40 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Cite needed. I'm presently sat in a bay window overlooking a main route between a housing scheme and the local town centre, and in and out of Glasgow 3 days a week. I'm yet to see an EV (and few PHEVs) on taxi or private hire work.

 

LEDC has made over 5,500 electric range extended taxi but the city which has most is London but then London is about ten times the size of Glasgow. Looks Like Manchester will adopt as Taxi drivers can get £20k off the price and we have some in Birmingham I gather.

 

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/levcs-electric-tx-taxi-and-vn5-van-are-the-obvious-choice-for-drivers-in-manchester/

 

 

LEVC’s products include the world’s most advanced electric taxi, the TX – of which more 5,500 have been sold globally – and with the support of a Transport for Great Manchester Clean Air (TFGM) grant of £10,000 and Plug-in Taxi Grant (PITG) of £7,500, combined with an LEVC deposit contribution of £2,500, drivers and operators can save up to £20,000 off its price.

 

More 'Truths about electric cars' because there are plenty of the lower expense EV's out and about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Maxis vans were a bit more upbeat.....    (Beautiful photography too)

Below this video article in the motorcycle press of a lecky bike that did over 5,000 miles round whole of UK in 3 weeks and spent less than £20 on lecky !!

 

 

@lol-lol i have done over 20,000 miles in EV's for under £20 spent on electric, and 2 x £20 spent on CPS Cards. 

 

A pity the Highland Council are not brilliant for the General Public who are paying for the infrastructure.

Then to use Highland Council Chargers (paid for by everyone) it is 30 pence a kWh and max 45 minutes. 

No return in 30 minutes,

£1 a minute for overstay. 

Edited 27 November, 20214 yr by roottoot

42 minutes ago, roottoot said:

@lol-lol i have done over 20,000 miles in EV's for under £20 spent on electric, and 2 x £20 spent on CPS Cards. 

 

A pity the Highland Council are not brilliant for the General Public who are paying for the infrastructure.

Then to use Highland Council Chargers (paid for by everyone) it is 30 pence a kWh and max 45 minutes. 

No return in 30 minutes,

£1 a minute for overstay. 

 

 

& they (H.C.) hog the EV charging points in the public car parks with their white Nissan Leafs...quite a few around here get "abandoned" for days on end resulting in the public not being able to use the chargers. So basically DON'T count on being able to use the chargers if you're up this way....!!

@fabdavrav is that on 7kW chargers.  Where exactly?

 

I charge in Moray, Forres has overstay charges, so Elgin on 50 kW chargers and it is £3.90 to charge without time limit.  

But then the demand is high.

 

With Highland Region Nairn is ridiculous with getting on a 50kW charger.or any chargers.

Grantown on Spey pathetic as well.

 

 

@lol-lol

Scotland Outdoors this morning.  '30 pence a kWh in Fort William.'

Euan McIlwraith.  @ 30 minutes.

& @ 1 hour 2 minutes.

https://bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0b6pwj4

 

Edited 27 November, 20214 yr by roottoot

22 minutes ago, roottoot said:

@fabdavrav is that on 7kW chargers.  Where exactly?

 

I charge in Moray, Forres has overstay charges, so Elgin on 50 kW chargers and it is £3.90 to charge without time limit.  

But then the demand is high.

 

With Highland Region Nairn is ridiculous with getting on a 50kW charger.or any chargers.

Grantown on Spey pathetic as well.

 

 

@lol-lol

This morning on Scotland Outdoors this morning.  '30 pence a kWh in Fort William.'

Euan McIlwraith.  @ 30 minutes.

https://bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0b6pwj4

 

 

BTH the cost of electricity will go up as the cost to improve the grid to cope with the extra (at least double) demand as to be got from somewhere. Also as the Gov gets £££ from the yearly road tax, that will continue to see a rise.

 

So in a few years you could end up paying as much per mile for your road tax & electricity for an EV as you do for a petrol driven car today...

 

P.S. the charger is a 50kW on the "Courthouse Lane" carpark ..& I've seen the H.C. cars left there day after day...& looking at the comments it wasn't even a full electric & not plugged in!

