Oh and all bikers are leather wearing sausage jockeys.

HTH

Maybe I should just put the biking gear for sale on Ebay and plough the cash saved for a bike into a Caterham or something.

Bikers am I silly wanting to continue...

Do something really silly, but a bike engined kit car!

Oh and if you, like me, are slightly fuller figured, I recommend the Westfield Megbusa

Do something really silly, buy a bike engined kit car!

Oh and if you, like me, are slightly fuller figured, I recommend the Westfield Megbusa

Oh and if you' date=' like me, are slightly fuller figured, I recommend the Westfield Megbusa [/quote']

Sadly - yes:thumbdwn:

But still not convinced

S owhat you're saying Jon, is that you're to fat to ride anything other than a Harley ?

S owhat you're saying Jon, is that you're to fat to ride anything other than a Harley ?

Harley - NEVER.....

Modern bikes are so wide anyway - that's why a colleague who is wider than me gets away with it (Mind he has a BMW K1200R)

OK OK still not convinced on the Kit Car - Yet

Sadly - yes:thumbdwn:

But still not convinced

It's ok, you could still wear your leather gimp suit

Seriously, if you are near Bury St Edmunds go to Terry Nightingale cars (IIRC that's where they are) and take a kit car out. It will make you grin! Or if you can get to Dudley, go to the Westie factory and try one of their factory built cars. You get to play for a couple of hours. Only trouble is, your jaw hurts from grinning!

I tried a totally stupid kit car - twin bike engined, both turboed! Was damned fast, then he hit the NoS and it went ballistic. Running about 1400bhp/tonne, with your head level with truck wheel nuts is kinda exciting

It always makes me laugh when you hear bikers saying that they are better than drivers because they have to be 'more aware' or 'anticipate things' etc, quite frankly it's bo**ocks, we're all as bad as each other.

My opinion is that if your on the road, and you chose to be a higher risk (by riding a bike or whatever) than the norm, then you've got to be looking out for yourself, dont expect car drivers to give you extra leeway and 'think bike' etc, your on your own. if your overtaking a cue of traffic on a bike, (which your not allowed to do as the same laws apply to overtaking on bikes as in cars) and someone opens there door, it's tough luck i'm afraid, you shouldn't have been there.

I personaly dont like bikes, never have, dont know why, but I will respect other peoples choices so long as they dont always try and blame other people when they come a croper, and that seems to me to be the attitude of most bikers.

Also the whole multi-coloured power rangers leathers thing is a totally gay, the only people who look 'cool' on bikes are the americans, on Harleys, in torn jeans & T-shirt, no helmets, wind rushing through the hair! of course that is virtual suicide though.

It always makes me laugh when you hear bikers saying that they are better than drivers because they have to be 'more aware' or 'anticipate things' etc' date=' quite frankly it's bo**ocks, we're all as bad as each other.

My opinion is that if your on the road, and you chose to be a higher risk (by riding a bike or whatever) than the norm, then you've got to be looking out for yourself, dont expect car drivers to give you extra leeway and 'think bike' etc, your on your own. if your overtaking a cue of traffic on a bike, (which your not allowed to do as the same laws apply to overtaking on bikes as in cars) and someone opens there door, it's tough luck i'm afraid, you shouldn't have been there.

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Agreed mostly. Wouldn't say bikers are that much more aware on the whole - hance the high injury/mortality rate. But if they are - good

As for the opening of the door - yes anticipation is needed but there certainly the person opening the door isn't innocent. Same goes if they open doors on bicycles, pedestrians/other cars.

As for overtaking - I'm still new to this lark. Personally it annoys me the way some bikers overtake. But maybe there's a reason.

I personaly dont like bikes, never have, dont know why, but I will respect other peoples choices so long as they dont always try and blame other people when they come a croper, and that seems to me to be the attitude of most bikers.

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Many maybe but not all. But same aplies to some car drivers. I don't fall under the camp of those who think all drivers should ride a bike. What I do believe is all drivers should undergo a refresher course after 2 years on the road (same should be for bikers) as this would teach anticipation skills which in turn would reduce accidents.

Also the whole multi-coloured power rangers leathers thing is a totally gay, the only people who look 'cool' on bikes are the americans, on Harleys, in torn jeans & T-shirt, no helmets, wind rushing through the hair! of course that is virtual suicide though.

