Look on the bright side, sounds like you are going to still be driving in another couple of decades. 

Edited 12 December, 20187 yr by Offski

23 hours ago, Offski said:

Look on the bright side, sounds like you are going to still be driving in another couple of decades. 

 

What, Post Brexit?

You really think cars (or anything) will be affordable after that... and this is without Corbyn turning us into a renationalised socialist economy!

1 hour ago, Ttaskmaster said:

 

What, Post Brexit?

You really think cars (or anything) will be affordable after that... and this is without Corbyn turning us into a renationalised socialist economy!

 

Least of our worries

 

Ten plagues to follow Brexit as predicted by some clever people maybe more.....

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt

 

On 07/12/2018 at 10:46, The Zee said:

It's certainly not in the same league as the new Focus Vignale.

 

When Skoda announced that the Rapid replacement was going to be a serious shift upmarket I expected it to be a mini Superb, which the Vignale is.

 

Sadly I can't see it being popular in the UK.

 

 

The Vignale is an overpriced trim for the Focus.

 

It makes is as pricey as an Audi A4 or BMW 3-Series on finance, yet the Ford only has 1L engine and will depreciate more steeply.

 

The brief for the Scala is simple: To be a cheaper alternative to the Golf while offering Octavia practicality in hatchback form. Going upmarket was never on the card.

 

I expected it to attract more buyers than the Rapid that looked good on paper but had the worst ride quality in the Skoda lineup.

 

 

 

 

The Focus Vignale comes in petrol with 1.0 & 125ps or 1.5 & 182 ps.  and £5,500 or so less than RRP is possible.

 

We will see soon hopefully how much the RRP is of the Scala and how 'much cheapness'  you can get with discounts.  

Skoda, VW, AUDI, SEAT price for Lease and Finance then sell at prices to shift stuff that are as popular as Stale Cakes.   Just like Ford.  Only they pile them high at dealerships...

11 hours ago, Skoffski said:

The Focus Vignale comes in petrol with 1.0 & 125ps or 1.5 & 182 ps.  and £5,500 or so less than RRP is possible.

 

We will see soon hopefully how much the RRP is of the Scala and how 'much cheapness'  you can get with discounts.  

Skoda, VW, AUDI, SEAT price for Lease and Finance then sell at prices to shift stuff that are as popular as Stale Cakes.   Just like Ford.  Only they pile them high at dealerships...

 

Thats why the Vignale comparison is irrelevant. The majority of hatchbacks bought are base with a manual gearbox. Top trims that add a 25% premium like Vignale, Scout or even Hyundai’s Premium SE are not hard sticks.

 

VW’s mk8 Golf is due later this will be the Scala’s biggest rival. Skoda must strive for price competitiveness. The Fabia for example is no longer a strong enough value proposition compared with the Polo. On finance the difference between the two is only 10-15% but the Polo has better resale value. 

 

If the Scala’s aim is to recruit new Skoda customers the finance offers need to be strong or else it will just be a hatchback body shape alternative to Octavia customers.

Taxi's - Private Hire / Hire Cars / Motability leased / Fleet & some bought privately.

My own hunch is the trim levels and pricing chosen might affect sales

 

Probably be a basic S trim, will appeal to rental fleets (if discounted price is low enough)

An SE trim (good lease deals, but not the vehicle of choice for new purchases)

SE-L trim for those that like gadgets and comfort

Some sort of launch top spec, with loads of options included, wont sell until they become ex demo

 

What I cannot work out, is what demographic Skoda UK will aim at, will be be those with young families (who probably cant afford to buy it, even if they can rent it), middle aged, the retired, or existing Skoda customers.   What I mean by this is spec will appeal, no one wants to pay for gadgets they will never use, and some will not buy a car if it doesn't have certain features, so what is fitted is going to determine how well it sells.  

 

There is a lot more than golf and focus, got to compete with, also  cars like citroen, or Kia ceed (with 7 year warranty) or new Toyota Corolla (5 year warranty).   Skoda seem to be getting tough on cars that fail just after the 3 year warranty runs out, not offering contributions any more, and that is going to be noticed by the richest demographic, those older than 55

I don't know why everyone is so negative about this.

