OSV general  review.

 

 

GTi version of the ID3.

 

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2024-volkswagen-id3-gtx-hot-hatch-rendered-as-the-golf-gtis-electric-cousin-163751.html

 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/id-3/first-drives/volkswagen-id-3-tour-pro-s-2021-uk-review

 

Will get a chance to later to read the article but one popped up on n my phone about the ID.3 Estate.    Estates really are  what VW and Skoda, Audi and Seat need to get a move on with producing.     EDIT,. Sorry nothing to see here.  It was just the article from 2019 on a VW hope and dream. 

Edited 26 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

Many will treat lease cars badly as just wanting to get charged and driving.

Those that will need to worry will be the next owner. 

Maybe not if they can get what they want for much cheapness as they might end up being at 3 years old with high battery degradation.

 

 

 

 

Fully charged and Autogefuhl have also covered the launch. Looks a bit odd, slightly remodelled ID.3 IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Buyers / owners of Used / Pre-loved / not properly developed cars need be aware.

 

With VW Group you sometimes get things as they should have been at launch if you wait long enough or do not give up on the car and move on.

If they do not sort things it is never their fault it is the Early Adopters.

 

 

 

 

We've just driven an ID3 and I have to say, it's the worst "new" car I think I've ever driven if you want to take it out of the city.
The suspension left us feeling sea sick as it really struggled to controll the weight of the vehicle, particularly when coming to a reasonably abrupt (but not full) stop.
Has the dealer failed to do something/are there options for better suspension or is this a typical setup?

 

SWMBO thought it didn't brake well (She wasn't wrong compared to others), dislike the suspnesion (If I'm honest I didn't believe her until I drove it) and hated the touch screen as she felt it was dangerous. There were too many presses and too much having to look to turn on/off normal features, particularly the I'm going to try and slam you into the debris at the side of the road "lane assist"

Something certainly isn't right with that suspension then, IMO our Tour (so the heaviest ID.3 you can buy and on 19" wheels) rides FAR better than the Leaf and Yeti that it replaced, we also had a T-Cross and Tiguan courtesy car and my dad has a Karoq, they are all MUCH worse and very trashy on anything not totally smooth... that'll be 90% of our roads.

 

The 'Max' is available with DCC as std, but as I haven't driven one of them I can't comment on what they ride like.

 

The 'Lane Assist" is a bit of a joke compared to my Superb, it helps keep you in the lane, but only by wandering down the road like a drunkard, whereas in the Superb you really could let the car drive for you.

 

I too would prefer more physical buttons, but most things can be adjusted through the steering wheel controls or the voice guidance.

 

The brakes don't inspire confidence at first, but they certainly stop you when needed.

Edited 15 November, 20214 yr by Gizmo

@cheezemonkhaidid you check what the tyre pressures were as the car was handed over?

Just now, roottoot said:

@cheezemonkhaidid you check what the tyre pressures were as the car was handed over?

 

No, I will admit we didn't as it was a test drive.

It would have accounted for the general wobblyness of the feel, but I am not sure it would account for what felt like an underdamped/sprung car under breaking.

 

As the ID3 is aimed more at a city car than a motorway cruiser, I can only think (and could be wrong) that the suspension has been left a bit softer to soak up the bad roads for the high weight. However when you get onto a DC and have to brake hard, the car literally rocked forward then back on stopping like a rocking horse.

 

4 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Something certainly isn't right with that suspension then, IMO our Tour (so the heaviest ID.3 you can buy and on 19" wheels) rides FAR better than the Leaf and Yeti that it replaced, we also had a T-Cross and Tiguan courtesy car and my dad has a Karoq, they are all MUCH worse and very trashy on anything not totally smooth... that'll be 90% of our roads.

 

The 'Max' is available with DCC as std, but as I haven't driven one of them I can't comment on what they ride like.

 

The 'Lane Assist" is a bit of a joke compared to my Superb, it helps keep you in the lane, but only by wandering down the road like a drunkard, whereas in the Superb you really could let the car drive for you.

 

I too would prefer more physical buttons, but most things can be adjusted through the steering wheel controls or the voice guidance.

 

The brakes don't inspire confidence at first, but they certainly stop you when needed.