 

 

 

Edited 27 November, 20214 yr by fabdavrav

I think everyone knows the price of electric will go up, as will charging electric vehicles.

 

It is still pretty cheap for business users to run EV's though compared to an ice. 

 Even those paying 45-69 pence a kWh on Public Chargers in Scotland which is why there are so many doing exactly that. 

 

The Nairn 50 kW Charger was not available for long enough because of the building work. 

Someone before me was £42 to charge because they never knew of the £1 a minute overstay charge.

There is not even a 10 minute amnesty. 

 

 

Edited 27 November, 20214 yr by roottoot

6 minutes ago, roottoot said:

I think everyone knows the price of electric will go up, as will charging electric vehicles.

 

It is still pretty cheap for business users to run EV's though compared to an ice. 

 Even those paying 45-69 pence a kWh on Public Chargers in Scotland which is why there are so many doing exactly that. 

 

The Nairn 50 kW Charger was not available for long enough because of the building work. 

Someone before me was £42 to charge because they never knew of the £1 a minute overstay charge.

There is not even a 10 minute amnesty. 

 

TBH many "work" cars could & should have been electric many years ago, or at least smaller more efficient ICE.....unfortunately so many like to show off with a big car/van/SUV/pickup.....

 

Many of the care/nurses/doctors etc up here were running big SUVs to get to peoples homes...In fact a Fiat Panda 4x4 on a set of winter tyres would have done the job just as well, as if its that bad the roads are closed or you need a JCB...or skis/sled/huskies!

 

Now many have got smaller cars & a few of the NHS owned cars are those small BMW EVs

Plenty NHS, Social Work, Council Employees all around Scotland prefer to take the Loans and mileage allowance and drive the nice ICE vehicles while their Employers have car parks full of EV,s that they choose not to use.  As to Highland region staff that are ignorant with using public chargers and vehicles then people just need to do what I do. I call the Convenor and email them and copy in every councilor and the local reporters.  That gets attention. Through in Edinburgh where taxis charge at a council location someone is puncturing tyres of council vehicles blocking chargers.  That now has the attention of those managing the Muppets.  

Ps. Those small BMW EV,s were leased or bought even when they had reached over £40,000 each.  They reached £46,000. BMW dropped the cost to the under £35,000 over night.   Pity there are so many around on totally  unsuitable tyres for where they need driven.    Plenty of them around Angus in council carparks  sitting going no place just as they did pre Covid.      PPS, postie's, home deliveries, etc get about in Highland regions if roads are open and plenty areas of Scotland need 4x4 responders when roads are not open.  As it is untrained winter drivers doing NHS work should not be out and about.  As it is Police Scotland still have unsuitable vehicles out and about in weather conditions that they should not be out in, as do the NHS and fire and rescue services.     I see that there are Police BMW 330,s now being replaced as they are a fire risk 3 years after the recalls started.  Not safe for high speed work like chasing people that got their BMW,s fixed or that they replaced.

Edited 27 November, 20214 yr by roottoot

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

Ps. Those small BMW EV,s were leased or bought even when they had reached over £40,000 each.  They reached £46,000. BMW dropped the cost to the under £35,000 over night.   Pity there are so many around on totally  unsuitable tyres for where they need driven.    Plenty of them around Angus in council carparks  sitting going no place just as they did pre Covid.      PPS, postie's, home deliveries, etc get about in Highland regions if roads are open and plenty areas of Scotland need 4x4 responders when roads are not open.  As it is untrained winter drivers doing NHS work should not be out and about.  As it is Police Scotland still have unsuitable vehicles out and about in weather conditions that they should not be out in, as do the NHS and fire and rescue services.     I see that there are Police BMW 330,s now being replaced as they are a fire risk 3 years after the recalls started.  Not safe for high speed work like chasing people that got their BMW,s fixed or that they replaced.

 

I wrote to the local MSP & others a few years ago & reminded them all that many other countries around the world mandate winter tyres to all vehicles (to varying specifications), at certain times of the year. I also stated that I had been running winter tyres for numerous winters & had the benefit of increased grip on black ice & the that the vehicles safety control systems eg the ABS/ESC operated more effectively because of this increased grip..ie the right tools/tyres for the job.

