Who ever thought up this stupid idea ? I've Borrowed a Kamiq for  the weekend, this would certainly stop me from buying one. It's annoying at best and dangerous at worse. My Yeti is (in my opinion) a far better car.

Agreed but there is one good thing about it - you can switch it off. Unfortunately it comes back on again the next time you start up. Shame there isn't a second button at ther side of the one that switches Stop/Start off which is number two on my list of annoying things about the car.

 

On the plus side there are some things that I like more than my Yeti such as the digital mph display in the centre of the speedometer and Apple carplay is simply brilliant.

only comes on at 37 mph all new cars will have this feature

On 22/02/2020 at 15:36, monkster said:

Who ever thought up this stupid idea ? I've Borrowed a Kamiq for  the weekend, this would certainly stop me from buying one. It's annoying at best and dangerous at worse. My Yeti is (in my opinion) a far better car.

 

I don't like it either ( luckily I can still turn mine off on both Octavia and Karoq ). Yes it's a pain to keep manually turning it off but scrapping the bottom of the barrel for positives, it's not annoying if you use your indicators.

 

With lane assist switched on I find myself using the indicators more which I guess is no bad thing and would imagine is difficult to argue against. I may not like it but I'd say it's more safe rather than more dangerous.

Edited 23 February, 20206 yr by Guest

10 hours ago, Scot5 said:

I find myself using the indicators more which I guess is no bad thing and would imagine is difficult to argue against

Do you often "talk to an empty room"? I don't have "steer back into a lane", and hardly ever signal to move a lane left (UK) unless leaving at the next LH sliproad.

The country is full of drivers that never actually look back or alongside them, see it is clear / safe to change lanes, indicate and then move.

 

Many new safety systems work on certain tyres of roads. That might not be in the UK where lines are not completely all there on the roads. 

Like some drivers that have the gear and little idea.

 

In the car settings on the radio you can alter the settings for LA. you can make it less aggressive, there are 2 boxes, untick the Botton box and LA is less aggressive 

It's never going to be an issue for me but in icy conditions (snow and ice the car stays in the garage) it could be enough to destabilise a vehicle, based on my experience at least. Every time it has tried to correct my positioning it's been completely wrong in it's reading of the road and when I've deliberately strayed out of my lane to test whether it works it didn't.

Interesting to read this as I have a VW T-Cross and feel that LA has been implemented too aggressively. Also not having a dedicated button to switch it off us a pain. It should be a good safety feature but on occasion it is dangerous e.g. going over chevrons at motorway junctions really confuses it. My wife will simply not drive the car until it is switched off.

33 minutes ago, rkenny said:

Interesting to read this as I have a VW T-Cross and feel that LA has been implemented too aggressively. Also not having a dedicated button to switch it off us a pain. It should be a good safety feature but on occasion it is dangerous e.g. going over chevrons at motorway junctions really confuses it. My wife will simply not drive the car until it is switched off.

Er, according to the Highway Code you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

Hi Ken

You are right of course - in most cases when chevrons are enclosed by solid lines - see below however:

“Cross hatch lines (chevrons) – can you drive on them?

White chevrons (commonly known as cross hatched lines) are often used to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

There are 2 types:

If the area is bordered by a solid white line, you should not enter it except in an emergency.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.“

Obviously you can indicate and enter the area but the diagonal lines really do cause the system problems. Many drivers on the T-Cross forum are of the opinion that the system is suspect, often quoting issues on narrow country lanes.  

17 minutes ago, rkenny said:

(snip) Many drivers on the T-Cross forum are of the opinion that the system is suspect, often quoting issues on narrow country lanes.  

That was my experience. I had just collected the car from the dealership and decided to go home the pretty way which is over moorland roads. The road I was on has no markings and is wide enough for two cars to pass. There's drainage ditches on both sides and I was a normal distance from the nearside which is tarmac straight to onto grass and down into the ditch. Doing about 40mph dead straight, I thought the fns tyre had suddenly gone flat because the car pulled to the nearside and for a split second I thought I was headed for the ditch. TBH it was that one instance that has set me against the system, I just don't trust it. If I set off without remembering to switch it off, I pull up and do so.

I don’t trust it much either - on most recent journeys the car has taken to flashing (and beeping) lane assist warning “Take over steering wheel” despite my having both hands on the wheel! I wonder if VAG is aware that their system is a bit ‘aggressive’ - I also wonder if it could be ‘dialled down’ a little to be a bit less sensitive?

 

This system will be mandatory in Europe from next year I think but the VW Group have implemented it, in common with other manufacturers , ahead of time for new models. There are a lot of new mandatory safety systems coming in the next few years. Hopefully these won’t take away too much driving pleasure!

Boris with have British Cars systems fit for British crappy roads.  I have only ever seen him driving old rust buckets.

 

German Car Manufacturers are turning out some right crappy safety systems that do not work well in all locations.

