Another question for you guys...if i was to get downpipe for my 280 with sport cat, which one is the best option? I understand that most DPs listed for Golfs R/S3s will fit to 280.

Another question is- this will be fitted to standard catback system for now but on most places i see it states that stage 2 map is needed, but my car is still stock. Obviously plan is to have some tune done at the same time but it will be just stage 1 or JB4 box. 

Also...am i likely to get CEL after install of DP? 

I found this that i like (only reason is that i used that site before and guys there are always super helpful)

https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/integrated-engineering-audi-volkswagen-2-0t-awd-cast-downpipe-mk7-mk7-5-golf-r-8v-8s-a3-s3-tt-tts

Any info is much appreciated as always🙏

Mario

Before i had the stage 2 map loaded, i had the downpipe fitted.

After just 40 miles, the yellow engine light came on, but performance wasn't hampered.

The guys that fitted my downpipe, said they would refuse to do another skoda superb, because it's too time consuming to fit.

Just had a look at that link and got promoted to sign up to their mailing list for £300 of the next order. So if you are buying, it looks like you can save a chunk of money.

13 minutes ago, Bigeater said:

Before i had the stage 2 map loaded, i had the downpipe fitted.

After just 40 miles, the yellow engine light came on, but performance wasn't hampered.

The guys that fitted my downpipe, said they would refuse to do another skoda superb, because it's too time consuming to fit.

Oh really? That sounds ridiculous to me...obviously all cars are different but if professional tells you that then they shouldn't be in business.

I read mixed opinions regarding downpipes...some fitted lambda spacers and some had it mapped out. Obviously my car is completely stock so jumping straight into stage 2 because of downpipe does not sit right with me.

How did you find it anyway? Much increase in power/noise? 

Ask yourself what is the reason you are considering a downpipe, i guess the answer would be: "for the performance it unlocks", correct?

Which means you do need a stage 2 map at that point to fully profit from the extra flow, not a stage 1 that is designed for the stock exhaust system. Aside from configured to run on an uprated downpipe, stage 2 maps also remove CEL triggers so that's another reason to go straight to that.

The JB4 is not a full tune that will take care of such matters, so there's good chance you'll get a CEL with that if running an upgraded downpipe. That actually depends on the downpipe and catalyst used, some have seen it come on others not but it's a possibility.

MK7/7.5R downpipes fit the 280 Superb too (assuming they are for the non-OPF models).


If you want my personal opinion, a downpipe / stage 2 value is minimal considering the cost vs the gains you get from stage 1. Most people would admit they just got bored after their stage 1 and wanted to modify something more so the dp makes sense after stage 1 & intake is done, but it's nowhere near the transformation effect you get from stock > stage 1.

My advice would be taking it easy and going with just a remap to begin with, see how you like it and keep in mind you've already sampled around 80% of the additional "easy" horses this engine can offer for a joke cost. If after that, you 're still after every last performance drop then sure stage 2 would be your option but one step at a time works better for many reasons.

 

Edited 24 February, 20215 yr by newbie69

4 minutes ago, jeffl said:

Just had a look at that link and got promoted to sign up to their mailing list for £300 of the next order. So if you are buying, it looks like you can save a chunk of money.

Oh really? Haven't noticed that...they are definitely the most helpful guys so far, even regarding my cat back they said give us few days and we will try to source it for you....not many places offer this kind of customer care anymore. 

4 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

Ask yourself what is the reason you are considering a downpipe, i guess the answer would be: "for the performance it unlocks", correct?

Which means you do need a stage 2 map at that point to fully profit from the extra flow, not a stage 1 that is designed for the stock exhaust system. Aside from configured to run on an uprated downpipe, stage 2 maps also remove CEL triggers so that's another reason to go straight to that.

The JB4 is not a full tune that will take care of such matters, so there's good chance you'll get a CEL with that if running an upgraded downpipe. That actually depends on the downpipe and catalyst used, some have seen it come on others not but it's a possibility.

MK7/7.5R downpipes fit the 280 Superb too (assuming they are for the non-OPF models).


If you want my personal opinion, a downpipe / stage 2 value is minimal considering the cost vs the gains you get from stage 1. Most people would admit they just got bored after their stage 1 and wanted to modify something more so the dp makes sense after stage 1 & intake is done, but it's nowhere near the transformation effect you get from stock > stage 1.

My advice would be taking it easy and going with just a remap to begin with, see how you like it and keep in mind you've already sampled around 80% of the additional "easy" horses this engine can offer for a joke cost. If after that, you 're still after every last performance drop then sure stage 2 would be your option but one step at a time works better for many reasons.