Yup but you don't have to look like that - Textile clothing doesn't all look like that - keeps water out better. It also offers similar protection.

As for the torn jeans look - as you said suicide.

I am not anti-Car - far from it. And yes some bkers are a nieusence. But not all are the same - as is the case for car drivers.

One point to consider is, without the assistance of bikers, and rain, the NHS would grind to a halt. There would be a severe shortage of organs for one thing, and a severe shortage of patients too.

Bikers - keeping doctors and nurses in work, and keeping the needy in fresh organs

Oh, and killing cows too, to make "gimp" suits for them

have the car for work and the wife, and the bike for FUN. much better than any souped up car!

besides the wife cant nag you when you are going to fast!

Yes but none of that is real world performance!! And quite frankly in reall world terms there ain't a lot in it!

Wether there is 'ain't a lot in it' doesn't matter. From a famous quote, "it doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning" and that's what 4 wheels do EVERY time against 2.

(unless you're talking about the idiots who dodge the traffic queues in thier bikes)

Usually goes something like this:

"My bike is faster than your car"

"Ok. I bet you your lavendar-scented leather trousers that I can move three friends and a couple of suitcases to York faster than you can."

"Humph"

"Yes, duck off."

My friend has a bike, a ThunderAce (1000cc for people whom motorbikes bore) and it's pretty cool. Been on the back at 15mph-over-double-the-speed-limit and its definitely a rush. But he doesnt compare them to cars. And when it's raining/snowing/icy/hailling, he uses his car.

S owhat you're saying Jon, is that you're to fat to ride anything other than a Harley ?

s/Harley/Lorry

I cant remember where I heard it, or wether it was a joke or some kind of story with moral to it, but it's pretty true anyway -

The story is basically someone in hospital who is desparate for an organ transplant, but they are having difficulty obtaining one, the doctor approaches the patient and says 'not to worry though - it's just started raining, a donor will be in soon.'

(my ex was a nurse, and the doctors always described motorcyclists as a 'Donors' too!)

I have lost count of the times this has been discussed on car and bike forums I have been a member of.

The things with bikes is you either "get it", as in what they are all about, or you don't.

I bet some people on here get the same because they own, or love or are in lust with a skoda, which however you look at it is a VAG parts bin special, other people don't "get it" but you do.

Non bikers will never be convinced, bike hater's will never be turned and baiting threads will continue as long as these types of forums exist.

Life's all about personal choices, I love bikes and it's my choice to ride, I don't ask or want any favours from any other road user's, but people going out of their way to be awkward or dangerous are just a pain in the ***.

If you want to filter, get to work quicker, enjoy toying with the laws of physics, then get a bike.

If you don't want to get wet, if you want to be stuck in traffic, if you want the comforts of air con etc, then stay in the car, just don't take your frustrations out on other road users, no matter how many wheels on their wagon.

Now hug and play nice!

I think the thing that pi**es most car drivers off about bikers is that they all seem to expect to be able to jump que's etc and get to the front at traffic lights and stuff, when they actually have no right to overtake the stationary traffic at all. you are meant to stay in your place in the que the same as us in cars are.

As I said i'm not into bikes, I can understand why people are, but personally i'm not, My family depend on me, and I have too much respect and care for my family to put myself in that much danger. No biker no matter how good they think they are will disagree that they are inherantly unsafer on the roads.

If a biker comes up behind me on a nice fast open road with no oncoming traffic, then i'll move slightly to the left to enable them better vision to overtake - no problem and usually gets a cheery thumbs up from said biker, hell I might even give chase for a bit if i'm feeling fruity, so i'm not a complete bike philistine!!

I think the thing that pi**es most car drivers off about bikers is that they all seem to expect to be able to jump que's etc and get to the front at traffic lights and stuff, when they actually have no right to overtake the stationary traffic at all. you are meant to stay in your place in the que the same as us in cars are.

But overtaking *is* perfectly legal , as is filtering to the front of a queue. Feel free to point to the relevent legislation to show otherwise.

I really don't understand why bikes doing this shold annoy you.

I'll filter to the front of a queue and as soon as the lights change I'm gone before the cars have started moving. Nobody is inconvenienced at all and it's not at all like trying to push in at the supermarket

No contest whatsoever, a decent bike especially

More to the point, I think it should be mandatory that everyone who passes a car test should be forced to ride a bike for at least a month to enable them to appreciate the other sides point of view.

