Hi Guys,

Picked up the 272ps yesterday and have a quick question. It seems to be idling at 1200 rpm (Even in park), which is much higher than the 800 or so that i was expecting, and feel more vibey.

Is this normal? - or does it need to go back for a look over?

(Never had a DSG before, but have had the same engine in a manual cupra)

Thanks.

Can't recall my 1.4tsi off hand, but I do know our 1.2tsi drops to a barely audible 650 rpm, when stood. When rolling it goes up to 800rpm.

 

Was the car fully warmed up? If so then query it with the dealer, for what that's worth.

 

Could possibly be doing a regen as this engine has a GPF/OPF/PPF.

 

Hopes its not another 1.5tsi fiasco in the making.

My 16 reg 280 idles at 800. Rises to 1000 or so in sport mode. Maybe you're in sport instead of drive?

Thanks guys. It was certainly not warm, but i had considered it was the GPF.

Deffo not in sport, it was showing D and I've been consciously keeping it out of sport whilst "running it in" - i know it's not strictly necessary, but it's no skin off my nose to save sport for later :-)

@DjEatch Sounds a bit odd. As you know I got mine this week too so can compare. Mine does the initial warm up and makes the classic VAG starter motor whine which seems to last a bit longer while it warms. I presumed some of the noise was down to the GPF as I've had an EA888 engine before. 

My idle drops down after the usual sort of warm up time. See how it goes and if it persists, maybe speak to the dealer 

It really watched it this morning, as initially it was 1200, but once i backed out of my parking space and sat on the brakes to go forward it did indeed drop to 800.

However, after dropping the boy at nursery, a mile down the road, it went back up to 1200 before the start stop kicked in.

It's probably a combination of user error, low battery and cold starts, but i'll mention it to the dealer and see what they say,

It could be normal for the new engine and gearbox combo (?)   TBH it doesn't sound normal but these engines are the latest breed and it could be a 'characteristic' just as easily as it could be something sinister or amiss.   

 

Anyone else on here with a 272 to give a like-for-like comparison? Anyone? 

 

Do you have any info regarding GPF regens or similar?   Maybe there's some other signs one is taking place, for example in a TDI; stop-start won't function when a regen is in progress.  

5 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

Do you have any info regarding GPF regens or similar?   Maybe there's some other signs one is taking place, for example in a TDI; stop-start won't function when a regen is in progress.  

 

GPF's do not need to regenerate like DPF's. The higher temperature a petrol engine runs at means that a GPF should burn off any particles as you drive. In theory there should be non of the problems DPF's have caused some diesel owners especially those doing short trips.

23 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

It could be normal for the new engine and gearbox combo (?)   TBH it doesn't sound normal but these engines are the latest breed and it could be a 'characteristic' just as easily as it could be something sinister or amiss.   

 

Anyone else on here with a 272 to give a like-for-like comparison? Anyone? 

 

Do you have any info regarding GPF regens or similar?   Maybe there's some other signs one is taking place, for example in a TDI; stop-start won't function when a regen is in progress.  

 

I'll check mine again tomorrow morning and report back 

8 minutes ago, skidpan said:

 

GPF's do not need to regenerate like DPF's. 

 

A bold statement. Not sure its entirely true.

 

 

 

 

Although petrols take shorter time to warm up, short journeys few miles in cold weather it may indeed not warm up enough to burn off.  If i was to drive to do the school run its 1 mile down the road if that! 

21 hours ago, xman said:

 

A bold statement. Not sure its entirely true.

 

 

When we were ordering the Fabia earlier this year it was unclear if we would get a 2018 spec car with no GPF or a 2019 spec car with a GPF. We did not want to end up in the same sort of circumstances were were in  when we had diesels e.g. ensuring the trips we did were mostly long enough to keep the DPF healthy, the Fabia liek the Note it was replacing would be spending a good deal of time on shorter runs and in town.

 

So I did some reading and all the sites I found were unanimous in the view that GPF's were very different in the way they regenerated to DPF's and because they were smaller and simpler were also much cheaper. Since petrol exhausts are much hotter than diesel exhausts the GPF would be passively regenerating pretty much all the time whereas a DPF needs long runs at a decent speed to do any amount of passive regeneration simply because of the low temp of diesel exhausts. The site also indicated that GPF would be placed close to the turbo to aid the temp needed but as with DPF's whilst that is desirable its not always possible due to underbonnet packaging. That is why many Peugeot/Citroens/Fords etc with the 1600 TDCi need the Eolys additive to increase the DPF temp.

 

But since Skoda appeared to have ramped up production of the MY18 cars early in 2018 ours came about 6 weeks earlier than predicted and with no GPF so no worries. Not sure if any Fabias with GPF's have even been delivered yet, not seen any 68 plate ones in these parts.

@DjEatch this morning I started the car after it had been sat for 2 days in the garage. It idled at 1200 for about 30 seconds, then I took it out the garage onto the drive. Placed it into park and the revs dropped to 800.

Hope that assists in some way? 

thanks @boydeee, after keeping a watchful eye on it, it does just seem to be that initial warm up before it's been put through a gear.

I'm not going to worry about it now :-) just going to enjoy floating along in the rocket barge.

It's called an automatic choke!

Hi @silver1011, 1200 seemed a bit high an vibey compared to the "same" engine i had in the cupra. That never popped over 1,000 on cold starts, otherwise i wouldn't have mentioned it. But it's good to know it's normal. Thanks.

I've not heard it on a petrol before, but some diesels increase the RPM from cold to speed up the increase in engine temperatures, especially if the Climatronic is calling for heat.