Castrol Edge which is golden in colour. As offski states this oil exists so that VAG can squeeze their NEDC/CO2/WLTP figures down so reducing the chance of EU emission rule penalties.

 

But it is clear from the factory sticker that VAG think 504/507 is the correct service oil and given the massive price difference, dealers will continue to use 504/507 anyway.

 

Provided the engine does not have a GPF (check with user manual) I agree with Offski that a good quality full synthetic 502 oil when  changed on the fixed interval service regime is probably as good or better than 504/507, especially as Castrol oils allegedly aren't really fully synthetic in the sense of synthesized chemically. They are super hydro cracked oils, not the same.

 

Google Mobil Castrol lawsuit.

 

My manual shows that 508, 504 and 502 are all suitable provided a compatible service regime is followed.

 

Important! Where GPFs are fitted (as will be the case with WLTP from September) then 502 will probably not be suitable as a low ash oil is required for the GPF, check the user manual and oil specs carefully in those cases.

 

 

 

Edited 20 July, 2018 by xman

[Ootohere]

^^^ You are on the ball there.

Lets hope those Factory Trained VW Group Technicians and others are full gened up on the Fluids / Oils & Servicing and maintenance of the Petrols with GPF's when they do arrive with Dealerships, Customers and then back into dealerships.

 

Going to be a learning curve for all but surely those full time professionals and their support structure in the car trade will have all the knowledge to be able to assist and advise those that just buy / lease and drive cars....

Edited 21 July, 2018 by Offski

[xman]

More information about VW oil specifications

 

Take note of the warning anout 508/509 oil. So look carefully for the engine bay oil specification sticker located next to the a/c refrigerant spec sticker next to the bonnet realease catch!

 

VW 508.00/509.00
    This specification combo (508.00 for petrol, 509.00 for diesel) requires a 0W20 viscosity, fuel economy oil with long life additives. These specifications are NOT backward compatible with the eariler VW specifications

 

The same warning is repeated across all oil manufacturers.

 

Fuchs (who supply factory fill oil) press release

Edited 21 July, 2018 by xman

[DaveMiller]

I’m not clear about what you’re saying there, xman.  If I’ve got it right, you’re saying that if you want to follow 508.00/509.00, then it will be 0W20.

 

But what if you don’t, and you follow the alternative 504.00/507.00?

[xman]

54 minutes ago, DaveMiller said:

  If I’ve got it right, you’re saying that if you want to follow 508.00/509.00, then it will be 0W20.

 

That is correct, 508/509 specifies the oil is 0w20, it is super thin for fuel economy.

 

54 minutes ago, DaveMiller said:

But what if you don’t, and you follow the alternative 504.00/507.00?

 

Explained in my last link

Fuchs press release about 508/509

 

Basically you can use 504/507 without problem but you can only use 508/509 if the engine is designed to use it. The factory sticker in my 1.4tsi engine compartment suggests that 508/509 should NOT be used on this engine, so I've just checked the latest Skoda download user manual and its states......

 

To find out which type of engine oil you can use for your vehicle, contact a
specialist garage. If this oil is not available, other oils can also be refilled. To prevent engine damage, a maximum of 0.5 l of engine oil with the following specifications may be used until the next oil change:
▶ Petrol engines: VW 504 00, VW 502 00, VW 508 00, ACEA A3/ACEA B4 or
API SN, (API SM);
▶ Diesel engines: VW 507 00, ACEA C3 or API CJ-4. Engine oil VW 505 01 can optionally be used in diesel engines without a DPF.

 

Castrol oil selector also says 504/507 only, not 508/509 also (1.0tsi engines can have 508/509)

 

It seems 504/507 is the correct oil for 1.4tsi as fitted to latest production models.

 

Edited 21 July, 2018 by xman

[DaveMiller]

Thanks. I’m with you now!

[atki81]

Is the sticker anywhere else? Mine is different. The production date is the 3rd May 2018. I can see a lot of Audi and VW logo’s everywhere lol

Edited 21 July, 2018 by atki81

[xman]

Hmmm. Superb and Kodiaq are made in the same factory. My Superb was built end of Jan 2018.

 

Confusing.

[atki81]

12 minutes ago, xman said:

Hmmm. Superb and Kodiaq are made in the same factory. My Superb was built end of Jan 2018.