 

The reason for me writing was because two newish fire engines (14 plate) from Inverness had slid of a straight bit of road in Feb 2016 at Sunnyside near Culloden to black ice...both ending up in a field on their side...

 

Winter tyres load rated for those vehicles have been available for many years & are used in other countries.

 

Up there its obviously cheaper to replace two fire engines than swap onto winter tyres every year!....Total incompetence..

 

 

Black ice caused two fire engines to crash near Inverness - BBC News

 

PICTURES: Investigation after fire engines crash off Inverness road (pressandjournal.co.uk)

 

@fabdavrav# 'i remember it well'. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/445132-emergency-services-not-using-winterall-season-tyres

 

34 minutes ago, roottoot said:

@fabdavrav# 'i remember it well'. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/445132-emergency-services-not-using-winterall-season-tyres

 

 

 I forgot I wrote that thread....😄

 

Everything I said then still stands....

On 23/11/2021 at 09:10, wyx087 said:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-electric-vehicles-help-to-tackle-climate-change

 

It does highlight the biggest problem for EV's: poor the high speed efficiency. First-gen and badly built ones are mostly city runabouts. 

 

Even expensive 90+ kWh cars like Ford SUV mustang and Audi e-tron are pretty bad at this metric because they have such a large frontal surface area and poor drag coefficient. 

 

Efficiency is king. For EV to replace petrol, we need more aerodynamic cars, not bigger and bigger batteries. 

I just drove my Enyaq from Livingston to Milton Keynes. 360 miles 2 stops, Gretna where I needed the loo, and Leeds where I needed lunch. Total cost £18. Total mileage at 45p per mile was roughly £150. For me, electric had already replaced petrol. This is using the smaller battery enyaq not the one with the long range. 

@domhnallThanks for that. 

How much are you paying per kWh using Ionity chargers?   

Is it cheaper because of some scheme / plan you got with the Enyaq?

 

That sort of range will suit many.

Good that it was a start on a cold day.

They just need to understand that it might take longer to charge and cost a bit more because they will use more electricity when colder & with a full car.

Was that just you in the car & have you been doing trips with 3 or 4 people in the car yet?

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/499773-charge-range-reduction

 

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, domhnall said:

360 miles 2 stops

Lasting how long? I mean, for me a motorway toilet stop normally takes about 15 minutes from park car through visit toilet and shop to leaving car park.

@KenONeill  This is the Truth of things if you travel with passengers and some might be children.

Sitting in a car for 40 minutes every 150 miles or sooner or getting out the car while it charges and possibly spending more.

It can start to get expensive if it means buying food and drink where normally you would not.

 

*Lots of Chargers around Scotland have no toilets or other facilities near them if they are CPS chargers, and even Commercial Chargers are not at places where the toilets are going to be close or open.*

 

Last week with Grand Children in my car trying to get a charge near the Livingston was a total PITA.

I did not go to Harthill Services and pay to charge & pay for the munchies they would have wanted,

but i should of instead of wasting time at Whitburn and then Broxburn where the chargers were broken or occupied & where i wanted to go to a Fish & Chip Shop while charging.

 

I count in an extra hour travel time for every 150 miles and often this is not enough time actually.

£9 for every 135 miles is what it would cost me at the cheapest of chargers and that can go to £12 and even £17 if i want a quicker charge.

 

If i was using an Ionity Charger & paying 69 pence a kWh then 45 kWh would be £31. 

Getting 2.7 miles per kWh that would be for 121 miles. 

If i was to get 3.5 miles per kWh then 157 miles.         

(If i was getting Ionity charging @ 25 pence a kWh and doing 2.7 miles per kWh it would be £33.75 for 363 miles, which is OK by me. )

 

4 gallons of petrol @ £7 a gallon and getting 45 mpg takes you 180 miles.

Edited 2 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

2 hours ago, domhnall said:

I just drove my Enyaq from Livingston to Milton Keynes. 360 miles 2 stops, Gretna where I needed the loo, and Leeds where I needed lunch. Total cost £18. Total mileage at 45p per mile was roughly £150. For me, electric had already replaced petrol. This is using the smaller battery enyaq not the one with the long range. 