 

I'm glad you joined in to the conversation.... I know you are one of the most knowledgeable people on here i just didn't want to pester you through private messages so thank you for that.

So to put it into simplest way possible- I'm just after stage 1 tune or tuning box and more noise from exhaust, which  i think is very tame for almost 300bhp car. I know there is an argument that but its a limo and it doesn't suit it etc but then i believe that's why there is L&K version. But that's just my opinion. 

Where i live isn't anyone who can fabricate custom exhaust to my liking, only one garage has rolling road and they only do JDM cars and aren't really interested in VAG stuff, and handful of garages do generic maps but for money they're asking i would rather go with JB4 box. So I'm just trying to figure out best bang for buck. I have approx 2k budget for cat back and map. Also don't want it to sound too cheap or too loud. I know that all of this is probably bit of a mission in my budget range. Only liked the idea of downpipe because it won't make the car much louder, dont really care if it gives me 5hp more or 50 or none if that makes sense....hard to please aren't I? 😀

12 minutes ago, MarioVrs said:

Oh really? That sounds ridiculous to me...obviously all cars are different but if professional tells you that then they shouldn't be in business.

I read mixed opinions regarding downpipes...some fitted lambda spacers and some had it mapped out. Obviously my car is completely stock so jumping straight into stage 2 because of downpipe does not sit right with me.

How did you find it anyway? Much increase in power/noise? 

 

I was given a fixed price for the supply and fit of the downpipe, and they had the car all day. I think they under priced the job, hence their comment about not doing anymore.

As for difference in power, combined with the next stage of map, then there is a slight improvement, but it's not worth the money.

However it does make more noise once on the throttle. Dsg farts are aplenty.

I have a res delete, which makes it sound 'orrible. I may decide to fit a centre res again, but my next exhaust mod i think, will be to fit remus back boxes for the cupra r st300 estate.

3 minutes ago, MarioVrs said:

I'm glad you joined in to the conversation.... I know you are one of the most knowledgeable people on here i just didn't want to pester you through private messages so thank you for that.

So to put it into simplest way possible- I'm just after stage 1 tune or tuning box and more noise from exhaust, which  i think is very tame for almost 300bhp car. I know there is an argument that but its a limo and it doesn't suit it etc but then i believe that's why there is L&K version. But that's just my opinion. 

Where i live isn't anyone who can fabricate custom exhaust to my liking, only one garage has rolling road and they only do JDM cars and aren't really interested in VAG stuff, and handful of garages do generic maps but for money they're asking i would rather go with JB4 box. So I'm just trying to figure out best bang for buck. I have approx 2k budget for cat back and map. Also don't want it to sound too cheap or too loud. I know that all of this is probably bit of a mission in my budget range. Only liked the idea of downpipe because it won't make the car much louder, dont really care if it gives me 5hp more or 50 or none if that makes sense....hard to please aren't I? 😀

Just someone who's got the tuning bug and the last two cars he tuned were both featuring the same ea888 gen3 TSI (the second one got an OPF actually  )  so I've either been through a few of the available mods myself or I've done my fair share of study, or, driven them in friend's cars ( i have got around 5-6 good buddies from my MQB involvement so far). And we're here to share so no need for thanking.

You don't have to convince me about the Superb Sportline's sporty potential/appeal. Apart from the extremely capable drivetrain, I bought it mainly because i found it such a sharp and dynamic car design wise, honestly better looking that a few more "premium" offerings of the time, and I do believe that VAG correlations between brands prevented an even more special and focused car like a Superb vRS coming out for this generation, but the underpinnings and Skoda's end product in the form of the Superb Sportline could have definitely supported it. I competely agree the L&K sends out a completely different tone, nothing I could ever see myself driving despite being almost exactly the same car, anyway. 

If you're after more noise you should just go for stage 1/JB4 and instead look for good quality cat-backs, rather than downpipes. That's where the extra exhaust noise can be found. Some cheaper downpipes might actually just increase drone and make it more boomy which is the last thing you want.
Problem is the Superb is not the most popular car for these mods so not as many (good) options for it but I think the aftermarket options for the R estate and Cupra estate should (you'd need to confirm this)  fit the Superb so you might have a solution instead of going custom.


PS. Just read what @Bigeater wrote above about the Remus back-boxes for the Cupra estate which confirms my assumption about some options being compatible even though not stated to be for the Superb. Those would provide the extra noise without making it unbearable, no idea about their cost.

1 hour ago, Bigeater said:

 

I was given a fixed price for the supply and fit of the downpipe, and they had the car all day. I think they under priced the job, hence their comment about not doing anymore.

