Ok, I am an idiot...

Cheers Sarah. Expect a call in the next few days.

Ok' date=' I am an idiot...

Cheers Sarah. Expect a call in the next few days. [/quote']

No Tom

Not idiot :confused:

As they say on who wants to be a millionaire "Its only easy if you know"

Sarah

Hi

Yes the springs are the parts that do the work for the weight of the engine.

Dampers are the parts that are to do with dampening.

So these will fit all Fabia`s and will not be affected by the weight.

Hope this helps

Sarah

I would have thought that stronger springs would need a heavier damper.

I can't see the 1200 Fabia having the same damping propeties as the VRS:confused:

I would have thought that stronger springs would need a heavier damper.

I can't see the 1200 Fabia having the same damping propeties as the VRS:confused:

It wont.. because the vrs items are upgraded for the "sporty" drive

as long as the spring rates are correct, it should minimise the work the damper has to do. dampers have more of an effect on the overall "feel" of a car than the springs do.

I think that you could do with looking at ETKA on the suspension.

There are LOADS of springs to choose from.

But the shockers there are very few to choose from

Sarah

Hey, sorry to bring this thread up again, but I'm almost sold.

Almost.

Looking around it seems that the FSD's are made for OEM springs. Now, I'd like to get the Eibachs and lower the VRS that extra inch. But as there isn't a vRS specific FSD shock, I'd assume Koni set it up for the standard Fabia ride height, which is already dropped on vRS spings. Will it take that extra 25mm drop?

I mean, doesn't it work out at over a 40mm drop from a standard Furby? Which is quite a big drop from something that says it needs OEM height springs?

I've heard they're quite high pressure shocks anyway, and I don't want to spend on them and ruin them by overworking them (ie having them rather compressed before you even add cornering etc.), it'd make more sense to just get the Sport shocks and cope with the harshness?

Any help with this appreciated. Wish I just had the money to burn and try it out anyway.

I think that you could do with looking at ETKA on the suspension.

There are LOADS of springs to choose from.

But the shockers there are very few to choose from

Sarah

And this is why the standard Fabia vRS feels so hopelessly underdamped. If a set of dampers is made for a car with a light engine, fitting them to a heavier engined car with stronger springs will result in relative underdamping. The dampers have to manage body control and the forces acting in the heavier car will be higher. Good dampers are matched to spring rates, unsprung / sprung mass ratio and body mass (plus tyre sidewall in really good setups). So a damper that is designed to o in the 1.2 will not work at its optimum on the vRS. It may still be better than the standard item though.

Chris

The FSD dampers have had such great reviews that I think they will be LOADS better than the OEM ones.

Sarah

How much are these dampers + fitting????

The FSD dampers have had such great reviews that I think they will be LOADS better than the OEM ones.

Sarah

I'm still concerned that no-one has received a convincing answer as to whether these FSDs will work properly with lowered springs. A lot of members of this forum have lowered their Furbys, often with Eibachs. My undertanding is that to operate as Koni intended, the car needs the orginal springs to give an adequate amount of wheel travel. I suspect fitting FSDs to an Eibach-lowered vRS or even a vRS with standard springs (which are lowered against the rest of the Fabia range) may be a mistake...

Koni say their dampeners work the same at any compression (ie spring height) but that was before the FSD's came out and the actual term they use for the FSD's I believe is "Designed for use with your cars OEM springs" or such. Not "only for use with OEM springs".

Can anyone get an answer from Koni themselves on that? Then I'd be more happy to part with the cash really.

Koni themselfs say that you can lower the car by 30mm and still use the FSD dampers.

So this would mean that they are going to work with the Eibach springs as these are 30mm

You can use OEM or just the 30mm lowering springs.

Does this help?

Sarah

Koni themselfs say that you can lower the car by 30mm and still use the FSD dampers.

So this would mean that they are going to work with the Eibach springs as these are 30mm

You can use OEM or just the 30mm lowering springs.

Does this help?

Sarah

Thanx Sarah. Sounds like Koni need make their minds up!

Thanx Sarah. Sounds like Koni need make their minds up!

