Volkswagen ID 6 to arrive with 435-mile range in 2023 (autocar.co.uk)

 

That looks quite smart.

VW are unreal. Shameless infact.

 

First they need to get their Software sorted on the cars already being delivered to customers, be that with the ID.3 or the Hybrids and ICE vehicles.

Stop the kidology of WLTP figures with Hybrids and the range when using electricity.

 

Then get out the ID.4 and Enyaq with no snagging faults.

Maybe produce and deliver the ID.Buzz  that they have been teasing with for years now.

 

'Autocar'  / Haymarket Media Group' should be asking questions of VW Bosses and their tech and what they actually are selling customers now rather than just being Fanboys and publishing what ever VW Group tell them.

*VW Group are putting out vehicles now to get them registered and lower the C02 g/km average even though all functions are not available on the vehicles.*

 

Edited 10 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

54 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

First they need to get their Software sorted on the cars already being delivered to customers, be that with the ID.3 or the Hybrids and ICE vehicles.

You only need to browse the Octavia IV forum to see that software problems are widespread on the Golf 8 platform (which includes the Octavia IV).

We need the Tesla-Volkswagon collaboration that's been mooted to go ahead. Tesla tech and VW build quality!

TESLA would need to get their act together really or it would still be the blind leading the blind, and deaf and dumb.   So much needs changing and the article in Autocar about Volvo hits the nail on the head.    EV do need to be different in design from ICE cars.  Also for UK vehicles range needs a priority over top speed and acceleration. 

1 hour ago, e-Roottoot said:

EV do need to be different in design from ICE cars.  Also for UK vehicles range needs a priority over top speed and acceleration. 

Totally agree with first part. Need to be a new platform that was never intended to house ICE.

 

Not sure about second part. I still think standard range Tesla is the best of both world. Not excessive amount of battery, access to good charging network is more important.

 

End of the day, extra range from daily needs is just wasted manufacturing emissions to produce that bigger battery. I think any range increase over 300 miles need to be strictly as result of efficiency improvement (both vehicle and production), any range increase should not result in more CO2 emissions.

If not heading to Continental Europe or elsewhere with your EV it will make no difference if the UK Chancellor helps more buyers or manufacturers with 100 mph as a max performance vehicles purchase or production.

If UK Business Users or those wanting tax payer help with getting EV's for actual business use there could be an unladen  weight and performance limit put on the passenger cars if they are not going to be towing in the UK or carrying goods.

 

Limiting or make restrictions on the cost of the vehicles is not going to be putting lots of people off buying or leasing, but requiring efficiency of energy use and restricting the acceleration and max speed might mean more spend their own money and without getting the tax breaks.

 

There are really too many fat heavy EV's about already and more being launched and Journalist complaining that they feel cheap or have scratchy materials.

If the platform materials can be lighter and the batteries heavier to give more range that can get more EV's using roads and not needing the chargers out and about that are not yet available in enough numbers or locations.

1 hour ago, e-Roottoot said:

There are really too many fat heavy EV's about already and more being launched and Journalist complaining that they feel cheap or have scratchy materials.

If the platform materials can be lighter and the batteries heavier to give more range that can get more EV's using roads and not needing the chargers out and about that are not yet available in enough numbers or locations.

Well said - 100% agree, concerns about lack of infrastructure mean that what we need is range to make EVs attractive to more buyers/leasers.

5 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

There are really too many fat heavy EV's about already

This is the bit I really dislike. Manufacturers see EV as an easy target to upsell people into less efficient crossovers or SUV's.

 

I guess my point is, we, as consumers, shouldn't be focused on the mileage figure (like camera megapixels or computer CPU GHz). End of the day it's not as important as efficiency. Focusing on this single range figure pushes for undesirable design choices, the worst of which is like putting 90 kWh battery to achieve range less than 250 miles (Jag IPace), in comparison Model Y is said to achieve 230 miles with just 55 kWh battery. The number one focus should always be on efficiency, getting more range out of smaller battery.

 

It's not just weight of the car. With the push for longer range EV, I fear we end up everyone driving with 150 kWh battery cars for 30 daily miles. Where production of the car batteries generate more greenhouse gases than if we had stuck with petrol-hybrid. Wanting more range is understandable, but it needs to come from efficiency gains, not from having ever bigger batteries. (unless the larger battery can be made with less material than early EV's)

 

This is the other reason I really like idea of range-extended serial hybrid (i3 REx, Ampera). It allows people to be on electric vast majority of the time with just enough battery size, also doesn't drive well if fuelled purely from fossil fuel, and don't need to be at mercy of the infrastructure for longer trips.