Just wanted to know if any Yeti owners who are eligible going to claim.

 Deadline is 26 october. j&j.  

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What are you claiming for, have you sold your Yeti and lost money.

 

Is this still the deadline and another Class Action Court action after the one the other week where VW Group were awarded costs?

I guess if it can be proven that resale value has been significantly reduced, anyone could claim damages.

15 hours ago, Offski said:

Is this still the deadline and another Class Action Court action after the one the other week where VW Group were awarded costs?

 

For clarity, the costs award was because of a procedural mess in raising the initial class action suit, not because of any finding in VW's favour re the emissions cheat.  Basically, umpteen law firms were trying to get on the class action bandwagon and arguing with each other about how to pursue it, which ended up costing VW time and money in trying to work out exactly what litigation they were going to have to defend themselves against.

 

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/vw-wins-costs-order-against-premature-group-litigation/5067425.article

 

How this could possibly happened is, of course, a complete mystery.  I mean, nobody could possibly believe that greedy law firms were desperate to try to grab a healthy cut of what looked like it could be a juicy no-win-no-fee pie.  Could they?

So has anyone that still have the car and not had it in for 'The Fix' got any losses financially,

or have they been offered too little because it is a VW Group Diesel or just a diesel?

Audi loses another one -

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180928/ANE/180929745/audi-suffers-new-blow-as-development-boss-steps-down?cciid=email-autonews-blast

On 28/09/2018 at 11:26, Offski said:

So has anyone that still have the car and not had it in for 'The Fix' got any losses financially,

or have they been offered too little because it is a VW Group Diesel or just a diesel?

 

I don't have my (non-fixed) 2010 Yeti 140 any more - I traded it in for a 2017 150.  I was happy with the deal I got, and I have no idea whether or not the trade-in I was offered was lower than it otherwise might have been because of 'the scandal'.  I'm not entirely sure how I could go about finding that out, without an immensely time-consuming trawl through actual (rather than estimated) private sale/trade-in values of comparable vehicles - assuming such data were actually available.  No doubt the group action lawyers have resources and information sources which would allow them to do this*.

 

FWIW, the dealer I bought the only-very-slightly used 150 from was not a VAG dealer, and they matched the trade-in I had previously been offered against an equivalent brand new Drive model by a VAG dealer.  If anything, I'd have expected VAG dealers to be incentivised in some way to offer higher than market trade-in values to try to disguise any loss of value for diesel owners, and any trade-in offered against a used car to be lower than that offered against a brand new one (although I am willing to be corrected on that last point by those who know the car trade better than I do).

 

I did go and have a look at the Slater & Gordon group action web site.  Unsurprisingly, there are screeds of legal verbiage that you have to agree to in order to join up.  I seriously doubt whether the vast majority of those who have signed up will have read most or even any of it.  I certainly don't have time to do so right now, and I definitely wouldn't consider entering in to a legally binding agreement with an enterprise (which has already been penalised for being dis-organised) without fully understanding any risks or liabilities which might end up landing on me.

 

The Slater & Gordon web site lists five reasons why you 'should' join the class action: health, environment, financial, simplicity and accountability.  Of those, one (simplicity) boils down to merely "because it's easy" - which IMO it isn't, if you follow due process ie read all the documents.  I'm not sure how a civil suit could be based on any health, environment or accountability arguments: they're regulatory issues.  Including those as justifications for a civil suit strikes me as being a pretty poor attempt to appeal to the "stick it to the man" attitude.  In any case, the awarding of exemplary damages in the UK is very different to the US where, to cite a well-known example, the woman who got scalded by hot coffee got all the money that McDonalds was 'fined' by the court for knowingly serving coffee at a dangerously high temperature.  In the UK the award of exemplary damages is much more strictly controlled and only happens in certain very specific types of case.

 

IMO it's only really the financial loss part which has any realistic hope of going anywhere, and even then it's far from a sure thing.  I therefore have doubts whether the group action case has any realistic likelihood of producing any worthwhile payout for the class action members.  Especially once the lawyers have taken their cut - Jarndyce and Jarndyce in Bleak House inevitably springs to mind.  One day, at some point in the dim and distant future (bearing in mind that the case isn't expected to go to court until late 2019) a payout of some kind might be forthcoming.  Perhaps more likely is that VAG will agree to an out-of-court settlement ie pay to make it go away (although they don't seem to be in that state of mind at the moment).  But as I'm not aware of actually having been financially disadvantaged by 'the scandal' anyway, either result would feel more like "everyone else is getting some so I don't see why I shouldn't too" rather than that I would actually deserve any recompense.

