I can see where you are coming from.

 

At the end of the day, the Dealer is just there to take the order and hand over what the manufacturer supplies

I have no doubt that the Manufacturers provide product familiarisation but ultimately it is easier to just provide

the customer with what arrives from the factory rather than go over it with a fine tooth comb.

 

That is the value of a Forum such as this: to get around the PR blurb and highlight to potential (and existing)

owners what they should expect from the product.

 

 

Just for info, one review did say the Audi Q4 e-Tron ride was a bit better than the ID.4 & Enyaq, but this link does explain that the Audi tested with DCC may have been better than the Enyaq they tried, as the latter they drove didn't have DCC, but they still thought its ride impressive.  They do go on about ride & the extra EV weight, but not convinced by their explanation - the batteries are low down & so the C of G should be lower than equivalent non EV, which I'd think would aid stability on bends & improve the handling/ride compromise.  I bet the tyres were pumped up too high.

3 minutes ago, croquemonsieur said:

Just for info, one review did say the Audi Q4 e-Tron ride was a bit better than the ID.4 & Enyaq, but this link does explain that the Audi tested with DCC may have been better than the Enyaq they tried, as the latter they drove didn't have DCC, but they still thought its ride impressive.  They do go on about ride & the extra EV weight, but not convinced by their explanation - the batteries are low down & so the C of G should be lower than equivalent non EV, which I'd think would aid stability on bends & improve the handling/ride compromise.  I bet the tyres were pumped up too high.

It is difficult for us laymen to determine which has the best ride quality for different road surfaces.

 

However, as I have demonstrated, the Dealers could help by at least setting the tyre pressures to those actually recommended on the sticker attached to the vehicle !

So far each of the Audi drivers i have spoken with and that is about 8 at chargers had a Tesla before the Audi and are happy as Larry with them.

 

 

Pleased to hear it, but the base price is about £10,000 more than my Enyaq so I guess it should be better !

6 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

So far each of the Audi drivers i have spoken with and that is about 8 at chargers had a Tesla before the Audi and are happy as Larry with them.

 

 

 

Just now, Heike said:

Pleased to hear it, but the base price is about £10,000 more than my Enyaq so I guess it should be better !

 

 

Sorry, I forgot the link   https://www.whatcar.com/audi/q4/estate/review/n23194/on-the-road      I actually prefer the Skoda front end, but think the ID.4 looks best of all.

5 minutes ago, croquemonsieur said:

Sorry, I forgot the link   https://www.whatcar.com/audi/q4/estate/review/n23194/on-the-road      I actually prefer the Skoda front end, but think the ID.4 looks best of all.

All subjective, but is it worth the extra price ?

When I was buying my Kodiaq, I spent a long time considering DCC. Read a lot online and tried it a few times. Only after the last test drive I decided to get it. I would rather regret buying it than not. After 2.5 years, it is one of the extras I have used the most. It was after driving several hours on various roads I really found the love for it.

 

Which roads you typically drive on will matter a lot. Here in Norway I drive on bumpy roads, gravel, highways and everything in between. If I only used it on highways or structurally sound roads, I might not need it as much, but I even like putting it in Comfort on highways since it softens the ride and lowers the noise a little. At 110 km/h the curves are so wide that it doesn’t make the ride too boaty. We have a lot of country roads with decent asphalt and lots of curves, where the Sport setting is frequently used. With a two year old sitting backwards and suffering from motion sickness, it means I don’t have to drive at 40 km/h all the time.

 

The Enyaq has even more adjustment since you can choose across a range rather than between three pre-determined points. When I read that the Enyaq feels stiffer, which I also thought on my test drive, I was even more determined to get DCC. Not to make it sporty, but to make it softer.

 

The tire pressure tip is a good one I will try to remember. As a little anecdote, I once rented a 19 m^3 truck for moving. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but IIRC, the tyre pressure on two tires were below half of what they should have had. Can’t trust people.

1 hour ago, SkodaNor said:

When I was buying my Kodiaq, I spent a long time considering DCC. Read a lot online and tried it a few times. Only after the last test drive I decided to get it. I would rather regret buying it than not. After 2.5 years, it is one of the extras I have used the most. It was after driving several hours on various roads I really found the love for it.

 

Which roads you typically drive on will matter a lot. Here in Norway I drive on bumpy roads, gravel, highways and everything in between. If I only used it on highways or structurally sound roads, I might not need it as much, but I even like putting it in Comfort on highways since it softens the ride and lowers the noise a little. At 110 km/h the curves are so wide that it doesn’t make the ride too boaty. We have a lot of country roads with decent asphalt and lots of curves, where the Sport setting is frequently used. With a two year old sitting backwards and suffering from motion sickness, it means I don’t have to drive at 40 km/h all the time.

 

The Enyaq has even more adjustment since you can choose across a range rather than between three pre-determined points. When I read that the Enyaq feels stiffer, which I also thought on my test drive, I was even more determined to get DCC. Not to make it sporty, but to make it softer.