Who said it was a competitor for Focus or whatever.................other than the motoring press whose opinions are pretty much worthless.

As I see it, it is a replacement for the Rapid, nothing more.

Anyway, if you want a Focus you will not be in a Škoda showroom so there will be no need to fret over it.

Seems to me that a lot of posters come here to moan

VW certainly don't want a "Golf-rival" in house. There must be more profit in Golf sales after all. The Scala will have to be pitched against lower priced opposition surely, aimed at a slightly different target audience?

Edited 7 February, 20197 yr by camelspyyder

What like the seat Leon.... oh hang on, crap guys, we can’t do that either. So...

 

Golf - Nope

Leon -Nope

A3 - Nope

Focus - Probably too expensive 

Civic - Probably not reliable enough

Peugot 308 - Hmm, can we emulate the bad driving experience?

In a recent triple test with 1.0 litre turbo Golf and Kia Ceed the depreciation of the SE Scala stood out. Over 3 years and 36,000 miles it loses £9,436 which is 49.2% whereas the Golf loses £12,189 or 41.4% and the Kia £10,624 or 42.9%. Regarding fuel economy the heaviest car on test the Kia averaged just 42.9mpg (1,297kg) against the Golf's 49mpg average (1,216kg) and the Scala being the lightest car on test (1,165kg) averaged 54.7mpg. Being the lightest helped the Scala achieve a 0-60mph time of 9.7 seconds, whereas the Golf was 9.8 seconds and the Kia 10.7 seconds.

^^^ 

All spin and a wish and a prayer.     Audi / VW etc will make sure that cars do not look like depreciating disasters as they are going back into them at end of lease.

The actual cash money they would buy a 3 year old car off you if not trading in is nothing like 'Magazine' percentage losses.

 

Those predictions via Derren Brown mean nothing.

VW Group might know what at the end of a lease they want cars to be worth.

 

What Car made the Mk3 Fabia What Car Car of the year before any were with owners / customers and predicted low depreciation and that the Polo was a better car with lower servicing costs.

Both were nonsense as usual, but a year or 2 years later What Car never says, we got that wrong.

 

Brokers prices are still cars selling with profits and that discounted prices should be the starting point of what a car cost if you bought it with cash money.

Depreciation really is what that car could be sold out of manufacturers warranty at 3 years old regardless of mileage.

Quoting what Renting a car and what the fictional value is has gone on for decades and there are 2nd hand cars filling compounds in the UK with crazy asking prices.

 

It seems to be getting that cars with a 5 or 7 year Manufacturers Warranty interest Used Buyers more than VW Group that have not the trust in their product to give a decent warranty.

VW have been found out eventually and the reliability myth no longer cuts it with many.

Edited 28 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Drove the Scala. Nice car but no electric parking brake with auto hold is a definite sore point. I also found the driver's seat to be too high so I felt like sitting on the car instead of in it. And who thought it was a good idea to make fan speed only controllable via the infotainment (Climatronic), how stupid! Rather a Golf to be quite honest.

@ZacDaMan72

All positives then if Skoda discontinue the Fabia & there is no 4th Generation.  

KISS for those that like a manual handbrake maybe because they have had enough of crappy Skoda rear disks and dodgy e-brakes.

 

You soon get back in the hand / parking brake way.     I do miss 'Autohold' though when not there with a DSG.

24 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

@ZacDaMan72

All positives then if Skoda discontinue the Fabia & there is no 4th Generation.  

KISS for those that like a manual handbrake maybe because they have had enough of crappy Skoda rear disks and dodgy e-brakes.

 

You soon get back in the hand / parking brake way.     I do miss 'Autohold' though when not there with a DSG.

I somewhat doubt the Fabia being discontinued. I haven't heard many issues about MQB EPB's - definitely an issue on the PQ platform cars like the B6 Passat.

 

I wouldn't have much of an issue with a manual handbrake, however I honestly never want to drive another car without auto hood...

Much silence on the future of the Fabia from Skoda, and a self charge Hybrid would be simple clever.  Currently just reduce choice of body and drivetrains.