As for difference in power, combined with the next stage of map, then there is a slight improvement, but it's not worth the money.

However it does make more noise once on the throttle. Dsg farts are aplenty.

I have a res delete, which makes it sound 'orrible. I may decide to fit a centre res again, but my next exhaust mod i think, will be to fit remus back boxes for the cupra r st300 estate.

Do you reckon the dsg farts are due to downpipe or res delete? The remus boxes you mention? You dont happen to have link to source no?😇

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

Just someone who's got the tuning bug and the last two cars he tuned were both featuring the same ea888 gen3 TSI (the second one got an OPF actually  )  so I've either been through a few of the available mods myself or I've done my fair share of study, or, driven them in friend's cars ( i have got around 5-6 good buddies from my MQB involvement so far). And we're here to share so no need for thanking.

You don't have to convince me about the Superb Sportline's sporty potential/appeal. Apart from the extremely capable drivetrain, I bought it mainly because i found it such a sharp and dynamic car design wise, honestly better looking that a few more "premium" offerings of the time, and I do believe that VAG correlations between brands prevented an even more special and focused car like a Superb vRS coming out for this generation, but the underpinnings and Skoda's end product in the form of the Superb Sportline could have definitely supported it. I competely agree the L&K sends out a completely different tone, nothing I could ever see myself driving despite being almost exactly the same car, anyway. 

If you're after more noise you should just go for stage 1/JB4 and instead look for good quality cat-backs, rather than downpipes. That's where the extra exhaust noise can be found. Some cheaper downpipes might actually just increase drone and make it more boomy which is the last thing you want.
Problem is the Superb is not the most popular car for these mods so not as many (good) options for it but I think the aftermarket options for the R estate and Cupra estate should (you'd need to confirm this)  fit the Superb so you might have a solution instead of going custom.


PS. Just read what @Bigeater wrote above about the Remus back-boxes for the Cupra estate which confirms my assumption about some options being compatible even though not stated to be for the Superb. Those would provide the extra noise without making it unbearable, no idea about their cost.

I appreciate it buddy but still...forums like this and people like you guys make all the difference.

You are absolutely right about its sharp appearance. I had 2 Vrs octavias before and only got superb because there was no petrol vrs with 4x4 only diesel.

Would you say that that golf R estate's system (without gpf) would fit ? That remus system for cupra...is that valved? What got me a bit hesitant is that i found a video of system that i want to order from Germany fitted to Arteon 280 and it sounds gash😷

 Listen to this compared to same system on Superb...last thing i would want is to end up with this monstrosity...

The only difference is that in Arteon its flaps are automatic and open once revs go over 2700+

10 hours ago, MarioVrs said:

I appreciate it buddy but still...forums like this and people like you guys make all the difference.

You are absolutely right about its sharp appearance. I had 2 Vrs octavias before and only got superb because there was no petrol vrs with 4x4 only diesel.

Would you say that that golf R estate's system (without gpf) would fit ? That remus system for cupra...is that valved? What got me a bit hesitant is that i found a video of system that i want to order from Germany fitted to Arteon 280 and it sounds gash😷

 Listen to this compared to same system on Superb...last thing i would want is to end up with this monstrosity...

The only difference is that in Arteon its flaps are automatic and open once revs go over 2700+

Yes I think the Superb shares the same part numbers regarding the cat-back with the estate versions of the Golf and the Leon, minus the tail-pipes of-course. Don't just take my word on that one though as I've never fitted one myself but check with the fitter first.

The Friedrich system on the Superb sounded quite good actually in that vid, if you're after a more throaty sound. The same system on the Arteon though sounded helpless... No idea why so different.


I found that clip from a Cupra ST with the Remus cat-back:
 

Not that exciting tbh, less noticeable than the Friedrich although with exhaust systems it can be that what you hear on YT vids is worse/better than what you'll get in reality...

3 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Yes I think the Superb shares the same part numbers regarding the cat-back with the estate versions of the Golf and the Leon, minus the tail-pipes of-course. Don't just take my word on that one though as I've never fitted one myself but check with the fitter first.

The Friedrich system on the Superb sounded quite good actually in that vid, if you're after a more throaty sound. The same system on the Arteon though sounded helpless... No idea why so different.


I found that clip from a Cupra ST with the Remus cat-back:
 

Not that exciting tbh, less noticeable than the Friedrich although with exhaust systems it can be that what you hear on YT vids is worse/better than what you'll get in reality...

I do like that sound of that a lot!!!