 

Confusing.

xman is yours an ACT model? Mine is the 1.4TSI 150 4x4 DSG6 without ACT.

[silver1011]

No oil spec sticker on the slam panel of my 2018 1.4 TSI 150PS Kodiaq either.

 

Both the manual and Skoda UK have told me to use VW 508.00.

[xman]

1 hour ago, atki81 said:

xman is yours an ACT model? Mine is the 1.4TSI 150 4x4 DSG6 without ACT.

 

Yes mine is ACT. The latest user manuals available to download for Kodiaq produced after 2017 have the wording I quoted above and do not have a recommendation chart.

 

http://manual.skoda-auto.com/004/en-com/Model/Kodiaq_NS

 

For top ups up to 0.5 litre max, the manual says it is not important which is used.

 

Maybe Kodiak 1.4 tsi 4x4 owners should also check if you have a GPF fitted, after all, the Tiguan 1.4 TSI 4x4 has had a GPF fitted for some time now. 

 

Castrol LL IV FE (508/509)

Castrol LL III Edge (504/507)

 

Edited 21 July, 2018 by xman

[silver1011]

Top-up oil arrived...

 

 

 

[atki81]

Some people are greedy buying 2!! No wonder the prices are getting pushed up lol

[Yogi-Bear]

11 hours ago, silver1011 said:

Top-up oil arrived...

 

So... when it is sealed in the original container, you can use it for 4 years from the date of manufacturer. The one bottle (maybe both) are already over half-way into that time period. And as you have a brand new car, it is very unlikely that you will need to top up the oil within the first couple of years (or ever!) unless you are going to be doing some seriously high mileage.

 

I'm afraid it looks like you've wasted a bit of money there, IMHO.

[atki81]

It’s better to have it and not need it, than to be in pickle without it! I’ve got spare oil, spare tyre, warning triangle, tyre pump, first aid kit plus lots more just to be prepared.

[Ootohere]

If VW Group cracked it and 1.4 TSI's need no oil top ups in 9,400 miles then great.

Vorsprung Durch Technik finally.   Just in time for discontinuing these engines.

[silver1011]

1 hour ago, WiggosSideburns said:

 

So... when it is sealed in the original container, you can use it for 4 years from the date of manufacturer. The one bottle (maybe both) are already over half-way into that time period. And as you have a brand new car, it is very unlikely that you will need to top up the oil within the first couple of years (or ever!) unless you are going to be doing some seriously high mileage.

 

I'm afraid it looks like you've wasted a bit of money there, IMHO.

 

Not true.

 

It's actually three years according to Volkswagen.

 

http://www.skoda-auto.com/other/oils-standards

 

However, opinion varies wildly depending on where you look, and as with cambelt intervals, which market you're in. This is why a production date, and not an expiry date is printed on the bottle.

 

As long as the oil remains sealed, is stored in optimum conditions and is shaken well before use, it is perfectly reasonable to expect the oil to remain stable for extended periods.

 

Some oil manufacturers (Valvoline being one) promote this as a feature of their products.

 

You're also assuming that the oil is all destined for the Kodiaq, it isn't.

 

 

 

[Yogi-Bear]

1 minute ago, silver1011 said:

Not true.

 

It's actually three years according to Volkswagen.

 

I'm only going off what's written on the bottle in the picture you posted! 

[silver1011]

1 hour ago, WiggosSideburns said:

 

...you can use it for 4 years from the date of manufacturer.

 

This isn't written on the bottle.

[Yogi-Bear]

2 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

This isn't written on the bottle.

 

Look at the third picture you posted...!

 

Edited 24 July, 2018 by WiggosSideburns

[silver1011]

Good spot, seems VAG's tradition of contradicting information continues...

 

 

Unless this is the minimum requirement for oils wishing to pass Volkswagen group standards...

 

Edited 24 July, 2018 by silver1011

[Yogi-Bear]

25 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

Unless this is the minimum requirement for oils wishing to pass Volkswagen group standards...

 

You do know what "must be > 36 months" means, yes? Last I looked, 4 years > 36 months. So no contradiction there.

 

Only your oil has less than 2 years of shelf life left.

[xman]

4 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

Only your oil has less than 2 years of shelf life left.

 

....And then it turns into poisonous thick black gloop which your local recycling centre will refuse to take because the council will class it as hazardous waste.