Yup I hear what your saying as on the web site it says it does not do the vRS and it does.

Within reason I understand as they did not know about the suspension set up with the Fabia vRS but they knew it was different for the Octavia they wanted to cover their backs.

But they could have waited a few days to ask the question. :confused:

We need someone to try it!!!!

Sarah

Koni themselfs say that you can lower the car by 30mm and still use the FSD dampers.

So this would mean that they are going to work with the Eibach springs as these are 30mm

You can use OEM or just the 30mm lowering springs.

Does this help?

Sarah

I thought the Eibachs were 25mm lower than the vRS springs which' date=' in turn, are 15mm lower than the normal Fabia springs?

25mm + 15mm = 40mm drop. Thats 10mm over what you just said Koni say is ok? [i'](assuming the dampeners were made for a normal Fabia - which they must be if they didn't have a vRS to check with, as you say)[/i]

So from your information, you can't use the FSD's with Eibach Fabia vRS springs?

I thought the Eibachs were 25mm lower than the vRS springs which' date=' in turn, are 15mm lower than the normal Fabia springs?

25mm + 15mm = 40mm drop. Thats 10mm over what you just said Koni say is ok? [i'](assuming the dampeners were made for a normal Fabia - which they must be if they didn't have a vRS to check with, as you say)[/i]

So from your information, you can't use the FSD's with Eibach Fabia vRS springs?

I was thinking the very same thing.

I'm bloody tempted to give them a go though! The std dampers are simply not good enough imho for use with Eibachs.

The Eibach springs will be fine with these FSD`s

I have had another chat with Koni in regards these they have agreed with the Eibach springs and the Koni FSD`s

The vRS will be ok with these springs.

Sarah

I'll let you go first then Tom let me know

Come on Mort

I made the call just for you

Koni and me say yes...........

Sarah

I'm still a little scared of the 40mm drop . We have some very bouncy roads around here, and I'd hate to bottom out the dampener by dropping 90% of the weight of the car on it after a hump if Koni are first saying not RS, then saying OEM springs, and then saying 30mm drop, and then saying 40's ok.

If I get a nod from Tom when he's tried them I'll be straight on the phone to you Sarah, no worries. (maybe you can initial my service book to say you changed the brake fluid back in the day )

Come on Mort

I made the call just for you

Koni and me say yes...........

Sarah

Hi Sarah

What do Koni say about the FSDs with standard vRS springs? This is the setup I will be looking at in a few more months (when the car goes out of SUK warranty).

Chris

Hi Sarah

What do Koni say about the FSDs with standard vRS springs? This is the setup I will be looking at in a few more months (when the car goes out of SUK warranty).

Chris

Should be ok with standard springs, as they're only 15mm from normal (non-vrs springs) It's how they're meant to work (OEM springs)

Should be ok with standard springs, as they're only 15mm from normal (non-vrs springs) It's how they're meant to work (OEM springs)

Hi

It is not the spring travel I am concerned about, but the extra mass that the vRS has over the front wheels. A small difference in spring travel wont cause problems, but the other thing to consider is spring rate. Higher rates need different damping to lower rates. Any idea which model these shocks are originally specified for?

Does anybody make uprated or adjustable shocks specifically for the vRS?

Chris

I'm still a little scared of the 40mm drop . We have some very bouncy roads around here' date=' and I'd hate to bottom out the dampener by dropping 90% of the weight of the car on it after a hump if Koni are first saying not RS, then saying OEM springs, and then saying 30mm drop, and then saying 40's ok.

If I get a nod from Tom when he's tried them I'll be straight on the phone to you Sarah, no worries. (maybe you can initial my service book to say you changed the brake fluid back in the day )[/quote']

Hi Mate

Yes of course I will inital that for you.

No problem

Sarah

Hi Sarah

What do Koni say about the FSDs with standard vRS springs? This is the setup I will be looking at in a few more months (when the car goes out of SUK warranty).

Chris

Hi Chris

Yes this will be fine.

All we need is for 1 to have it done then the rest will follow.

But you could be the first

Sarah