Also some of the worst car headlights i have seen .

This morning in a dark and frosty morning the only annoying and very white blinding dipped headlights were on new BMW's and Mercedes.

Probably only because i never met any Audi, Seat, Kia or Renaults that also fit some horror show lighting.

6 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Boris with have British Cars systems fit for British crappy roads.  I have only ever seen him driving old rust buckets.

 

German Car Manufacturers are turning out some right crappy safety systems that do not work well in all locations.

Also some of the worst car headlights i have seen .

This morning in a dark and frosty morning the only annoying and very white blinding dipped headlights were on new BMW's and Mercedes.

Probably only because i never met any Audi, Seat, Kia or Renaults that also fit some horror show lighting.

 

What on earth are you on about?

 

Haven't a clue what relevence Boris has to do with British cars systems  ( I can't even take a guess ! ).  Crappy safety systems? Only Germans are turing out crappy safety systems? Worst headlights - eh?  ( What's that got to do with lane assist? )

 

"This morning in a dark and frost morning..."

 

Honestly man, what's the point of your posts?  All you seem to do is take to the keyboard simply to moan. Doesn't matter if it has anything to do with the subject being discussed, you sole purpose seem to be moaning.

 

If you want to get a chip of your shoulder, can you start a seperate subject and stop making threads difficult to read for the rest of us.  

 

 

@Scot5  Lighten up man.    You really are easily wound up.  Just use the 'ignore button' if you can find that.

 

While someone comes towards you with lights that might help them see and are not helping others the lane assist might well be having you at least staying in your lane if there are markings, even if theirs has not kept them in their lane / side of the road.

 

Other manufacturers have safety systems that are rather more fit for purpose, tried and tested and glitch free.

If you do not find this to be so then good on you.  As to car headlights and tail lights, if you see no issues then good for you.

Edited 26 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Just experienced lane assist on a Kamiq SE 1.5 dsg courtesy car and you can certainly feel the pull if you go near the line. I’d look into adjusting it if I had the car for more than a day or two. 

 

Would I chop my 3 year old Octavia SE  1.6tdi in for one? Don’t think so, but the Kamiq is easier to park in my tight road. 

Like it or not all cars will have this as standard in the future, and as a safety feature the argument is that it should always be there each time the car is started.

 

The other issue to think about is that if it does activate it means you're changing lanes without indicating, as it doesn't activate if you have indicated before hand to change lanes. If it's activating because you're cutting a corner and crossing the white line at the side of the road; the white line denotes the edge of the carriageway so once again technically you're not driving safely.

 

But back in the real world, it is something I dislike on my Kamiq and would happily do without it, not sure I would say it's dangerous but when all said and done on a long distance motorway run it might just save your bacon if the person in the next lane is close the their side of the white line.

 

 

3 hours ago, Kiero1 said:

(snip)  if it does activate it means you're changing lanes without indicating,(snip)

 

 

No it doesn't. As I mentioned in my earlier post the first time it activated on me was when I was on a country lane with no markings whatsoever and I was driving straight ahead.  It's unreliable and introduces potential dangers into what's supposed to be a safety system as far as I'm concerned.

15 hours ago, Kiero1 said:

if it does activate it means you're changing lanes without indicating

OK, so just why do you think that it's safe to change lanes by indicating without looking, but not by looking and establishing that there's no-one to indicate to?

Folk around us seem to think the overtaking manover is  "  Change lanes, Indicate, check mirror "  

Ah .. I think some people are reading more into my post than is actually there. Most people on the motorway don't indicate they simply manoeuvre with scant regard for correct procedure as stated by Auric GF. The lane assist has just brought to my attention that occasionally I change lanes without indicating and has made me reassess my driving style. I have had the lane assist activate trying to pull me back whilst going round a parked car. My initial thought is that it was dangerous however, on reflection I should have been indicating regardless of whether there was a vehicle coming towards me as there could have been someone in the parked car or even a pedestrian I had not seen.

 

As for the activation without white lines I have said that actually I don't like the system but have accepted that it is part of the future of motoring, for those that don't like the system the solution is simple buy something less technically advanced.

31 minutes ago, Kiero1 said:

however, on reflection I should have been indicating regardless of whether there was a vehicle coming towards me as there could have been someone in the parked car or even a pedestrian I had not seen.

 

Reassessing your driving style, fair enough.............

 

............but I don't see why you indicating would make any difference to anyone in the parked car or a pedestrian you had not seen, so do not think this scenario is a very good explanation.

 

 

@Kiero1 - You're still ignoring the point that "signal - manoevre" is potentially dangerous regardless of the actual existence or otherwise of a 3rd party, but "observe-(signal}-manoevre" is less so because you've thought about whether or not a signal is required.

In fairness it has always been mirror, signal, manoeuvre,  @KenONeill