I don't want to die thankyou, anyhow this pipedream is just never going to happen. :thumbdwn:

Be happy riding your bike but as I stated in the very first post, motorbikes ain't for me.

About the only thing that can out perform it in a straight line would be a Formula One car due to the power to weight ratio

Erm... so in other words cars really are quicker than bikes. Oh, by the way, there's TONS of road cars that will wipe the floor with ANY motor bike. It's about time that all you guys who love your bikes really must face the fact that in a race on a track (where it should be) again, the bike will lose. Not on the public highway where it becomes dangerous.

A big sports bike can have an output of 200 bhp !! Unbelievable !!

That is hardly a comparison when they 'race' road cars with even 400 bhp. The power to weight ratio is considerably in favour of the bike.

Now on the race track against similar opposition the bike will come second because in the 'real' world (as some of you put it) the world has CORNERS not just straights.

There is only so much power that a bike can put down without flipping over and they cannot corner either due to the small patch of grip and the fact that 4 wheels are better than two.

Short of greatly lengthening the wheelbase of the bike and adding 2 more wheels, cars will always be ahead. Just get over it, no big deal.

And that's exactly what it is. Cars are faster in the real world than ANY bike, in ANY category. they're safer as well and there's much more things to do in a car.

I disagree! too match a 1000cc sports bike in a car you would have to spent at least five times as much money to acheive the same level of performance.

Take the car in your Avatar for example I bet it cost tens of thousands but a standard Suzuki Hayabusa, CBR900, R1 et al, would leave it for dead.

Yes on today's roads the car is the safer place to be, that's a given, but your comment about there being more to do in a car totally misses the point of the bike, ie total commitment, 100% concentration at all times (if you want to stay alive) because a mistake will be punished severly.

A car is a lazy way to travel (and I don't say that lightly because I love cars.) you can get away with being in auto pilot mode (who can deny that, especially when sitting in the morning commute's traffic). That is just not possible on a bike, it is a total driving experience, the road surface, weather conditions, the various smells every little piece of data that you input in the car is blunted by comparison to the experience on a bike. As I said I love cars but I also love bikes, in the summer there is no better place to be, man and machine, no distractions (radio, screaming kids, nagging wife:D ) fresh air. Life!

Ok rant over, sorry:D.

I suppose different opinions are what makes life interesting! whatever floats your boat as they say.

Take the car in your Avatar for example I bet it cost tens of thousands but a standard Suzuki Hayabusa' date=' CBR900, R1 et al, would leave it for dead.

[/quote']Nope, lt cost more than that. It produced 700bhp, did 0 - 62mph in 2.5 seconds and could be geared to 190mph. It can go from 0 - 120mph in 7 seconds and brake from 160mh to zero in 5 seconds.

Now then, leave it for dead ? Dream on. Do some research before making silly claims.

By the way, the R1 was 'left for dead' in a recent Top Gear race on a track by.... wait for it..... a Porsche 911 Carrera 4.

Nope' date=' lt cost more than that. It produced 700bhp, did 0 - 62mph in 2.5 seconds and could be geared to 190mph. It can go from 0 - 120mph in 7 seconds and brake from 160mh to zero in 5 seconds.

Now then, leave it for dead ? Dream on. Do some research before making silly claims.

By the way, the R1 was 'left for dead' in a recent Top Gear race on a track by.... wait for it..... a Porsche 911 Carrera 4. [/quote']

Thats ancient, it was Nial Mac riding it, was not given a warm up lap so was on cold tyres etc etc, funny you should mention that because he was writing about the same "recent" (6 years or so) ago race in TWO magazine. He backed off a couple of times because the tyres where about to let go.

a standard 999ducati beat a lamborghini round anglsey in fith gear etc etc etc

whats up Jonny boy, overtaken by a ikkle wowd moteybike as a baby and bearing a grudge forever?

whats up Jonny boy, overtaken by a ikkle wowd moteybike as a baby and bearing a grudge forever?

:rofl: Not at all. I'm a firm believer that racing should be confined to the track. Therefore my argument about cars bieng quicker holds up. I think that too many bikers are used to racing inferior cars on the public highway that they have this 'air of invincibility' about them. Wrong. When a Racing bike beats a Racing car around a racing track (and they wont) I'll think 'hmmm, bikes really are quicker than cars'