1 hour ago, ahenners said:

Shock as a Summer tyre has low grip on snow and ice... Whilst the P7 isn't fantastic, I don't think other summer tyres fare well in similar circumstances either.

 

Do you live somewhere remote where considerable snow/ice exists (for UK) regularly during winter? If so, I'd probably switch for Winter tyres and ask for the P7s to keep for spring/summer. All seasons are a compromise; worse than winters on snow/ice and worse than a summer tyre when dry or wet and above cold temps.

 

This ^   I don't get the P7 rant over ice/snow performance, every UHP summer tire - which is what all manufacturers fit as standard anyway-  will be just as cr4p under these conditions, why do we talk about it as if it's model specific?

Also agree on the second point. A bit of compromise on summer performance from all-seasons is not a big deal especially if you don't plan to be driving over 8/10. On ice or snow though every cm can potentially make a big difference. And it's where most unexpected scenarios would take place anyway.

Investing in a winter set might seem expensive at first but apart from the extra safety you could transfer the set to your next car or sell if you stop needing it so it's not as much of a "luxury" as it might seem. The southest part of Sweden where I'm based typically does not see worse winters than the UK. Maybe a week or two of proper snow, and just 0-5deg for the most part, still winter tires (here) make a lot of sense regardless of legislation.
 

Edited 2 January, 20197 yr by newbie69

11 hours ago, facet edge said:

I think that all seasons are a lot closer than they used to be. Continental got a good score Here

They did -- and as I also pointed out, they aren't available in 235/45 R18, which is why I'm looking at CrossClimate+...

 

I don't live anywhere remote enough to justify a second set of wheels/tyres for a few days per year, but in spite of careful driving (and having driven a lot on snow abroad) came close to crashinh=g last winter on the P7s -- no worse on snow than any other summer tyre, which means crap :-(

One of the strange things, is if you look at Pirelli website and enter Skoda Superb, comes up with 7 summer tyres, 5 winter tyres and one all season

 

However some of these are not in the wheel sizes used in UK

 

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/car/find-your-tyres/fit-on-your-car/skoda/superb

 

Some of the tyre types are shown as new, so must be changing the designs

 

 

I am going down similar lines went to my local tyre fitter looking at putting on continental allseasoncontact but he recommended not to as the speed rating was out as well as tyre size, said this could pose a problem in the case of an accident with insurance company. Spoke to continental as well who also gave same advice. Now looking at michelin cross plus on rear and Goodyear vector 4 on front to try both.

Different tyres other than those specified or approved by the manufacturer will equal different fuel consumption and emissions and I assume this will limit what the dealer will be able to supply on a new car. I also strongly suspect that the tyres used by manufacturers are the ones that give the best emissions and fuel consumption and new vehicles would legally have to be supplied with these at point of sale to meet the claimed performance. Rich 

12 minutes ago, Rich2 said:

Different tyres other than those specified or approved by the manufacturer will equal different fuel consumption and emissions and I assume this will limit what the dealer will be able to supply on a new car. I also strongly suspect that the tyres used by manufacturers are the ones that give the best emissions and fuel consumption and new vehicles would legally have to be supplied with these at point of sale to meet the claimed performance. Rich 

The manufacturers supply whatever tyres are the specified size and rating and they can get the best deal on -- Pirelli, Michelin, Continental, they don't care, and there is no legal difference -- if the spec says 235/45 R 18 ZR 94 (or whatever) that's what you get. There's no significant difference in fuel consumption that means they'd have to choose any particular brand.

I take your point, Rich 

11 hours ago, Rich2 said:

Different tyres other than those specified or approved by the manufacturer will equal different fuel consumption and emissions and I assume this will limit what the dealer will be able to supply on a new car. I also strongly suspect that the tyres used by manufacturers are the ones that give the best emissions and fuel consumption and new vehicles would legally have to be supplied with these at point of sale to meet the claimed performance. Rich 

There appears to be some truth in what you say, Rich.

My current car (Jaguar XF Sportbrake) had the original tyres changed by Jaguar under warranty because they did not meet the quoted fuel consumption figures. This action was carried out on all similar spec cars built during a certain period.

On 02/01/2019 at 13:27, Q102 said:

If my Superb were mine- and not a lease vehicle- I would quite happily fit Michelin cross climate tyres for UK weather.

The only reason I fit winter tyres is I drive to Austria for skiing each year and have to legally have a full winter tyre.

P7 tyres are IMHO dangerous in the wet

In fact I think you will find the Michelin’s are legal:

 

https://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/learn-share/buying-guide/ever-heard-about-winter-tyre-regulations