Hi, i need to know how to diagnose the rear foglight, it seems like the switch and the relè is working fine, so i need to measure the cables.. i have been trying for 2 days now... 

hi, it does not show where i should look on the connectors in the fuse box, but thank you so much.. if you have anything showing all 7 connections on the switch i would be very glad

What 7 connections on the switch? There are 5 pins.

13 hours ago, RicardoM said:

What 7 connections on the switch? There are 5 pins.

 

Newer models have 8-pin switch for rear fog lights. Your diagram is for models before 1997-8

that might be why its not right for me 👍🏻

3 hours ago, Papez said:

 

Newer models have 8-pin switch for rear fog lights. Your diagram is for models before 1997-8

I am talking about 5 INSTALLED pins from 8 slots of the switch. Duh... All switches on the dashboard have 8 slots. The hazard lights switch is using all 8 of them. The rest have 5 pins except side lights switch that has 4 pins.

The wiring diagram is perfectly fine. Feel free to prove me wrong and provide OP the 'correct' diagram.

2 hours ago, Ledningen said:

that might be why its not right for me 👍🏻

How about posting a photo of your rear fog lights switch (pins side) ? What engine has your car? Does it have DRL?

1 hour ago, RicardoM said:

am talking about 5 INSTALLED pins from 8 slots of the switch. Duh... All switches on the dashboard have 8 slots. The hazard lights switch is using all 8 of them. The rest have 5 pins except side lights switch that has 4 pins.

 

 

I WAS talking about pins 🙄 Rear fog light switch is same as hazard light switch from MY1998.

 

I did backlighting change several years ago, i sourced switches from older model which I converted to LED. After change, rear fog light didn't work, because replacement switch was 5-pin. Before I finished foglight switch, I used old hazard light switch with swapped cap and it worked.

 

All I have is factory wiring diagram in Czech laid over several pages, I don't have acces to my PC to create full diagram in english. But here's atleast page with switch so you can see that 7 pins really are connected.

im sitting in the car now, top bad i cant understand the czech language

 

1 hour ago, Papez said:

I WAS talking about pins 🙄 Rear fog light switch is same as hazard light switch from MY1998.

@Ledningen posted he has a Pickup from year 1997. No engine type, because who cares, isn't it? If you look in any wiring diagrams for 1997 Pickup (chapters 5/10, 30/10, 34/10 depending on engine type) you will see there is NO rear fog lights switch using 7 pins. Only 5 pins are used.

 

Only after January 1st 1998, Felicia cars started to have 7 pins on the rear fog lights switch. Your Czech diagram (chapter 38/12) is for cars after January 1st 1998. Somebody is clearly mistaking. And it is not me.

This is my switch and it is not working and im trying to measure but i dont know how it is working..

 

51 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

@Ledningen posted he has a Pickup from year 1997. No 

 

Only after January 1st 1998, Felicia cars started to have 7 pins on the rear fog lights switch. 

 

Those informations are irrelevant if he's holding 8 pin switch.

 

Deviations from official documentation during transition period are not impossible to happen, especially in Vrchlabí and Kvasiny, where pickups were made.

Edited 27 September, 20205 yr by Papez

so, now yo can agree its 8 pin, but could you tell me how i can test the switch and relay, im getting a few special measurings in the switch connector..  foglight switch is working on the hazard blinker... and hazard switch is not engaging the foglight. Today i also checked(to be extra sure) that from the fuse and back to the light is ok. 

2 hours ago, RicardoM said:

@Ledningen posted he has a Pickup from year 1997. No engine type, because who cares, isn't it? If you look in any wiring diagrams for 1997 Pickup (chapters 5/10, 30/10, 34/10 depending on engine type) you will see there is NO rear fog lights switch using 7 pins. Only 5 pins are used.

 

Only after January 1st 1998, Felicia cars started to have 7 pins on the rear fog lights switch. Your Czech diagram (chapter 38/12) is for cars after January 1st 1998. Somebody is clearly mistaking. And it is not me.

 

errr...   I think the picture tells all.  I trust you'll be apologising to your fellow Briskodians?

i do not need an apologize, because i am very happy that people are trying to help, the car might be newer, but i didnt know exactly what year it was yesterday... so i can gladly say that i am sorry.. 

4 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

errr...   I think the picture tells all.  I trust you'll be apologising to your fellow Briskodians?

Your opinion is useless, based on your subjective level of understanding. You didn't bring any help to this topic. You only bring (again) seeds of quarrel. I know very well who you are and whose opinions you share.