 

I did note that part of the sign-up process requires you to state that you wouldn't have bought the car had you known about 'the scandal'.  That requires an unusual degree of retrospective analysis IMO, and is one that I myself couldn't answer honestly in the affirmative.  After all, if the facts had been known at the time I bought the car then I couldn't have bought it anyway, since it would have been illegal to sell on the grounds that it was known at the time that it didn't meet the then-current emissions regulations.  If I have to be less than honest myself in order to be in with a (debatable) chance of a (probably slim) payout then IMO that makes me no better than the defendants in the case - who did at least eventually admit to having been dishonest.  In very, very simple terms: I believe that the "two wrongs don't make a right" principle would apply, for me at least.

 

* I'm lying: I have many doubts about this.  I suspect they would prefer to rely on contorted legal arguments and waffle.  Much cheaper than doing any real work.

Edited 29 September, 20187 yr by ejstubbs

2 hours ago, ejstubbs said:

 .... In very, very simple terms: I believe that the "two wrongs don't make a right" principle would apply, for me at least.

 

A very cogent post, Mr Stubbs

The only thing that could be argued is a loss of value when selling the car. We have an unfixed fabia 1.6tdi, which we will probably keep another three or four years by which time it will be into banger value. However I doubt if those in the market for a 10 year old, low mileage, good condition, and fuel efficient car will care a toss about its emissions status. After all someone is going to buy it and use it if the potential first buyer doesn't. Indeed an unfixed car may well have an enhanced value?

 

The other thing is that the emissions scandal has affected the market for all diesel vehicles. Bizarrely sales of new clean Euro 6 diesels which emit no more nox than a petrol car, and use much less fuel reducing co2 output have slumped. So if I had a Ford diesel wouldn't I also want to jump on this compensation bandwagon based on that having had its value reduced?

 

Personally I went ahead and bought a new 150tdi Yeti in the knowledge of the scandal already happening, so I can't claim. Indeed when my car is 5 years old and about to be changed, it may well have an enhanced rarity value over the thirsty and underpowered petrol equivalents?

Edited 29 September, 20187 yr by kenfowler3966

Just another ppi ambulance chasing bunch of low life solicitors looking for a bumper pay day.

 

(Ordinary) cars lose value - fact, its called depreciation. Depreciation varies with fashion, perceived reliability, perceived cost of ownership, perceived status, dozens of things. Many cars take a nose dive in value when rumours or bad things get said, mk2 vrs fabia for example, many engine failures maybe 10% but all tarred with the same brush. Honest John says he thinks model x or brand x is unreliable or prone to problems, the second hand value dives as a result, do you sue the motor manufacturer or HJ??

 

"If I knew this car was going to lose more value than I thought, I wouldn't have bought it" isn't going to work in a court. Neither is "this car isn't as economical or clean as I thought" as that applies to most cars ever made.

Xman, 

Over 20% nearer 33%  engines replaced or rebuilt in the Skoda Twinchargers First Registered in the UK 2010-2012, 1,800 cars.

Even replacement engines replaced, then failures in the 1,100 2012-2015 First Registered in the UK.

Similar with the VW, SEAT & Audi with the 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136kw Euro 5 engines.

Edited 29 September, 20187 yr by Offski

Chaps looking after chaps, as Sir Humphrey would say -

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20181001/ANE/181009953/jailed-audi-ceo-stadler-could-get-big-pay-out?cciid=email-ane-daily

 

would a line worker get to collect.............?

Germany’s Legislative plans to reduce city pollution -

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20181002/ANE/181009912/german-parties-agree-to-diesel-costs-deal?cciid=email-autonews-blast

 

details to be announced today

It a few years too late for mine to have the fix  -

http://view.email.volkswagen.net.au/?qs=6df3ed3d3cc2736353e50a9cf79bf3b87c2523e163c3e6ea46fd99274d98a04d19931ed0981e7a1b87e0702a863813d0353c1b8cc2207cbdd4fd494434c63a6d6d20ea9395d5481c25f2b30dbdaaf665

 

As if !.........it was off to the knakers (auctions) I seem to recall.

Odd that their tracking system didn’t pick it up.

 

Almost guaranteed that the fix will be done prior to resale due to Australian Design Rules (ADR), so I guess that would be the same in Britain.

Edited 5 October, 20187 yr by Ryeman

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Anyone here part of the class action that is in court in England?

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-50631823

 

Just noticed this ,could be coming to other countries soon