going for NOS instead. :evil:

Well, that's actually vaporised LPG injection. After weighing up the pro's and con's of each possible way to mod the car, I decided that LPG was the way forward, even though it will add a lot of weight to the car....

Been talking to an LPG installer in Exeter this afternoon who said that LPG will basically burn all that soot that comes out my exhaust IN the engine.... :eek:

So, for an easy amount of power, it seems this is the logical way forward, so for now I'll be remaining on stock injectors and seeing what Mr Powershot 2000 will make of it.

Should be installed and running, with luck by early May.

Mr Glider? Aren't you running it? WW vrs? You too?

Didn't Mike have LPG in his beezer before his accident? He'd probably be worth having a chat to

Didn't Mike have LPG in his beezer before his accident? He'd probably be worth having a chat to

Oh, he's played a large part in this already. Going to pick up my driveshaft from him with my "LPG nutty" mate, he spots the powershot vaporiser in the garage while I root out the driveshaft. Cue much chatter about it. He's going to be fitting it in his Audi I'm pretty sure.

Its the soot thing too - As soon as LPG matey today told me it will burn ALL the fuel in the engine now, my eyes lit up. More power and cleaner emissions. Might still need setting up on jabba's rollers though - not 100% sure yet.

interesting to see how this turns out, you'll have to do another "sooty" vid after...

But whats the point if youve still got stock injectors? :confused:

the point col is that all that black **** coming out of the exhaust is unburnt fuel, if you manage to burn that aswell then its like putting more fuel in but with way less smoke and much greater efficiency.

in theory J could increase his power by making the most of the fuel going into his engine rather than spewing a load out the back and actually no affect his MPG other than the fact that he will be burning lpg aswell as diesel.

the point col is that all that black **** coming out of the exhaust is unburnt fuel' date=' if you manage to burn that aswell then its like putting more fuel in but with way less smoke and much greater efficiency.

in theory J could increase his power by making the most of the fuel going into his engine rather than spewing a load out the back and actually no affect his MPG other than the fact that he will be burning lpg aswell as diesel.[/quote']

Spot on!

With race injectors, I do wonder if LPG could get me even more power, but with the amount of smoke I chuck out, if I could turn all that into engine power/efficiency rather than a smog cloud, it's got to be all good. Also LPG should mean greater mpg, and eventually I may even get the cost of the tank/kit back. (as long as there is sufficient increase in mpg which offsets use of the half price LPG)

I like the fact its not electronic too - It all works off a T-piece in my boost guage pipework. it starts kicking in LPG at 5psi, and then regulates LPG as boost increases. I wonder what it will be like at 30PSI? :eek:

the point col is that all that black **** coming out of the exhaust is unburnt fuel' date=' if you manage to burn that aswell then its like putting more fuel in but with way less smoke and much greater efficiency.

in theory J could increase his power by making the most of the fuel going into his engine rather than spewing a load out the back and actually no affect his MPG other than the fact that he will be burning lpg aswell as diesel.[/quote']

Yes i know that young bengie...

but surely lpg is one of those things that has little return for the financial outlay.

not to mention if its not done properly the engine will go bang, and Jabba dont have the technology to be able to control it. 2 different maps needed.. with/without it.. and lots of other technical aspects i cant be arrrsed to mention

What about any long term damage due to more heat in the compression cycle? Will it have any effect on engine components?

edit. Just read their is no increase in temp in a diesel but infact oil temps are reduced and also reduces engine wear.

So whats the price difference then Jason between bigger injectors/another remap compared to lpg? Wont you get more power from bigger injectors/increased boost......and then add lpg

Jase - do yo realise how heavy a decent sized LPG cylinder will be ? Given you were happy at removing the bonnet soun dproofing as it saved you 200g will it be worth it ?

Jason,

So it's going to be a hybrid...not sure about this....especially as it should be possible to clean it up using 'other' methods....diesel do....ummmm

John

1.8T or 2.0TFSi conversion would reduce the smoke.

1.8T or 2.0TFSi conversion would reduce the smoke.

What another conversion. Can see another poll

2 different maps needed.. with/without it..

If your talking about when using lpg and when not. You dont need to. It would just go back to smoke machine. But if he did get somthing altered in the engine then I would think he would need both to be re-setup.

No, it would reduce the smoke you can see !!!

John

If the lpg injection rate is purely linked to boost pressure, I can't see any need for 2 maps. Of course it will need to be mapped, but no need to switch between lpg & non lpg maps surely?

What power increases can be expected Jase, and what's the outlay if you don't mind me asking?

but no need to switch between lpg & non lpg maps surely?

Not from what I've been told.

With regards LPG - nope I haven't got it fitted to mine, ditto for NOS and bigger injectors.

Based on the amount of smoke coming out of yours though I must admit LPG would seem like a better idea rather than chucking yet more fuel in. That said race injectors may give a better fuelling pattern which in itself could help with the smog factor

Weight-wise LPG will definitely offset the minute weight saving of the soundproofing removal - will be interesting to see what the end result is though

yeah - the weight factor is one that troubled me slightly with an LPG install. Its a BIG tank, it will be even heavier with gas in.... But for a clean efficient burn, it will be worth it. In theory I should be able to recoup the outlay in a couple of years with the amount of miles I do. Outlay initially is £250 for a US imported brand new powershot system. I need then to go to the LPG local installer and get priced up on installing it, which will be labour and the cost of a tank. Hoping that won't be much more than £250/£300. So for £600 outlay (hopefully at most) I should get better mpg and probably an extra 20bhp+, assuming thats what my smog cloud will give me, when burning in the engine. Powershot quote 25% increase but I think 275bhp is unfeasible.

Race injectors might give me a better fuelling pattern. Not thought about it like that. The funniest thing for me will be the legal need to display a warning triangle on the car, saying I carry compressed gas in the boot.

going for NOS instead. :evil:

Well' date=' that's actually vaporised LPG injection. After weighing up the pro's and con's of each possible way to mod the car, I decided that LPG was the way forward, even though it will add a lot of weight to the car....

Been talking to an LPG installer in Exeter this afternoon who said that LPG will basically burn all that soot that comes out my exhaust IN the engine.... :eek:

So, for an easy amount of power, it seems this is the logical way forward, so for now I'll be remaining on stock injectors and seeing what Mr Powershot 2000 will make of it.

Should be installed and running, with luck by early May.

Mr Glider? Aren't you running it? WW vrs? You too?[/quote']

Input goes after the MAF - check with devonmikeboy - therefore no ECU change, but it would be a good idea to have a exhust temp sensor:thumbup:

Input goes after the MAF - check with devonmikeboy - therefore no ECU change, but it would be a good idea to have a exhust temp sensor:thumbup:

Now how would you know about this? You almost sound like you have one of these kits in your possession (for now). :P

What the advantage for someone who just has a remap then? are the gains still around 20 bhp? sounds a lot for £600 but if it will reduce fuel bills it might be more cost effective than a hybrid turbo.

@ Jason, what happens when the tank runs out of LPG, will it just suddenly slow down again and smoke until the tank is replenished, what happens if you run out of diesel and it's just firing LPG into the engine?

When it runs out of LPG I should think it will revert to how it is now. Hopefully there'll be a guage on the dash that will tell me. Don't fancy having to lift the boot floor every time I wish to see how full the tank is. Also, there's supposed to be a bit of a "turbo boost" dial for inside too, but convinced thats an optional extra I would have to get in....

I see why your doing it mate, but uprated injectors would be "always on", and you'd probably achieve a similar mpg. Have you tried the EGR valve trick, it has reduced the smoke on mine no end.