4 hours ago, Ledningen said:

the car might be newer, but i didnt know exactly what year it was yesterday... so i can gladly say that i am sorry.. 

That is what I'm talking about. We don't have full access to your car. Only you do. We only have input info from you. January 1998 was the first month of manufacturing Felicia MK2, which has big differences from MK1. Filling the type of engine in your profile data would help too.

6 hours ago, Papez said:

Those informations are irrelevant if he's holding 8 pin switch.

It might be for you. But for me it's not because I worked with what the 'customer' gave me in his first post. Wrong year.

3 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

You only bring (again) seeds of quarrel.

 

Says the man who was argumentative with others earlier in this thread...   So hypocritical as usual!

 

Cheers!

17 minutes ago, skomaz said:

Says the man who was argumentative with others earlier in this thread...

What you call 'argumentative' I call debate based on facts. Fell free to avoid any dialogue with me as I've had already told you in the past. Go join your fellow snowflakes and come back only when you'll be able to help those who really need it. I try to do my best for free on my own time in this section. My reputation on this forum stands proof to that.

6 hours ago, RicardoM said:

What you call 'argumentative' I call debate based on facts. Fell free to avoid any dialogue with me as I've had already told you in the past. Go join your fellow snowflakes and come back only when you'll be able to help those who really need it. I try to do my best for free on my own time in this section. My reputation on this forum stands proof to that.

RicardoM for president. 

I mean calm down its a forum and EVERYONE tries to help in its own way. 

10 hours ago, RicardoM said:

16 hours ago, Papez said:

Those informations are irrelevant if he's holding 8 pin switch.

It might be for you. But for me it's not because I worked with what the 'customer' gave me in his first post. Wrong year.

 

But now have proper information. Is it necessary to continue in arguing instead of helping?

6 hours ago, Papez said:

But now have proper information. Is it necessary to continue in arguing instead of helping?

I tried to but there are some well known trolls that from time to time stick their nose in topics just to stir trouble. Usually they have very low technical knowledge.

On the other hand, I am quite attentive to details when I reply and I expect the same from those asking from help. For some reason, most topics only state the need for something specific without other information.

Let's take this topic. The OP asks how to diagnose the rear fog lights because "it seems" the relay and the switch are fine.

I realize that people don't know how to help us to help them. Maybe because they really don't know or because they are too lazy to write more.

Here is what a really useful request for help should look like in my opinion:

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My car is a 1.9D Felicia Pickup from 1998. One evening while driving on a foggy road, I switched on the rear fog lights and to my surprise the indicator in the dashboard didn't come on. When I arrived at home I checked the rear fog lights and they were not on. I tried to diagnose the fault but I don't have a schematic and my electrical knowledge is basic. I own a multimeter. Could you help me, please?

Do you see how much information we have now to work with? The relevant info about the car, the timing, tests done so far, level of knowledge and logistic.

10 hours ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

RicardoM for president. 

I am open only as king of Greece. I will live on a modest land. Let's say the whole Thassos

59 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

On the other hand, I am quite attentive to details when I reply and I expect the same from those asking from help. For some reason, most topics only state the need for something specific without other information.

Let's take this topic. The OP asks how to diagnose the rear fog lights because "it seems" the relay and the switch are fine.

I realize that people don't know how to help us to help them. Maybe because they really don't know or because they are too lazy to write more.

 

 

People who ask for help on forum can make mistakes. That's why one must choose most relevant info and ignore the rest or ask for confirmation. Especially if some detail is never mentioned in topic (model year in this case). Clinging on details will just lead to misunderstandings. I didn't try to troll, I just relied on information from this topic only.

Edited 28 September, 20205 yr by Papez

1 hour ago, Papez said:

 

People who ask for help on forum can make mistakes. That's why one must choose most relevant info and ignore the rest or ask for confirmation. Especially if some detail is never mentioned in topic (model year in this case). Clinging on details will just lead to misunderstandings. I didn't try to troll, I just relied on information from this topic only.

 

I would guess the 'Troll' comment, along with the 'low technical knowledge' one was directed at me...   ;-)

 

Water off a duck's back though as far as I'm concerned as history has indicated our friend can be rather abrupt and does seem to have a chip on his shoulder at times...

 

Good luck to the OP getting the issue fixed!  You have the diagrams / wiring colour codes and switch / light / (and presumably) relay locations so should hopefully be able to trace with a multimeter.

4 hours ago, Papez said:

Especially if some detail is never mentioned in topic (model year in this case).

 

@RicardoM that doesn't show on phone sadly.