 

The tire pressure tip is a good one I will try to remember. As a little anecdote, I once rented a 19 m^3 truck for moving. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but IIRC, the tyre pressure on two tires were below half of what they should have had. Can’t trust people.

Very interesting comments.

I think you are right. check everything.

All my issues so far could have been sorted if PDI and handover had been done properly.

Right;

 

So, I reset the over-inflated tyre pressures in line with the helpful advice received from this Forum and there was a significant

improvement in the ride quality.

 

However, hitting potholes or trenches still feels like I am hitting a brick wall to the extent that my passengers

express their reactions using the F word !

 

Am I alone with this  ? (is it a by-product of having a rigid chassis supporting batteries ?) or am I missing

something ?

 

Hope you can all help  !

I think I would get it checked by a Škoda dealer. Ride quality is subjective, I’m ok with mine. I had a passenger onboard yesterday, on some pretty rough roads in the Peak District and only had positive comments about the car, but that doesn’t really help you out. 
If it is really very harsh maybe there is something like transport blocks still in place.

Edited 18 August, 20214 yr by classic

11 minutes ago, classic said:

I think I would get it checked by a Škoda dealer. Ride quality is subjective, I’m ok with mine. I had a passenger onboard yesterday, on some pretty rough roads in the Peak District and only had positive comments about the car, but that doesn’t really help you out. 
If it’s really very harsh maybe there is something like transport blocks still in place.

Thanks.

 

I think that a once-over by a dealer would at least put my mind at rest, so I will follow up your suggestion !

17 minutes ago, Heike said:

Thanks.

 

I think that a once-over by a dealer would at least put my mind at rest, so I will follow up your suggestion !

 

If you're still not happy on 235/55R19 tyres fitted to 8Jx19 ET45 rims, then higher profile tyres on narrow rims (such as 235/65R17 fitted to 6.5Jx17 ET38 rims from the Kodiaq) would massively improve the ride comfort.

 

235/65R17 is a much cheaper tyre size than 235/55R19.

 

17" rims won't clear the front brake calipers if the front discs are bigger than 345mm in diameter, although I'm not aware of any Skodas that have front discs bigger than 345mm.

 

Goodyear EfficientGrip 2 SUV 235/65R17 108V XL

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Goodyear/EfficientGrip-2-SUV/235-65-R17-108V-XL/R-439488

 

Goodyear EfficientGrip 2 SUV 235/55R19 105V XL

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Goodyear/EfficientGrip-2-SUV/235-55-R19-105V-XL/R-439483

11 hours ago, Carlston said:

 

If you're still not happy on 235/55R19 tyres fitted to 8Jx19 ET45 rims, then higher profile tyres on narrow rims (such as 235/65R17 fitted to 6.5Jx17 ET38 rims from the Kodiaq) would massively improve the ride comfort.

 

235/65R17 is a much cheaper tyre size than 235/55R19.

 

17" rims won't clear the front brake calipers if the front discs are bigger than 345mm in diameter, although I'm not aware of any Skodas that have front discs bigger than 345mm.

 

Goodyear EfficientGrip 2 SUV 235/65R17 108V XL

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Goodyear/EfficientGrip-2-SUV/235-65-R17-108V-XL/R-439488

 

Goodyear EfficientGrip 2 SUV 235/55R19 105V XL

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Goodyear/EfficientGrip-2-SUV/235-55-R19-105V-XL/R-439483

Very good detailed advice.

Thanks !

Even better go for All Weather Tyres.

 

The following review compared 9 such tyres with what they described as one of the best & most comfortable summer tyres, which happened to be a Goodyear (Efficient Grip I think).  All the AW tyres except for the Michelin CrossClimate Plus were more comfortable and quieter than that summer one, but the top choice overall seems to be either the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen3, or the Bridgestone Weather Control, the latter was a bit more comfortable, but the Goodyear was better in snow but not quite so good in rain.  The Goodyears seem to wear well, but the Bridgestones may not.  However the Bridgestone has now been superceededed by the Bridgestone Weather Control evo.  I'm awaiting the 2021 version of this comparative review, to see how this new Bridgestone performs + there's a new version of the Michelin X-Climate due soon - I want to fit AW tyres to my Karoq, for better comfort as much as anything.

 

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2020-Tyre-Reviews-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

 

These reviews were done in a much lighter car & smaller wheel size -  fairly standard Golf, but hopefully the conclusions will apply to most cars.

58 minutes ago, croquemonsieur said:

Even better go for All Weather Tyres.

 

The following review compared 9 such tyres with what they described as one of the best & most comfortable summer tyres, which happened to be a Goodyear (Efficient Grip I think).  All the AW tyres except for the Michelin CrossClimate Plus were more comfortable and quieter than that summer one, but the top choice overall seems to be either the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen3, or the Bridgestone Weather Control, the latter was a bit more comfortable, but the Goodyear was better in snow but not quite so good in rain.  The Goodyears seem to wear well, but the Bridgestones may not.  However the Bridgestone has now been superceededed by the Bridgestone Weather Control evo.  I'm awaiting the 2021 version of this comparative review, to see how this new Bridgestone performs + there's a new version of the Michelin X-Climate due soon - I want to fit AW tyres to my Karoq, for better comfort as much as anything.

