Just a quick query about DSG on this model. Looking at the 1.5 model and wanted to know if they come with the flappy paddles

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Yes, they do...

 

8 hours ago, glenn_btn said:

Just a quick query about DSG on this model. Looking at the 1.5 model and wanted to know if they come with the flappy paddles

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

You'll hardly, if ever, use it. 

 

Only time I do is if I on the very rare occasion want to downshift when going downhill if I don't think it's downshifted enough to engine brake downhill. 99/100 it does perfectly itself. Other than that in a family wagon its a bit pointless, however in my GTI and 335d they make a lot more sense (even then never use them that much as the ZF box or DSG probably more efficient in maximising the engine power than me, just gives a nice little fun element to it). 😉

Edited 21 December, 20196 yr by Briggo

On 20/12/2019 at 22:57, glenn_btn said:

Just a quick query about DSG on this model. Looking at the 1.5 model and wanted to know if they come with the flappy paddles

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Specs say the should on all models, however mine supplied back in October didn't have them installed. Mine is the 1.5 petrol 2wd Sportline variant. Model in dealers was exactly the same despite it clearly being supposed to. Dealers are still in discussion with Skoda Head Office

Defo flappy paddles on latest model 1.5 Edition.

 

Never driven a car with paddles before. I guess how useful they are is up for question but why anyone would use the gearlever for manual changes when you have paddles, now that baffles me.

Maybe because they are from a different generation from the Playstation 3 ones.

 

I like to use the shifter, back to 'S' to decelerate on ice / snow or great driving roads. shifter across to manual and back for down shifts and back to 'D' for up shifts, 

and just generally gear shifting. 

Quicker than the paddles, you know the gear change is done if the DSG lets it, and its dead simple.

With a Heads up Display showing gears sometimes i use paddles and in a diesel i have on occasion, but generally i am used to driving one hand on the steering wheel and one on a gear shifter when driving a DSG.

In normal auto's, one hand on the steering, one arm on the arm rest, and Over Drive button on or off, or gear change with tiptronic even if there are paddles.

 

The Subaru BRZ and MINI Cooper S Auto's have had the best paddles i have tried.

I don't understand any of that.

 

Different generation? When that generation uses manual mode do they pull down to go in to 2nd, then up to go into 3rd then down again for 4th etc?  Don't understand what generation has to do with it. Quicker than paddles? How can it be quicker than paddles when both systems are controlled via fly-by-wire? As for driving one hand on steering wheel one on gearlever...  begs the question why anyone who does this whou'd chose an auto over the manual.  Heads up display - was that on the Karoq option list?

Edited 24 December, 20196 yr by Guest

@Scot5  Head for thinking and feet for dancing.  Think on!

 

In your 5th decade of driving automatics or even manuals using the gear stick comes naturally in an automated manual and paddles might not.

That kind of generation thing.  

 

It is really not quicker with paddles the only difference is both hands might be on the wheel. if you do not feel the instant change or 2 gears dropped, and if you need to hold the paddle to go back to D and auto, IME anyway and i have driven DSG's for quite a few years and all sorts of them. towed quite a bit with vehicles with DSG's.

Driven them on hill climbs, sprints & 1/4 miles as well and still always use the shifter.

 

You do your thing and others might do theirs, that is the beauty, so many ways to use a DSG including Coasting Function if you have that.

 

People might choice an Auto or Automated over a manual because that is what they want or need.

 

Think about it, some will drive with hand controls and no pedals, maybe they have no feet or use of them if they have.

Some might have one bad leg or foot.

Edited 24 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Staying on the topic of the thread title, but straying just a bit :

 

Am I right in thinking that to get the (hopefully more resilient) wet clutch DSG with the Karoq you need a two litre diesel?

 

Or has the passage of time now dictated that a seven speed dry clutch in current models could be considered a reliable and sensible purchase.

 

I ask this as the owner (from new) of one of the latter and which had the DSG modifications in the early stage of it's life and which has been OK since.

Not heard or read anyone with a 1.0TSI with DSG complaining of having to have Warranty work.

The thing about cars / DSG's after 3 years is you need to be past 3 years to know how they are.

 

The greatest majority of DQ200 DSG's from 2009-2020 will be fine even if they had Service Campaign 34F7 or 34H5, or the Software Updates that some have needed 2015-2018, and Clutch Pack Updates, or the Software updates needed from 2018 to now that some are getting.

There is yet another Recall in Australia on DQ200's, that is after the previous one which was part of the World Wide recall.