I have found company called Rtec in St Albans however they just got back to me saying they don't ship to channel islands and need vehicle in their workshop😔

Just out of interest... Does Golf R estate or Leon cupra estate have valved exhausts? 

12 minutes ago, MarioVrs said:

Just out of interest... Does Golf R estate or Leon cupra estate have valved exhausts? 

Golf R yes, Cupra no.

15 hours ago, MarioVrs said:

Do you reckon the dsg farts are due to downpipe or res delete? The remus boxes you mention? You dont happen to have link to source no?😇

The dsg noise has come from a combination of downpipe and res delete. I can't say anymore than that because before the stage 2 map, i was running with a small vibrant centre res.

The sound was just right then.

 

Regarding remus - It's my own preference to all the other sounds I've heard. I just googled the part number for the boxes 796517 0500LR. 

I was considering scorpion back boxes from the golf r estate, because they can be bought for 200 quid each - but i/ve not been impressed by the video's i have seen and heard.

 

As for the exhaust flaps, I'm prepared to put a terminator on the end of the sensors. If i want to go quietly, i'll walk.

 

27 minutes ago, MarioVrs said:

I do like that sound of that a lot!!!

I have found company called Rtec in St Albans however they just got back to me saying they don't ship to channel islands and need vehicle in their workshop😔

Just out of interest... Does Golf R estate or Leon cupra estate have valved exhausts? 

The golf r estate remus exhaust is 2 grand - and you have to buy it as a cat back system -  Stuff that, that's why i looked at the cupra

 

And it goes without saying, that there would have to be an amount of fabrication to get this to fit....

Edited 25 February, 20215 yr by Bigeater

2 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Golf R yes, Cupra no.

Ah ok would that be R 7 or 7.5 as long as its without GPF? 

7 minutes ago, MarioVrs said:

Ah ok would that be R 7 or 7.5 as long as its without GPF? 

Correct.

2 hours ago, Bigeater said:

The dsg noise has come from a combination of downpipe and res delete. I can't say anymore than that because before the stage 2 map, i was running with a small vibrant centre res.

The sound was just right then.

 

Regarding remus - It's my own preference to all the other sounds I've heard. I just googled the part number for the boxes 796517 0500LR. 

I was considering scorpion back boxes from the golf r estate, because they can be bought for 200 quid each - but i/ve not been impressed by the video's i have seen and heard.

 

As for the exhaust flaps, I'm prepared to put a terminator on the end of the sensors. If i want to go quietly, i'll walk.

 

Fair comment buddy... So basically as long as i find golf r estate valved system it should fit in theory👀

Is there a lot of fabrication needed in order to fit such system to superb? Obviously its a longer car but any more bending, welding or cutting needed?

 

1 minute ago, newbie69 said:

Correct.

Ok...that gives me something to work with. I know i may seem to have too many questions but trying to get it right without hearing the system fitted on Superb or possibility to visit proper fabricator is proving rather frustrating...

 

30 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

Correct.

Just one more question for you- going back to Fox system just noticed it is 70mm which equals to 2.75 diameter... Am i asking for trouble or would that work?

11 minutes ago, MarioVrs said:

Just one more question for you- going back to Fox system just noticed it is 70mm which equals to 2.75 diameter... Am i asking for trouble or would that work?

If by "Fox" you mean the Remus system seen here for the Cupra:

https://remus.eu/cat-back-system-stainless-steel-sport-exhaust-l-r-for-seat-leon-cupra-st-300-4drive-selectable-tail-pipes-incl-ec-homologation.html

As I understand it, the Remus centre resonator included is 70mm at the back to connect to the resonator-back part which is increased to 70mm from the OEM, but at the front of the resonator where it connects to the OEM downpipe it should be 60mm so there shouldn't be any problems.

In any case, if this system is meant to be compatible with the OEM downpipe then it should feature a matching diameter in front of the resonator.

I wouldn't be buying this system. There's no guarantee that the centre res sits in the right place.

9 minutes ago, Bigeater said:

I wouldn't be buying this system. There's no guarantee that the centre res sits in the right place.

Maybe you're right. Would be helpful if someone who has a system made or installed for the Superb could chime in. 

From a very un-scientific check of Friedrich's images for the available systems for the Superb and the Cupra ST,  they look identical till the res-back point but it appears as the distance from the mufflers joint to the resonator is longer on the Superb as there is an additional pipe extension welded on the Superb's resonator (in red).

Well spotted newbie! I have also spotted that on the supersprint website, the part number for the Y pipe is the same for the superb as it is for the ........... oh i've forgotten lol