 

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2020-Tyre-Reviews-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

 

These reviews were done in a much lighter car & smaller wheel size -  fairly standard Golf, but hopefully the conclusions will apply to most cars.

 

These suggestions are all very good and demonstrate that when specifying cars, it is as important (more really) to identify tyre types as whether the alloy wheels are of a particular design etc.

Really treat buying replacement tyres for EV's differently, the cars are heavy and the suspension can be hard and the cars are quieter.

When driving cars like Niro's that come with 3 types of drivetrain or PSA ones then you know just how the suspension of the EV is different, and how the likes of the ECO tyres fitted really are not great on the EV, good for range by having pathetic grip / traction.

 

Great range from ECO / OEM tyres is not much use if you still need to charge more often because it is cold / winter & you can not get your cars in and out charger places in winter because the public chargers are not cleared of snow or under canopies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michelin Alpin 6,

so not something you might want to run all year but i will for the next 2 years, they are not wearing 10,000 miles since fitted.

 

 

Edited 20 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

PS.

I have Michelin CrossClimate SUV.s on my SWB Shogun Van.  265/60 R 18" instead or the the standard wider 285/55 R 18's

I made a big mistake actually fitting these, but they are on so will stay, they are OK in the wet but really not good enough on snow. 

 

If i was fitting 235 / 255 tyres (rears) to an EV it would not be CrossClimate + / SUV's that i would go with if going to be driving in snowy conditions or roads not getting well ploughed / gritted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

From what reviews say, the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons would have been better in your situation, but winters clearly better still.  Around London where we've had very little snow for several years, the Bridgstone Weather Control would probably suit me best as it's very good in the wet as well as comfy.

The issue can be that you know what you want and you want them when you need them but they are not available in the size you need.

I have fitted BF Goodrich All Terrains for many years to 4x4's and get the same kind of discount on them as with Michelins as they are the same company, but again the size needed was not available.

 

Those looking for big size All Weather tyres best start before it comes to when they might want them fitted. 

On 19/08/2021 at 05:52, Heike said:

 

However, hitting potholes or trenches still feels like I am hitting a brick wall to the extent that my passengers

express their reactions using the F word !

 

Am I alone with this  ? (is it a by-product of having a rigid chassis supporting batteries ?) or am I missing

something ?

 

Hope you can all help  !

 

The F word is the classic reaction by those who have have subsequently reported one or more transport blocks being left in the front suspension.

They can only usually be exposed by jacking up the front enough to allow the suspension to 'droop'.

Make sure you are present when the inspection is made and if they are discovered to be present suggest they owe you some recompense for your inconvenience, distress and potential safety issues from the poor handling. 

On 09/08/2021 at 18:24, Heike said:

Hi All;

 

Right. I took tyre pressure readings with my hand-held tyre pressure gauge and that indicated an over-inflation, but to be sure, today I used a calibrated air line at a "local" garage.

 

…… !

Don’t assume that any gauge is accurate. It may be consistent, but not absolutely “accurate”.

 

Not that it matters too much as consistency is all you need.

 

Once you discover what pressure on “your” pressure gauge works best for you then life is good.

@BoxerBoy  When paying 20 or 50 pence or £1 to a Multi National Company at their filling station they had better be accurate.

They are providing a service with the Air Compressors and people are trusting they are accurate.

They are checked and calibrated by the Forecourt Maintenance people.

 

?

Have you compared the pressure at a Pay to use Air Compressor with maybe your £12 digital or analogue pressure gauge and found the tyres showed a difference?

 

 

Edited 22 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

Solved !!!!
 

Update on my Enyaq’s hard ride issue.

 

Previously lowered the tyre pressures from the incorrect 2.7 bar (the pressures set on the car when it was collected from new at the dealer) to the 2.5 bar shown on the car sticker.

 

That improved the ride a bit but still not happy so I booked the car into the dealer so that the suspension could be checked.

 

Took it in today and was told that the “suspension settings” needed to be changed as the original settings were set to run at “hard”.

 

Once that had been done it was a different driving experience and I no longer feel like I am hitting a concrete block when meeting a pothole or trench !

 

An interesting comment was made about adjusting the ride quality between Sport, Comfort, Eco etc but on my Enyaq that facility isn’t available.

 

My guess is that on Enyaqs without ride quality selection, the ‘factory setting’ is probably Sport (the hardest setting) which might be fine for race tracks but doesn’t suit my local holy rural roads.

@Heike

Was that free gratis, just part of the After Sales & how long did that take?

 

That might become interesting as other owners / drivers ask at their dealership of choice if Skoda have issued a TPI on the suspension and a software update or is it a physical change.