 

Skoda build 2,200 a day so even if there is just a 1 or 2% failure rate that is too many when VW Group just do a 2 or 3 year Manufacturers Warranty unless you pay more.

 

If VW, Skoda, SEAT & Audi were not to treat every failure in warranty or out of warranty as a one off then that might give buyers a greater peace of mind.

Since the DQ200 has no provision to also drive the rear axle, the 4x4 versions have the DQ381 installed, which is a wet clutch model.

That also makes the car better fit for towing.

 

http://www.tvsengineering.nl/en/gearbox/dsg/dq381.html

OK, so that has confirmed that 4x4 Karoqs have a wet clutch (presumably 6 speed?) ... but I haven't had it confirmed that I would have to get a 2 litre diesel to get the same wet DSG.

There is the 2.0 TSI (190 ps Petrol) DSG 4x4 as well.

Then there is the 1.5 TSI DSG 4x4 which does not have a DQ200.

 

When there are 1.4 TSI Hybrid Karoq eventually they will not use a DQ200 DSG.

Edited 1 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

The DQ381 is 7-speed wet clutch, but I doubt you get it with any 2x4 Karoq version.

Blimey, I'm now quite confused ....and I HAVE a DSG box myself 🙂

 

I'm none the wiser regarding which Karoqs have got a wet DSG - which is all I was really asking in the first place.

 

You might say ... ring Skoda and ask them ... but I think we all know an 18 year old girl reading from a script who only started six weeks ago isn't going to answer my question.

Front Wheel Drive with no more than 150 PS / 250 Nm.

So 1.0 or 1.5 TSI's, or 1.6 TDI.

Same as with the Yeti's with a 7 speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG, 2009-2017, but they were 1.2 TSI' or 1.6 TDI's.

Also Kamiq, Scala & Octavia.

Edited 1 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

1 hour ago, oldstan said:

 

I'm none the wiser regarding which Karoqs have got a wet DSG - which is all I was really asking in the first place.

 

 

All 4x4 versions and none of the current 2x4's.

(Assuming the new 190 hp engines (both TSI and TDI) are always paired with 4x4 transmission, as they are on our market.)

Edited 1 January, 20206 yr by agedbriar

 

 

I said ..... I'm none the wiser regarding which Karoqs have got a wet DSG - which is all I was really asking in the first place.

 

 

And you've said ....

Front Wheel Drive with no more than 150 PS / 250 Nm.

So 1.0 or 1.5 TSI's, or 1.6 TDI.

                              

In which case I must be losing it because you're saying the smaller capacity   DSG vehicles have a WET clutch - yet for years and years I've been reading that the big engine VAG examples get the wet and smaller engine or lower power, get the dry 7 speed.

No sorry i am saying what do not have wet.   You do have right what has wet, but not just a 2.0 TDI, also 2.0 TSI and 1.5 TSI 4x4.

I thought it was dry clutch for engines producing 250nm or less of torque and the DQ381 wet clutch DSG for engines producing more than 250nm.

Ah, thank goodness for that.  I was starting to despair.

 

No, i didn't know that the big petrol engines have WET - ditto the 1.5 4x4.

 

Don't really need a 4x4 so that just leaves the two litre 2WD models if I insist that it has the wet clutch.  Which, of course, may be cutting my nose off to spite my face if, in truth, the dry 7 speeders are more reliable than they were .... but they have acquired such a damning reputation i imagine it's gonna be hard to shrug off.

@shyVRS245

Correct, but also the 1.5 TSI Edition 150ps DSG 4x4.  Because it has no more than 250 Nm, but has Haldex / AWD.

 

@oldstan

Reading your first post i know you did not know it included the petrol, the clue is in what you posted.

Edited 1 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Or ..................

 

............  get a Peugeot 3008.

Or get a car with a DQ200 DSG since you had one so long even after you said it was Modified.

What was the Mod, it was a change of oil from Synthetic to Mineral and a software update.

This Service Campaigns started in 2014 in the UK.

 

Take out a 5 year warranty, job done unless keeping over 5 years.

Edited 1 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

9 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@shyVRS245

 

 

9 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

 

 

9 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@shyVRS245

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@oldstan

 

 

 

(a)      Yes the VAG mod consisting change of oil and software updates

 

(b)      Regarding you comment .... "Reading your first post i know you did not know it included the petrol, the clue is in what you posted".    Whether it was intendedd as sarcasm or not I don't know, but not strictly necessary if it was. I've not tried to be funny or sarastic myself .... can't see wht you should feel the need.