 

Interesting to read that, I might see if I can hunt out a max as that was one of the ones we were considering along with the tour. 
This one wasn't a tour, it was a standard range model.

I imagine it didn't help that we've also had a drive of a few others, including the EV6 before hand.

Comparing an ID3 to an EV6 and iPace isn't really fair.

From the two replied above it does sound like something was not right with the one we drove.

28 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

As the ID3 is aimed more at a city car than a motorway cruiser, I can only think (and could be wrong) that the suspension has been left a bit softer to soak up the bad roads for the high weight. However when you get onto a DC and have to brake hard, the car literally rocked forward then back on stopping like a rocking horse.

Which is just wrong! More so when the places I've usually had to brake hardest are 40mph and 50mph urban roads!

Sadly I'm not kidding when I said i felt sea sick

Different EV's behave very differently when you use Reg braking or not and maybe use the brake pedal more than you might need to if you do use the regen .

 

Some cars stand in their nose nearly if you actually do use the brake pedal sharply or even just a bit hard as you come to a stop.

Ev's can benefit very much from lifting off the accelerator and using coasting and then regen with the paddles or shifter or what ever system or setting there is.

Sometimes in some car the Mode driven in will change greatly town / city driving as in ECO, Normal, Sport etc, and ECO in town might not be the best choice.

33 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Which is just wrong! More so when the places I've usually had to brake hardest are 40mph and 50mph urban roads!

 

Usually A-roads outside of towns that I've had to stop from 55-60 to nothing due to morons. I know what you mean though, canny have a rocking horse for a motor.

42 minutes ago, roottoot said:

Ev's can benefit very much from lifting off the accelerator and using coasting and then regen

See, I'm thinking that the need to do emergency braking is an inverse function of engine and road noise levels, so will happen more in EVs. And, in an emergency is when your muscle memory (developed in IC cars) will take over.

@KenONeill My experience of EV's is that they brakes via the brake pedal work very well at stopping the cars.

 

What must be remembered is something many seem not to.

 

An EV with just a driver & Size for size with an ICE vehicle are around the same weight as if you were driving the ICE sized car with maybe 3 passengers in it.

Then many EV's are on rather crap ECO tyres and if it is a car on Loan / Demonstrator or just as it comes from a Dealership the tyres are possibly overinflated. 

 

So they need driven as many that uses common sense do drive them.      If an Emergency stop is required then you are very likely to get hit up the jacksy from a vehicle behind that might not stop as quickly.  

Then again drivers need to be aware of possibly hopeless tyres that might be fitted and damp surfaces etc.

 

PS

Often people that only drive manuals find driving an Auto or Automated Manual strange or different, maybe even disliking how the brakes are.

That will therefor maybe apply if the manual driver tries an EV, or even someone that drives an Auto tries an EV.

Even with cars the same model or year driving a Diesel Manual or Auto can be different from driving a Petrol Manual or Auto, as can coasting, braking and handling / vehicle weight.

Edited 15 November, 20214 yr by roottoot

I do agree it's an extra half tonne over the golf, but this one had pretty small discs at the front and what looked like (but may not be) drums at the back.

We are comparing against other EV, but we have a couple more to try, so will be able to compare there.

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

My experience of EV's is that they brakes via the brake pedal work very well at stopping the cars.

 

What must be remembered is something many seem not to.

 

An EV with just a driver & Size for size with an ICE vehicle are around the same weight as if you were driving the ICE sized car with maybe 3 passengers in it.

Then many EV's are on rather crap ECO tyres and if it is a car on Loan / Demonstrator or just as it comes from a Dealership the tyres are possibly overinflated. 

 

So they need driven as many that uses common sense do drive them. 

You have realised that I am responding to @cheezemonkhai 's reported account of a test drive? And that you've just claimed that overinflated tyres make the ride softer?

@KenONeill  I posted to you after you used a quote from me.

I claimed nothing of the sort about overinflated tyres making the ride soft.

But make up your own stories as you like.

Edited 15 November, 20214 yr by roottoot

@roottoot So you didn't bother to follow the conversation further back; just saw an apparent criticism of EVs and reacted.

@KenONeill

Just read something that quoted me and replied to it. 

  I have no idea what you mean much of the time with EV's and i think until you drive some neither do you.