We will see what the Grenadier costs.  Plenty people will pay whatever they feel they want to. Maybe NGO,s or charities needing capable vehicles.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-is-the-ineos-grenadier-defender-successor/

 

The Ineos looks more Defender than the defender. I quite like it.

 

But building a car is hard, this will probably be sh0ite for a few generations till they learn how to build a car, just like Tesla is having to learn.

1 hour ago, Aspman said:

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-is-the-ineos-grenadier-defender-successor/

 

The Ineos looks more Defender than the defender. I quite like it.

 

But building a car is hard, this will probably be sh0ite for a few generations till they learn how to build a car, just like Tesla is having to learn.

I agree it's nifty.

New kid on the block competition. Old school?

 

 

 

 

Drove a new defender today. I liked it, it's a bit like the Wrangler but civilised. Its probably worth the extra over the Wrangler. 

 

I'd consider one but the one i drove had a beige interior which is going to be a disaster for anyone that chooses it. It's only 6k but the seats were stained and water marked from drops of rain or water splashes. Trim looked to be easily scratched too. 

 

The car itself drives really well. I liked it a lot but then I drove a full Range Rover.. I understand the appeal now. 

 

 

 

This is more like Offroad in the UK.

The thing with many offroad courses is they show going through dirty water with solid underwheels ground, when you want to see having to go into and through and out of mud.

Sucking you in mud.

 

Articulation and ground clearance are another matter.

If a vehicle lets you disconnect the sway bar it is a pretty good idea to do it, like you can on the Jeep.....

 

 

 

Edited 9 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Yeah my mate bangs on about mud constantly. Plenty of cars with ground clearance but they all still have big fat summer tyres and they float on the mud spinning their tyres until the dig in.

 

He was shooting yesterday and apparently there was a guy there with a new defender but it wasn't doing too well. for one the supplied tyres are no good and apparently the rim size means there isn't a god selection of off-road tyres for it right now, the other was his was a £70+ model and he was too scared to drive it where he needed to go.

I did not posted the New Defender vids from the USA, but there are new owners having issues as some UK owners are reporting.

 

As with most JLR products, over a year of them being privately owned and driven is needed to really see if JLR are getting any better with new models that they test all over the world and spin the media all about for yearafter year  but that new owners then discover where the snagging faults are.

eg

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

 

 

People moved on from running modern Land Rovers and got offroaders that were reliable for reasons just like this.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

People moved on from running modern Land Rovers and got offroaders that were reliable for reasons just like this.

 

 

 

 

New models are often a bit flaky. With so much tech it's not really a surprise that the majority of issues inthe future will be software related.

 

There is probably nothing wrong with that camera module, it's probably not compatible with the car software update, or the update is applied  in the wrong order. If you've ever worked on computers for a living all these issues start to sound familiar

 

 

https://www.motor1.com/news/451950/land-rover-baby-defender-2022/

 

 

Coming home last night and a recovery unit passed us with “Santa’s” sleigh on the back. 
My 9yr old shouts out from the back “look daddy, Santa’s been sponsored by Landrover”

Cant think where he gets it from 😂. 

 

P400 is an £80k car.

I've not been in a P400 but I have driven a First edition D250 which is quite high spec.

 

I can't see many people getting into a P400 and thinking they've got good value for £80k.

And I like the new Defender.

 

I see a few dealers have them specced up and priced over £100k.

 

Good luck with that, they aren't going to hold the money the old ones do.

If you're gpoing to drop £100k on a 4x4 you're either going to get a G-Wagon, a full fat Range Rover Autograph or wait on a used Lambo Auris. Or you might be mad and drop £100 and defender that'll be worth £30k in 3yr.

Edited 18 January, 20215 yr by Aspman

Sounds like a bargain if you want to drive up to your wind turbines and look at them in your £80,000 landy & think about the £250,000 each is of the windmills earn you a year.

Well, far from the naysayers, I’ve had Land Rovers for over 20 years, without any major problems (apart from when they fitted a crappy BMW 2.5ltr lump of poo into the 38A), our current Discivery us great and yes, will be getting a new Defender when tine to replace.

 

 

Edited 25 February, 20215 yr by vrskeith

Seeing lots of New Defenders about these days and everytime i go WTF when i see the back of them. Some colours worse than others but black is really guff IMO.