Is the video above related to this journey? Looks like it is.

 

I'm interested in how it cost only £18 while using ionity chargers. From what I can google, Skoda enyaq tarriffs are between 35p to 69p per kwhr depending on package chosen. Or is there some Octopus Go or freebie charge initially on this particular journey thats included?

 

How much did it cost to come back home?

 

@xmani got a reply from @domhnallon youtube.

Skoda powerpass.

Skoda / VW deal with Ionity.  so 25 pence a kWh.  

 

714 miles @ 3.3  kWh = 216 kWh used so @ 25 pence a kWh if paying that for all electricity that is £54 i think.

If the first charge is at a Domestic price per kWh or free CPS charge or workplace then that is less. 

 

714 miles getting maybe 50 mpg with a diesel and paying £7 a gallon is £99.96

But then you could travel a few miles less if not having to head to EV chargers. 

 

216 kWh @ 42 pence a kWh £90.72

216 kWh @ 69 pence a kWh £149.04

Edited 2 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

12 minutes ago, roottoot said:

Skoda powerpass.

Skoda / VW deal with Ionity.  so 25 pence a kWh.  

Powerpass is the Skoda offer, the VW WeCharge card is a much poorer deal. To get the best rate of 25p you have to pay a £9.99/m subscription. The free offer is 46p at Ionity - which is now looking not so shabby as other providers have increased their tariffs.

Sorry for going a little off topic...

 

216 kWh @ 46 pence a kWh £99.36.  

So no better than an economic ICE unless you are saving on Parking / Congestion / Low Emission Zones etc.

 

That 3.3 kWh is in an empty car other than a driver.   

The energy use in a loaded car in cold weather is what many need to know. 

 

.....................

Below is Real World for some.

Drive a Sporty car normally on your own, so just travelling and getting some free to the driver electricity

& then adding 85 miles takes 45 minutes and costs £12.97.

That was a cheap charge really on a not very quick charger.

It could have been quicker elsewhere and maybe 50% more expensive.

 

32 kW @ 40 pence a kWh = £12.80

Or it could be 32 kW @ 69 pence a kWh = £22.08  for 85 miles.

 

@10 minutes. 

then at 24 minutes.

 

 

Edited 2 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

11 hours ago, roottoot said:

@domhnallThanks for that. 

How much are you paying per kWh using Ionity chargers?   

Is it cheaper because of some scheme / plan you got with the Enyaq?

 

That sort of range will suit many.

Good that it was a start on a cold day.

They just need to understand that it might take longer to charge and cost a bit more because they will use more electricity when colder & with a full car.

Was that just you in the car & have you been doing trips with 3 or 4 people in the car yet?

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/499773-charge-range-reduction

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Skoda Power pass George, 25p per kWh.   No these have all been work trips so on my own. Did a fully loaded trip to Belfast and back with three of us and boot rammed - no apparent difference in the fuel economy

The Enyaq really is a brilliant bit of kit

9 hours ago, roottoot said:

@xmani got a reply from @domhnallon youtube.

Skoda powerpass.

Skoda / VW deal with Ionity.  so 25 pence a kWh.  

 

714 miles @ 3.3  kWh = 216 kWh used so @ 25 pence a kWh if paying that for all electricity that is £54 i think.

If the first charge is at a Domestic price per kWh or free CPS charge or workplace then that is less. 

 

714 miles getting maybe 50 mpg with a diesel and paying £7 a gallon is £99.96

But then you could travel a few miles less if not having to head to EV chargers. 

 

216 kWh @ 42 pence a kWh £90.72

216 kWh @ 69 pence a kWh £149.04

 

first charge at home was 5p per kWh and cost me £2.50  to get to 100%

When I was in Milton Keynes I charged up on ionity (£6.53)  and then on the way back at Wigan I used an MFG garage (£17.02) and then I did a longer top up than I needed to at Gretna as I was helping an older couple get a charge (they were trying to start Ionity with a Chargeplace Scotland card) so I just kept charging my car  and so it cost me £7.74. 

Next video now on line Wigan to Livingston