They will have 'leaks' from Factory Insiders that might post on Facebook and even this forum.

That is the Skoda way.  Tell Autocar and Auto Express will have some 'Photo shopped' images that appeared a few years before and that will be an exclusive.

 

There is enough issues with EPB's in the UK, but not if you ask at a Skoda Dealership, they have never had issues it seems.

'Never seen that before'  & others ' They all do that'. 

On 28/08/2019 at 07:49, shyVRS245 said:

In a recent triple test with 1.0 litre turbo Golf and Kia Ceed the depreciation of the SE Scala stood out. Over 3 years and 36,000 miles it loses £9,436 which is 49.2% whereas the Golf loses £12,189 or 41.4% and the Kia £10,624 or 42.9%. Regarding fuel economy the heaviest car on test the Kia averaged just 42.9mpg (1,297kg) against the Golf's 49mpg average (1,216kg) and the Scala being the lightest car on test (1,165kg) averaged 54.7mpg. Being the lightest helped the Scala achieve a 0-60mph time of 9.7 seconds, whereas the Golf was 9.8 seconds and the Kia 10.7 seconds.

 

So the Golf retains allegedly near 60% and the Scala retains near 51%.

Having traded in a mint Rapid/Toledo I can tell you that 51% is at least highly unlikely and at worst outright lies. At 3.5 years old the retained % of my RRP was 30%.

 

By the way - was that one of the Auto Express triple tests? It also beat the new Focus and AN Other in the other one. At least in America, its obvious that Chevy are paying for the Ad when it puts the boot into Ford. If Auto Express put a sponsors name at the top of each page (e.g. SKODA UK) we the buyers would be able to be more objective about honesty of the test results.

Edited 30 August, 20196 yr by camelspyyder

1 minute ago, camelspyyder said:

 

So the Golf retains allegedly near 60% and the Scala retains near 51%.

Having traded in a mint Rapid/Toledo I can tell you that 51% is at least highly unlikely and at worst outright lies. At 3.5 years old the retained % of my RRP was 30%.

No Golf loses 58.6% and Skoda alledgedly 50.8% which I admit surprised me having owned a 2015 Spaceback and saw that drop from £18,600 to £8,450 in 3 years.

The cars are only just in Dealerships and there is nothing to go on other than History of VW, Skoda, SEAT and Auto express & Autocar are hopeless at guessomates.

 

Actually the calculators might be gifts from VW wrapped in £50 notes.

2 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

No Golf loses 58.6% and Skoda alledgedly 50.8% which I admit surprised me having owned a 2015 Spaceback and saw that drop from £18,600 to £8,450 in 3 years.

 

You know that big discounts on retail sales are going to savage residuals on the Scala. Arnold Clark and the like will be punting them out the door with 5k or more discount within months. Most of the SEAT Network did this with the Toledo throughout its life. After the facelift the discounts for the last 2 years were over 9k from RRP or 44% off.

They will be on the next Quarters Motability list / October with nil or very low Advance Payments, then out on Lease for 3 years and into BCA.

Lots if First Registrations in the last quarter of 2019 and first 2020.

Higher spec and hitting the market in late 2022 and early 2023.   Only time will tell what the actual demand is for these used. 

But then the whole pyramid banking carry on depends on future values. 

The crash must come soon though. 

Doh. 

Missed that.  Quickest ever i have seen a new model offered. 

Skoda must really be doing Motability a great deal.

 

Not as low as i expected, but that can change. Depends if Skoda are more desperate as SEAT trying to get cars shifted.

 

Notice the advance payment on Octavia with 1.5TSI engines....  Available in all colours etc, not a big seller. Like some crap clothes from a clubby.

 

Edited 30 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Big discounts can work though. Citroen became a major player in the UK again by slashing prices for several years.

They offer something different and that appeals to some that would not have a Peugeot say.

& that goes the other way as well.

 

The VW Brands are just too spaver connected these days.  VW prepared to cull the likes of Fabia drivetrains to benefit the Polo as it has been for decades.

Edited 30 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot