Hi all. 

Hoping that someone on here might be able to lend a hand work some options.

I have a 60 plate Fabia vRS 89k with full service history (although not work Skoda dealerships). Car felt a bit clunky when changing gears yesterday but nothing huge. Went out in it today and the gear number / indicator started to flash. So I pulled over, went to depart again and now I have no gears engaged and engine management light is on (no codes shows via my obd).

Cant engage reverse or drive (manual / auto or sport) 

I was reading about dsg issues on here and I have had the 34f7 change. 

I'm worried that the cost of what I think is wrong will be more than the car is worth. 

 

Tia

 

J

Welcome.

Sadly it might prove expensive if the Mechatronic Control Unit, or just the Clutch Packs.

You need the diagnosis carried out by someone with all the gear and more than just an idea.

 

When was the service campaign '34F7' done and by who?

No servicing required with the DSG so the last people that touched it will have been a main dealer and on behalf of Skoda who called the Service Campaign / recall action rather than a Recall and an extended warranty as with the World Wide Recall.

Talk to Skoda UK about that maybe.

http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444617-7sp-dq200-dsg-failure

@Sittingbull and others with a late CAVE / DSG from 2012 never had '34F7' carried out, 

but since Skoda did with your car be sure they do not dismiss it as a 60 plate car, 

the Service Campaign was after the cars Warranty had expired with them starting it just in 2014 in the UK.

They are the ones that know about known issues.

 

The pinned thread is at the top of the page.

 

Edited 23 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Thanks for the reply. I've looked through the paperwork I have and in the service book and there's nothing about the 34f7 in there and I've had the car since 2015 so would have been prior to that. 

With regards to the 34f7 I'm pretty confused about the whole thing (tried to read up on it on here) but what it would mean for me now in terms of repair if I have had the work done?

I've got the local Skoda garage giving me a ring on Monday morning as the garage part was shut when I rang. 

There was a world wide recall 2012/13, excluding Europe.

RoW VW extended warranties, in New Zealand the DQ200's got new MCU's and Mineral Oil & a Software Update.

 

In Europe just the Mineral oil instead of Synthetic, software update and no Extended Warranty.

But as it is they washed their hands of the issue, you have to remind them, they had to do this because VW -Skoda co-cked up.

 

Maybe you fight a losing battle though and just need a good Transmission Specialist to do what is needed, just do not use someone without a clue.

 

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Where are you, someone can maybe recommend a good Transmission Specialist with DQ200 experience.

Sadly that is often not a Skoda Main Dealership,  but then there are ones with Techs that have the training, and the experience, and the gear needed.

Edited 23 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

I'm based in Cardiff, I went to the garage I've been using for ages (good reliable guys) and they said they wouldn't be able to touch it as it was dsg. Couldn't find anyone else who specialises in that so I contacted the main dealership. 

I was under the assumption that the car had done 90k and the clutch had worn out. You're saying that it could possibly be this known issue that has happened? Sorry still trying to understand all this. 

 

 

On 23/03/2019 at 15:21, R28N said:

I'm based in Cardiff, I went to the garage I've been using for ages (good reliable guys) and they said they wouldn't be able to touch it as it was dsg. Couldn't find anyone else who specialises in that so I contacted the main dealership. 

I was under the assumption that the car had done 90k and the clutch had worn out. You're saying that it could possibly be this known issue that has happened? Sorry still trying to understand all this. 

 

 

 

Hiya,

 

Sorry to learn of your troubles. I am most likely going to come across as the bearer of all bad news, and I apologise in advance.

 

In terms of "known issue", it is one thing owners on here commenting on it regularly and describing it as a "known issue", it is quite another entirely getting Skoda or any part of the VW Group to acknowledge this however. When asked, their normal response is "oh, haven't heard of that happening before". Some dealerships are a bit different, and because they have done work on this problem in the past will not try to play games when admitting whether they know owt about it or not.

 

But. that may not help you in any way other than understanding what you are up against. Skoda and VW are terrible in terms of Customer Service or making things right for you, so try not to hold high expectations as to any help forthcoming from them.

 

As to the technical issue itself, and whether or not yours has had the service action or not, your issue with the loss of selection of gears and the flashing white spanner in the PRNDS area of the multi function display appears to have come on very abruptly.

 

On our car, and many many others, the flashing white spanner is advising that there is a serious transmission failure, usually to advise that there has been a loss of pressure within the mechatronic unit due to an internal fluid leak, meaning the required pressure of upwards of 40bar is practically nil, meaning that the electronic part of the box cannot effect the required gear change as it cannot operate the clutches.

 

I'm sorry to say that the cost of replacement for the mechatronic unit alone is £1185 plus vat plus fitting, and this usually needs to be done by someone with more than an idea about gearboxes. The new unit arrives from factory partially coded to your vehicle but then needs basic settings installed, then test driven before being put back on the computer for some final tweaks prior to handover.

 

If you're particularly unlucky, and we were, you may also need new clutch packs. These come in at £549 plus vat plus fitting.

 

All in all, the figure for ours to get put back on the road was £3200. We were long since out of warranty unfortunately.

 

Our bill was reduced to £2800 thanks to intervention from Skoda UK, but that only came about after the car had been off the road for 9 weeks, 3 misdiagnosis by the dealer and an awful lot of stress.

 

It is possible for independent gearbox specialists to carry out the replacement/ repair, perhaps other owners closer to you could recommend someone nearby or relatively close so that you could maybe cut the cost down, if you are not covered by any warranty that is. Many indies will shy away from it as it isn't quite as straightforward as a normal manual gearbox but there are still plenty out there who will be able to help.

 

I wish you well in getting to the bottom of it. Take comfort that for some owners it has merely been a seal needing replaced within the unit, for one or two others it was a fuse believe it or not, but unfortunately for the majority this has happened to it has been the mechatronic unit that has failed due to the internal pump itself failing.

 

Sorry to make it seem so negative.

This company are in Bristol & specialise in DSG repairs.

http://www.milta.co/

 

I havn't used them & have no connection with them, but they appear to know what they are doing & seem about the closest to your location & will collect the vehicle.

I've got no spanner so hopefully this means it's not maximum damage. 

 

10 minutes ago, PipH said:

This company are in Bristol & specialise in DSG repairs.

http://www.milta.co/

 

I havn't used them & have no connection with them, but they appear to know what they are doing & seem about the closest to your location & will collect the vehicle.

 

I've found them too. Thanks. 

I would not expect the 'Flashing spanner' with your DQ200 car.   That is for those late 2012 that supposedly had Synthetic Oil from the Factory and 

did not require '34F7' for those 2009-2012 DQ200 or '34H5' for those 2013-2015.

So just the flashing gear Numbers.

The flashing Gear Cogs are overheating. 

 

Hopefully you can get someone with all the gear and more than just an idea and know what is what to diagnose and repair your DSG, and it is a simple repair.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/443026-vrs-dsg-problem

 

Edited 26 March, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Post from a thread in the Yeti Section.

Flashing gear selector is never good sign, Very much sounds like the mech unit is on its way out.

 

 

 

 

There is a problem. 

 

Mid to Late 2012 DQ200 DSG's like @Sittingbull has and others. More and more of these are failing.

They supposedly had Mineral Oil from the factory and did not require '34F7' so the change to Mineral oil & the Software Update, 

and did not require '34H5' the Software Update some required from 2013-2015.

 

Dealerships / Techs giving the wrong information on the 'flashing white spanner' warning is a problem. 

Edited 8 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

2 hours ago, Skoffski said:

There is a problem. 

 

Mid to Late 2012 DQ200 DSG's like @Sittingbull has and others. More and more of these are failing.

They supposedly had Mineral Oil from the factory and did not require '34F7' so the change to Mineral oil & the Software Update, 

and did not require '34H5' the Software Update some required from 2013-2015.

 

Dealerships / Techs giving the wrong information on the 'flashing white spanner' warning is a problem. 

 

Flashing spanner is a weekly occurrence on the Mk2 Fabia vrs facebook page, It  infuriates me the amount of money people are forking out a fortune to fix these. I'm honestly in the situation where if mine goes I'll have no option but to attempt to rebuild/refit the mech unit myself or with help from a local mechanic.

Good if you can do that.  

 

Maybe best do the oil change before it comes to any 'flashing spanner' or actual failures.

 

Mk3 Fabia DQ200 oil change. (they have their own issues...)

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-the-story-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/?page=11

 

 

A common issue on facebook as @Sittingbull tells me as i never venture there,

as people have been punting the limited number of cars and person after person ends up with them, 

some that have been messed about with by people with some of the gear and not access to the gear needed for the software updates.

Edited 8 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Just now, Skoffski said:

Good if you can do that.  

 

Common issue on facebook as @Sittingbull tells me as i never venture there,

as people have been punting the limited number of cars and person after person ends up with them, 

some that have been messed about with by people with some of the gear and not access to the gear needed for the software updates.

Been following a few posts and i'll not lie its a **** of a job, but hopefully I've got enough detailed online to get it done, Terrified to be honest. There's Mk2's for sale on facebook marketplace for under £3k !High mileage though.......Which is even more suprising lol.

 

The Facebook page is great to be honest as its dedicated to the Vrs, quick reply's and provides a few different views, You should pop in.

Plenty from there have asked me for advice and then totally ignored it, i gave up helping any in the end.

I get peed off that those that offload them to WBAC / Evans Halshaw to do the rounds.

22 hours ago, Skoffski said:

Plenty from there have asked me for advice and then totally ignored it, i gave up helping any in the end.

I get peed off that those that offload them to WBAC / Evans Halshaw to do the rounds.

 

The joys man, I only recently got proof after nearly 2 years that mine was replaced with a CTHE so I'm a bit happier but still terrified that the mech goes at some point.There's a boy on the other page just now doing a full rebuild including dq200 and clutch on his CAVE engine, Been a very knowledgeable read so far.

 

 

Edited 9 May, 20197 yr by Mickmartin

On 08/05/2019 at 14:11, Mickmartin said:

 

Flashing spanner is a weekly occurrence on the Mk2 Fabia vrs facebook page, It  infuriates me the amount of money people are forking out a fortune to fix these. I'm honestly in the situation where if mine goes I'll have no option but to attempt to rebuild/refit the mech unit myself or with help from a local mechanic.

 

Not only the flashing white spanner Michael, but also increasingly the posts are about loss of compression and misfires, presumably some have been flung around the system without problem being addressed, then the new owner comes on with the same questions as hundreds of others now. It's not their fault and like you I attempt to provide guidance, and to those thinking of buying one. I like the mk2 vrs page, some real characters and good knowledge on there. Offski doesn't do facebook and I can understand why, it would frustrate the living daylights out of him.

On 08/05/2019 at 14:33, Skoffski said:

Plenty from there have asked me for advice and then totally ignored it, i gave up helping any in the end.

I get peed off that those that offload them to WBAC / Evans Halshaw to do the rounds.

 

Offski we both know of at least one local to me that was fired into Evans Halshaw when the young lad got lack of compression problem, traded in for 3k and then sold on with the usual Evans Halshaw warranty for the new owner to join battle with.

Don't know what a dealer would charge, but I think it would be worth while changing the oil on these every 2 years regardless of mileage and oil type.

 

WIll certainly look at doing mine in the not to distant future.

If a Mani Dealership is prepared to change the Oil for you in a DQ200 DSG they might charge the same as for the DSG with Oil changes due @ 40,000 miles,

so £189.

But then some say the DQ200 is due a Oil change and some on a Service Desk refuse to book in a car or say sealed for life and it can not be done.

It obviously can be done. 

In the MK3 section 'Clutch Slip' thread there is a member that did his DQ200 DSG recently.

 

If anyone has a DQ200 DSG that had service Campaign '34F7' maybe they should ask Skoda to pay for the Oil change since they were the ones that sold the cars with no Service Schedules then did Oil Changes from Synthetic to Mineral.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/466689-sceptical-sealed-for-life-dsg-gearbox

 

 

Edited 12 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

£189......not bad in the grand scheme of things...its whether you trust them to "actually" do it.

 

Firm believer that there is no such thing as "filled for life"............on anything !!

 

What it really means is, once the oil has reached it's servicable life (which it will) , the box packs up.

The issue which VW Group are not talking about. 

 

Elephant in the room is.

DQ200 DSG from 2009-2012/13 that left the factory with Synthetic oil might / should now have Mineral oil in, from 2012 or from 2014 on in Europe after the service campaign.

So the oldest boxes are 10 years old and in the UK Mineral oil might be in for 5 years now.

 

Then some pre 2013 had Mineral Oil, and from 2012 after the World Wide Recall on should have Mineral oil from the factory, so now 6 years on or more.

 

Time that VW Group maybe changed 'Advice' on the Mineral OIl, is it needing new guidance / recommendations/ service schedules or are they sticking with 

'leave alone'  nothing to see here, just chance to luck.

You also have to be specific That you want both oils changed in the box as the DQ200 uses 1.7 litres of  G 052171 oil and also uses a separate 1litre of  G004 000  central hydraulic/power steering box oil for the mech unit.

 

These boxes are fully serviceable, I also don’t buy into the myth that the oil can’t/shouldn’t be changed.

 

 

Edited 12 May, 20197 yr by Mickmartin